Curacao

[Dutchman]

If you are looking for a nice hotel for good price. Try The Sea Aquarium Resort, Bapor Kibra Z/N, Curacao An. (5999)-4656699 They have a special deal for limited time US$69.95 a night. The hotel is located in Sea Aquarium area. Next Mambo beach.

A rental car is a must.

Dutchman

[LuvBlkWomen]

Campo-Allegre

Was in Curacao in august and went to Campo-Allegre one night. Unbelievable, old army barracks transformed into a state licensed brothel. Great selection. Guys I was with said, better than Amsterdam action. Must admit, had to sample. One chica, Black sugar with long braids from Columbia. One of the guys I was with, had one of the girls meet him at the hotel the next day for midday pool and beach action, followed by bedroom debauchery before she had to go to work.

The world is so horny.

[Deep Sea Diver]

Jimmy:

I second Fantasy's advice. Previously, I have strongly advocated staying at the Sheraton or Marriott. If these exceed your budget, then the next level down (say 3 star) would include the Plaza Hotel downtown (on the nicer Punda side) and Holiday Beach (just outside of Otrabanda and, conveniently enough, across the street from La Havana). Both are in the $90-$100/night range (may be able to negotiate a better price or better room). Unfortunately, I can't comment from personal experience regarding hotels below that price point. Of the two, I would suggest Holiday Beach because it is on a beach, as its name implies, while the Plaza (high-rise hotel downtown) is on the water but lacks any beach area. However, if you prefer, Plaza is in the heart of downtown and, therefore, within walking distance of many restaurants and shops (all the better social night clubs, IMHO, are not within walking distance of downtown). You may want to read my earlier detailed posts to get a sense for the happening clubs/bars (i.e. Mambo Beach, Living Room, etc.).

Lastly, do yourself a huge favor and rent a small vehicle (can probably get a pretty good deal through Hotwire). I found out the hard way, during my first trip, that taxi fares can quickly exceed car rental rates if you do lots of exploring. Personally, I would rather spend the taxi fees and have the flexibility to come and go where and when I please. Be careful of wild animals scurrying about (goats, sheep, dogs, cats, etc.).

Hope this helps!

Fred

[Bifford]

Jimmy,

I didn't take a taxi, but for a 2-minute ride it couldn't be much. My guide book says a taxi charge from the airport to Willemstad, a much longer distance, is about $15. (By the way, there's a local bus into town that can be boarded across the street from the Hotel Holland: 75¢, takes about 1/2 hour.)

I would stay at the hotel again only if financially constrained. It's good for folks on a tight budget, those who prefer walking, and those who only want to visit Campo Alegre. Otherwise I think a resort hotel and rental car is the way to go, especially if you want to tour around the island or go to the beaches.

A website, of sorts, for the Hotel Holland is at http://www.dutch-caribbean.net/hotel...telholland.htm

Frommer's guide also has a short description: http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUrl-g...d-Curacao.html

While we're at it, here's the website for Campo Alegre: http://www.campo-alegre-resort.com/html/

Incidentally, girls are allowed out of Campo Alegre for overnights/sightseeing. The Hotel Holland had what looked like a standard list of rules on the wall, including one that didn't allow guests in the room. Even if this is enforced (which is dubious), there's only a $13 difference between the single and double room nightly charge.

[JimmyDR]

Duke,

Its not a joke that you have her address. I bet she meets you in the daytime for just the cost of a meal. These chicas need friends as well as everyone else. Nice description of the distance of the hotel to the airport and place. How much is a taxi? Would you stay at this hotel again?
Does that hotel have a website?

By the way, I speak Spanish sort of and I hang with many chicas in DR for the cost of a meal and all it took was a few phone calls between trips.

Thanks

[Bifford]

Notes from a 4 day trip to Curacao, September, 2002:

Hotel Holland - is run-down, tattered carpets, chipped paint, pool not well-maintained. $66/night single room rack rate, $58/night if 4-night stay. All rooms face the sea, but you also see the airport runway in front of it. The staff is very nice. The restaurant menu doesn't have 1/2 of what is printed. $8 for small breakfast with canned juice but good coffee, $15 for a grilled red snapper dinner entree. If you traveled only with a carry-on rolling bag, you can walk from airport, turn left onto Rooseveltweg and go for 15 minutes, slightly uphill grade, it's on your left. I made a reservation by phone, but place was only 30% full.

Campo Alegre - is a 15 minute slightly uphill walk from the Hotel Holland. Go out the front door and turn LEFT onto Rooseveltweg (in other words, continue walking away from the airport). On your left you'll pass a paved road entrance to a development, which then exits after you walk a bit further. You'll pass Hato Caves on your right, which is about 1/2 way there. The third paved road on your left (on the ocean side) leads to Campo Alegre. After you start climbing it you'll see a tall green coca-leaf sign with "Campo Alegre". The place has been modernized, with brightly-painted walls and palm trees. Very nice inside. Entrance is still US$3, no cameras, frisking possible. The grounds outside are dry and dusty, but inside the compound is very clean, and the girls' units are attractive and nicely maintained. I didn't realize it at first, but you are allowed to wander around the entire grounds looking for girls standing in or near their units--you don't have to sit at one of their several bars and wait. As for the names, "La Mirage" is the name of the bar inside, and "Campo Alegre" is the name of the entire compound.

The girls - the majority are black, many from Colombia and Dominican Republic. If you are seeking a white girl, don't despair, this place is big and there's something for everybody. I found a girl from Medallin, Columbia and absolutely fell in love with her. Light complexion, slender, friendly, 22 yrs old, actively tried to please me (massage, oral, the whole bit). We spoke only in basic Spanish, which was a big help in forming the relationship. After my 4th visit, she gave me her real name so I could write to her post office box address (I hear you laughing...oh well, a guy can dream, can't he?) Prices have not changed: $30 for everything, but girls want local currency (Netherlands Antilles guilders, or florin), so exchange your currency with the cashier at the entrance first.

The weather - too hot and very humid. It's fine after sunset, but daytime walking around sucks.

Hope this helps.

[Dutchman]

You definitely need a rental car to explore the island. There are some car rental shops just at your left hand side once you step out the arrive hall. Sheridon is a very nice hotel. Not sure if it is guest friendly or not. I don’t see any security in the lobby. If you still don’t want the front-desk clerk see you, you may enter the casino from the parking lot and walk through the casino ahead to the elevator. No mater of price, safety, facility, choice, etc Le Mirage is better than all other places.

Dutchman

Every female is a possible target. It is the way, how you communicate with her.

[BacknBlack]

Dutchman,

Fred Flintstone has given me a lot of good info. I was wondering if you could add anything to what he provided. My understanding the chicks in La Havana and La Tasca are rated 5-8's. The beers in these places are $3-$4. Whats the cover? The chicks will start off asking for $200 but like anywhere else you have negotiate their price down. What do you think is a good price for one of these chicks $100 or cheaper? What would this be in the local currency? Do you suggest anywhere else besides La Mirage, La Havana and La Tasca? I am going to stay in the Sheraton do you think I can get these chicks in there if not where can I bring them?

[Dutchman]

San Nicolas in Aruba is just a concentration of 10+ bars. If you want girls, you need to hop from one bar to other. Le Mirage in Curacao you will find more than 60 girls in one place. Besides of Le Mirage you have alot of bars/disco, La havana, Tasca, Rode Leeuw, crazy horse, etc etc etc

[BacknBlack]

Fred,

I thought Aruba was more for families and couples. The one thing that surprised me was the red light district in Aruba. I am going to go Curacao. Thanks for the info again.

backnblack

[Deep Sea Diver]

Back 'n' Black:

I have only traveled to Aruba with a stateside long-term girlfriend b4, so did not do the research. My understanding is that Aruba has a similar set-up to Campo Allegre/La Mirage, but on a smaller scale (don't know what it's called). Also, I think that the other pro options may be more limited than in Curacao. Aruba is a prettier island, particularly because it is less industrial--Curacao does quite a bit of oil refinery work for Venezuela which in certain areas very much detracts from the scenery. However, for general partying, IMHO, Curacao is far better than Aruba. The diving, if you're into that, is not nearly as good in Aruba. Aruba seems geared toward families and couples. It also has a fraction of the population of Curacao. Lastly, if you're just absolutely torn between the two, you could probably book a round-trip flight between the 2 and effectively divide your time (they are not very far apart). As I understand it, there are daily flights between them (maybe even a boat also).

Hope this helps answer at least the latter part of your question.

Enjoy!

Fred

[Deep Sea Diver]

Back 'n' Black:

AA from NYC with connection in Miami and then directly to Curacao. AA is also extra spacious throughout Coach so less need to upgrade. If you have some flexibility on departure and return, and are willing to surrender airline preference, you may want to use www.hotwire.com to get a great rate. Of course, you are not guaranteed AA (but 80%+ likelihood based on Orbitz's partner airlines and limited carriers going to Curacao from the States). Otherwise, I would recommend using www.orbitz.com.

Good luck!

Fred

[Deep Sea Diver]

LuvBlkWomen:

Your question seems to conflict with your WSG handle/moniker--LOL.

The two places with the most Dutch beauties have always seemed to be: 1) Mambo Beach and 2) The Living Room (in that order). I don't know about the "Jungle Fever" thing, but I do know these girls go to Curacao for partying purposes. As you also probably know, Europeans are much more sexually liberated than Americans. So, a one-night-stand (or 2 if she is special--LOL) is certainly a possibility. I have never gotten the sense that they racially discriminate in the men they talk with. However, there tend to be as many Dutch-boys as there are Dutch-girls and they often hang out with each other. In general, the Dutch girls are really nice and, assuming you are reasonably attractive, self-confident and not an asshole, are very approachable. If you have the game to go along with your looks, you should have little problem. Of course, you will most likely miss more than you hit, but it's a numbers game anyway right?

Fred

[Deep Sea Diver]

Back 'n' Black:

I think you will be pleased with either the Marriott or Sheraton. If you want to save a few bucks, you may want to do the Sheraton. Having stayed at both, I would save the dollars and stay at Sheraton. It is just slightly below the quality of Marriott, but will save you like $40+/night. However, I would not miss the Sunday brunch at Marriott--$20 for all you can eat including Champagne/Wine and lots of great food and such. It is literally next door to the Sheraton--200 yards away.

I believe that La Havana, across from Holiday Beach hotel, and La Tasca, in the sketchy Otrabanda side of downtown, both close at 4 AM (perhaps even 5 AM). I'm not sure how it works at La Tasca, but at La Havana the girls may not be able to leave until after closing. However, I did not take any girls out at either place--I simply had conversations with the girls about it. I also think that hitting Campo Allegre (a/k/a La Mirage) is a good idea as a last resort at the end of your evening.

The above mentioned strip clubs are just 2 (beyond Campo Allegre) of maybe as many as 10 total. There are others, having driven by a couple on the Otrabanda side, but I do not know there names. If you rent a car and survey the downtown area, I think you will inevitably run by them. I don't know if anything exists on the Punda side--this side seems to be the cleaner of the two and they are separated by a Pontoon bridge. There were also a couple outside of the center of downtown past the Punda side over the big bridge (you will cross this bridge many-a-time while down there). If you're familiar with NYC, it's almost like crossing from the nice parts of Manhattan (say up to 105th) to Harlem--it can get kind of sketchy. You may want to be alert when on the Otrabanda side late at night. There are people who will aggressively follow you around offering drugs and/or girls. I did not take any of those offers, but you may be more bold than I. The prices offered for girls ranged from $20-$50 and am not sure what time period that implied. I never saw anything happen to anyone down there at night, but that certainly does not mean crime is nonexistent. Curacao is seen by many Latinas as an economically robust island with much better economic opportunities than their respective hometowns.

La Havana, at least during the hours I have gone, has never charged me for entry. Beers are like $3/$4 US, and I have purchased drinks for the girls at the same price (highly diluted drinks as you can imagine). All of the girls there seem to be from the DR. In the times I have gone, there are usually like 10 girls who rotate dances. The quality is generally 5-8, with only one or two being an 8. La Tasca is similar statistically, perhaps with 2x as many women, and some diversity in ethnic origin (some from northern parts of S. American and from Central America). I have never "entered" either place after midnight, have never dealt with a bouncer at the door, and thus never paid an entry. It does seem that later in the eveing the door is manned, but I don't know if there is a fee or ID's are just being checked (probably a fee but can't be more than $5-$10). The girls hardly speak English, so hopefully you can speak some basic spanish. If not, perhaps you can polish up beforehand or bring a little dictionary. Of course, they do know basic sexual language. The island in general does speak English pretty well. You will need to negotiate I think to get them for $100 (again, never did this but have had conversations with the girls at both, in spanish, and have been told as much). They may start off at $200, but they usually expect $100 as a minimum and maybe even $150. I don't know if every girl will go out, as some hold themselves out as "good girls" who would never do such a thing, but I would expect that most (80% perhaps) will do so--they earn very little on premises. And, since all have been imported there and typically have some children back home, wherever home may be, they are motivated to maximize what they can send home.

Interestingly, Curacao has never struck me as a couples island. There are lots and lots of single people there from the Caribbean, South American, US, and Europe (mostly Denmark). Of course, there are couples there as well. Another word of advice--you may want to become real friendly with the Latina bartenders at your hotel--YMMV will vary with your age and looks. I have managed to hook up with a couple of them that way, non-paid, and have been introduced to their friends and such. I hooked up with this incredible Colombian girl, a friend of one of the bartenders, who was just an absolute firecracker. If you take these girls out, after hours or on their day off, and treat them well (buying drinks and such), you may be highly rewarded come bar/club closing time. Dancing also helps. As perspective, I am in my early 30s, a successful bachelor who dresses well, am physically fit/muscular, and have never really had a problem getting laid otherwise.

I think you will have an absolute blast--great weather, great women, friendly people, active nightlife scene, Campo Allegre as a first or last stop, great diving, etc. etc. Also, Curacao is below the hurricane belt, much like Aruba, and the weather is 80-90 degrees year-round (maybe even hotter in Summer) with little rain.

Fred

[BacknBlack]

Fred,

I am going to take your advice and stay at the Marriot or Sheraton. I figured if I didn't see anyone I liked at the clubs/bars I would hit Mirage late night especially Mon & Tues night. I did not realize there were strip clubs in Curacao. The two you mentioned La Havana and La Tasca what time do they close? Are the women Latino? I really like latino women. What are the prices like to get in, buy a drink and hang out. I know you said you can get an all-nighter for a $100 afer the places close. Curacao sounds like a fun time. I am surprised I never really heard anything about it. I figured it was mostly a couples spot like most of the Carribean. I will probably go sometime in the fall. Thanks for all the info.

backnblack