Curacao

[StRobert]

I am hearing that it is anybody can confirm?

There is no information about the opening of Campo in the local newspaper "Curacao Chronicle" link https://www.curacaochronicle.com/sea...=1&query=campo+alegre.

[Cursnoop]

I am hearing that it is anybody can confirm?

No its not. Wondering who be telling you that. There are some former campo alegre girls working on their own on the island. Rumors is that they will be open in November 2024. But nothing seems like that till now.

[JustWatching69]

My roaddog, who I frequent bb with says one of his regulars from bb says she left bb and is working again at campo.

Sent email to a Columbian lady who used to be there. She said, " No aand no". Or.

No not yet.

Why do you think it is open or soon ope? What did you hear?

[Beyes]

I am hearing that it is anybody can confirm?

Sent email to a Columbian lady who used to be there. She said, " No aúand no". Or.

No not yet.

Why do you think it is open or soon ope? What did you hear?

[JustWatching69]

I am hearing that it is anybody can confirm?

[World Travel 69]

There are other places on the Island. You have to do a little work to find them.

Plus the sailing is great.

What are the odds of Campo Algres coming back? Without Campo, no reason to visit the island.

[Mose]

What are the odds of Campo Algres coming back? Without Campo, no reason to visit the island.

[Surfer500]

So I've searched this forum trying to find information regarding the street scene on Bargestraat and another poster said there were Colombian and Dominican walkers out in the evening but they didn't partake.

Has anyone on this board gone with any of the walkers there, and perhaps can provide some information, such as the going rates, or at least a range of prices quoted, along with whether there are short time hotels available nearby and the going rates.

Any information would be helpful, and I'm going to speculate that since the closing of CAMPO there has probably been an increase of activity there.

Thanks.

[Mose]

With Campo closed why visit the island. I like to scuba dive and some great restaurants but Campo was the highlight, felt safe there, much eye candy to choose from at a good price.

[StRobert]

Link https://www.curacaochronicle.com/pos...alegre-really/ "Campo Alegre, Really?

OPINION.

By Quincy Girigorie Sept. 27,2023.

With amazement, I learned yesterday about the initial information regarding the purchase of the Campo Alegre brothel (or at least the properties) by the Pisas II Cabinet. The first thing that came to mind was, "This can't be true," and "How foolish can one be?" After the Prime Minister's statements, it turned out to be true. The government bought the properties as a "strategic investment" and would decide what to do with them in about 3 months.

It is a well-known fact that Pisas promised during the election campaign that MFK would reopen the Campo Alegre brothel, but it couldn't be that simple, could it?

Not with 8 million guilders of public funds on the same day that water, electricity, and gasoline prices increased? While the government was negotiating a 1. 2 billion guilders loan in connection with the ENNIA debacle? Not just weeks after only 1 million guilders could be allocated to provide 30 schools with air conditioning units to alleviate the unbearable heat in which our children and teachers could no longer attend classes?

So, I awaited the "intellectual explanation" in which a plausible argument would be provided to justify this political stunt, because surely, that must follow? This couldn't just be acceptable as is, could it? There was no plausible explanation. I was unpleasantly surprised. What followed was a meaningless press release and the well-known Facebook statements by Silvania, one crazier than the other.

For those interested, I will briefly explain why none of the explanations make sense.

In short, the explanation amounted to the following:

The government purchased strategic real estate with significant development potential, without a clear purpose, at a good price, with the intention of determining its use in three months, but also to ensure that ANG 8 million would flow into the Crime Fund so that cars, weapons, and uniforms can be purchased for the Justice system, which urgently needs them. Or as the Minister of Justice announced on his Facebook page: "Boom, 8 million in the Crime Fund.

Questions and Answers Regarding the Campo Alegre Purchase.

1 Did the government have to buy Campo Alegre so that the Justice department could get money to buy cars, weapons, and uniforms? No. Real estate is purchased by the government using funds from the capital service of the budget. This is designated for (sustainable) investments and projects. Every ministry (including Justice), every service (including KPC), buys weapons, cars, and uniforms through the capital service, not through the Crime Fund. The Crime Fund is only used for those purposes when there is no money available in the capital service.

The fact that there were funds available in the capital service is evident, especially from the purchase of Campo Alegre! If there was 8 million guilders available to buy Campo, why couldn't that money be used directly to purchase cars, weapons, and uniforms for Justice? Why divert money into the Crime Fund through the purchase of Campo Alegre?

2 Was it necessary for the government to buy Campo so that the funds would go into the Crime Fund? Absolutely not! Campo Alegre was under seizure by the Public Prosecutor's Office (OM). The sale proceeds would automatically go into the Crime Fund regardless of who bought it. The seizure was made in the context of a criminal confiscation case. The intention is that third parties pay the money so that criminal proceeds are confiscated from the convicted individuals, and their criminal funds are used to bring about positive development in the community (Not government funds).

So, once again, regardless of which buyer purchased Campo, the money would go into the Crime Fund.

Furthermore, I am convinced that the purchase of Campo is counterproductive for the economy. By buying Campo, the government is actually preventing any (local or foreign) investor from bringing "new money" into the local economy because government funds that were already budgeted to be spent are now being used to hinder "fresh investment" in the local economy. By spending the same money twice (buying Campo and materials for Justice), the government creates the illusion that the local economy is growing when, in fact, their actions are working against it.

3 Was the purchase so strategic?

I remember during the discussion of the "transfer of lands to the US Consulate," the Minister of VVRP explained that he needed money to develop Landhuis Zuurzak (the former residence of the Gezaghebber). Like many government buildings, it was in disrepair, and a small amount would be sufficient to make it usable and profitable as "public property" again. To date, this has not happened.

Just like Landhuis Zuurzak, you have the City Hall (Courthouse Building), the Old BC Building, and dozens of other government-owned properties that need a "small investment" to significantly reduce government rental costs. However, this was not "strategic" enough for this government. No, buying a parcel of land for 8 million guilders without a "known" purpose was.

All in all, it quickly became clear that the Pisas Cabinet has simply used public funds to fulfill a campaign promise. After "tinted windows," no COHO, and the Soto Stadium, it's now time for the reopening of Campo Alegre. Next, we await the (actual) reopening of the Refinery, a "wip room" for SDKK, and "Plan be" (no more borrowing from the Netherlands).

Whether the Curaçaoan community has actually made any progress with these promises is questionable at best. Note that not even the central and relevant question of whether the government wants a prostitution center at Campo Alegre could be clearly answered by the Prime Minister. Perhaps that had something to do with the prayer meeting the night before.

Campo Alegre, Really?? ".

[Adventurer9]

Just thought I'd give an update of sorts did not partake but there were at least 20 or 30 ladies offering mostly not my type. Where I did see a few that were they had 2 guys for each one watching us hobbiers no doubt casing us. Prob best to drive through and chat one up into taking a ride. My. 02 cents.

[StRobert]

So you're sayin' there's a chance.

"Curaao government purchases Campo Alegre Outdoor Brothel in auction".

LOCAL.

By Correspondent Sept. 26,2023.

WILLEMSTAD. The government led by Prime Minister Pisas has acquired the well-known outdoor brothel Campo Alegre. In the auction held this morning, eight million guilders were sufficient to become the owner. Pisas himself was present at the auction and was authorized by the Ministry of Finance to go up to eleven million. The money will be deposited in the Crime Fund.

Although the auction had been scheduled to take place earlier, it was postponed twice because the Public Prosecutor's Office could not find bona fide buyers.

The brothel had an asking price of 8. 9 million guilders, and potential buyers had to provide a bank guarantee of 5 million guilders.

One of the complicating factors is a legal case dating back to 2013. At that time, the Court of Appeals ruled that the company Wilshire Advisors Ltd, which owned Campo Alegre, owed the government of Curaao fourteen million guilders in an expropriation case. The Court found that Wilshire had purchased Campo Alegre, among other things, with drug money and through money laundering.

Since Wilshire did not fulfill its payment obligations to the Curaao government, there have been various attempts by the government and the judiciary to auction Campo Alegre since 2014. The proceeds from the auction would cover Wilshire's debt to the government.

The new purpose of the outdoor brothel has not been officially announced yet. Pisas maintains that the government has not purchased a brothel but a resort with buildings. However, Prime Minister Pisas's party, MFK, has never kept it a secret that it intends to restore the brothel to its former function.

https://www.curacaochronicle.com/pos...el-in-auction/

Bravo! My opinion and hope is that Campo will come back and be open again. But I'm not an expert and I don't live in Curacao. There will certainly be opposition from local puritans.

[Sailor501]

So you're sayin' there's a chance.

"Curaao government purchases Campo Alegre Outdoor Brothel in auction".

LOCAL.

By Correspondent Sept. 26,2023.

WILLEMSTAD. The government led by Prime Minister Pisas has acquired the well-known outdoor brothel Campo Alegre. In the auction held this morning, eight million guilders were sufficient to become the owner. Pisas himself was present at the auction and was authorized by the Ministry of Finance to go up to eleven million. The money will be deposited in the Crime Fund.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA&t=32s

[Jjfendel]

So you're sayin' there's a chance.

"Curaçao government purchases Campo Alegre Outdoor Brothel in auction".

LOCAL.

By Correspondent Sept. 26,2023.

WILLEMSTAD. The government led by Prime Minister Pisas has acquired the well-known outdoor brothel Campo Alegre. In the auction held this morning, eight million guilders were sufficient to become the owner. Pisas himself was present at the auction and was authorized by the Ministry of Finance to go up to eleven million. The money will be deposited in the Crime Fund.

Although the auction had been scheduled to take place earlier, it was postponed twice because the Public Prosecutor's Office could not find bona fide buyers.

The brothel had an asking price of 8. 9 million guilders, and potential buyers had to provide a bank guarantee of 5 million guilders.

One of the complicating factors is a legal case dating back to 2013. At that time, the Court of Appeals ruled that the company Wilshire Advisors Ltd, which owned Campo Alegre, owed the government of Curaçao fourteen million guilders in an expropriation case. The Court found that Wilshire had purchased Campo Alegre, among other things, with drug money and through money laundering.

Since Wilshire did not fulfill its payment obligations to the Curaçao government, there have been various attempts by the government and the judiciary to auction Campo Alegre since 2014. The proceeds from the auction would cover Wilshire's debt to the government.

The new purpose of the outdoor brothel has not been officially announced yet. Pisas maintains that the government has not purchased a brothel but a resort with buildings. However, Prime Minister Pisas's party, MFK, has never kept it a secret that it intends to restore the brothel to its former function.

https://www.curacaochronicle.com/pos...el-in-auction/

[StRobert]

Link from "Curacao Chronicle" https://www.curacaochronicle.com/pos...ed-on-tuesday/.

Campo Alegre to be auctioned on Tuesday.

LOCAL.

By Correspondent Sept. 22,2023.

WILLEMSTAD. It now seems that the well-known open-air brothel Campo Alegre in Curaçao is finally going up for auction. Although the auction had been scheduled earlier, it was postponed twice because the Public Prosecution Service could not find bona fide buyers. The auction is now scheduled for next Tuesday, September 26th.

Originally, Campo Alegre was supposed to be auctioned on September 6th of last year, but this auction was postponed by the Public Prosecution Service, which did not provide any reasons for the delay. The brothel had an asking price of 8. 9 million guilders, and potential buyers had to provide a bank guarantee of 5 million guilders.

One of the complicating factors is a legal case dating back to 2013. At that time, the Court of Appeals ruled that the company Wilshire Advisors Ltd, which owned Campo Alegre, owed the government of Curaçao 14 million guilders in a case of expropriation. The Court found that Wilshire, among other things, had purchased Campo Alegre with drug money and through money laundering.

Since Wilshire did not meet its payment obligations to the Curaçao government, there have been various attempts by the government and the judiciary to auction Campo Alegre since 2014. The proceeds from the auction would cover Wilshire's debt to the government.

However, a planned auction last year encountered another problem: Campo Alegre had been seized by Mr. Be. Verhage, a former shareholder of Wilshire. This meant that the proceeds from the auction would not go to the government.

From an investigation conducted by the Curaçao government and the Public Prosecution Service, it was determined that the seizure imposed by Verhage was illegal. Consequently, a decision was made to initiate legal proceedings against Verhage to lift the seizure. However, this did not proceed as Verhage himself had already requested the seizure to be lifted. Now that the seizure has been lifted, the auction can proceed.

The auction, supervised by the Public Prosecution Service, will take place at the Renaissance Wind Creek Hotel on September 26,2023, at 10:00 AM. The complex is owned by the British Virgin Islands-based company Wilshire Advisors Ltd.

Resort.

Campo Alegre is described as a resort with both small and large hotel rooms, totaling 156 rooms. In addition, there are various warehouses, offices, a fitness center, a restaurant, two outdoor bars, and a swimming pool. Both within and outside the Campo Alegre premises, there are 645 parking spaces.

Minister of Justice, Shalten Hato, previously stated that prostitution is not prohibited in Curaçao, except for street prostitution and facilitating prostitution in certain hotels. Therefore, the buyer of the Campo Alegre building could open a prostitution center there.

However, those looking to restart the prostitution business within Campo Alegre must consider the 'import' of prostitutes and the necessary permits.