Santa Cruz de la Sierra

[World Travel 69]

Here is an update.

It looks like a lot of places are closed.

Let us know which ones?

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?h...989498726&z=13

Do you have names for these places?

The addresses are not coming up on the Map.

[Rover2]

Better late then never I guess. Thought I'd come back around and put one up since this forum isn't as active. Was only there for 2/3 days as a stop over location so don't have a vast amount of details.

Non-mongering related but worth mentioning. City felt surprisingly safe, walked around a lot without a problem even in areas that were probably inadvisable to walk around in.

Massage parlors are my scene so I went around and hit up a few of those. The prices are a bit steep compared to other Latin American venues so was a bit surprised, market rate seems to be $50 for 30 min. But you can certainly monger in this city without a problem.

Clubs:

Club Paradise: Really nice place got a pool area outside and more of a general club area inside. There are waiters / management who speaks English (nice people). Tons of girls maybe a 10:1 girls to patrons ration. Almost so many girls to an uncomfortable degree, I went there my first night just to scope it out and get a feel but started feeling bad just drinking my beer with so many girls wanting attention.

Luxos club: Closed seems to only be closed temporarily they had a security guy outside watching the place. Went there on a weekend night and he said they were closed.

Thanks for the report Highfive. So what were the prices in Club Paradise?

[HiFive1234]

Better late then never I guess. Thought I'd come back around and put one up since this forum isn't as active. Was only there for 2/3 days as a stop over location so don't have a vast amount of details.

Non-mongering related but worth mentioning. City felt surprisingly safe, walked around a lot without a problem even in areas that were probably inadvisable to walk around in.

Massage parlors are my scene so I went around and hit up a few of those. The prices are a bit steep compared to other Latin American venues so was a bit surprised, market rate seems to be $50 for 30 min. But you can certainly monger in this city without a problem.

Clubs:

Club Paradise: Really nice place got a pool area outside and more of a general club area inside. There are waiters / management who speaks English (nice people). Tons of girls maybe a 10:1 girls to patrons ration. Almost so many girls to an uncomfortable degree, I went there my first night just to scope it out and get a feel but started feeling bad just drinking my beer with so many girls wanting attention.

Luxos club: Closed seems to only be closed temporarily they had a security guy outside watching the place. Went there on a weekend night and he said they were closed.

Club 2515: This caters much more to locals and you can tell. Even those I'm a gringo and they could tell I was treated fairly. The girls here are a bit of lesser quality but they are a bit more outgoing and willing to do more for there drinks so to speak. If your looking for high quality you can probably skip but if your curious I'd give it a go.

[Latin Bound]

Dear colleagues,

I am contemplating exploring the Ayahuasca thing. As I understand, it would be better to do it in some reputable, safe, and not-too-touristy place (I do wish for it to be somewhat authentic). Would you kindly share your experiences and guidance?

I'm wondering why Bolivia? As for me, I was disappointed with ayahuasca. I have had better results with Bufo. ID you are in the US, I could point you to a couple of places in Mexico. I live in a border town, and that is the path I take. Drop me a PM if interested.

[YounGun3393]

Hey y'all,

I'm visiting Santa Cruz in a few months and was wondering if there were any suggestions or places to go. I know COVID changed a lot but was wondering if anyone has any places that are available today.

[FRobertson]

Dear colleagues,

I am contemplating exploring the Ayahuasca thing. As I understand, it would be better to do it in some reputable, safe, and not-too-touristy place (I do wish for it to be somewhat authentic). Would you kindly share your experiences and guidance?

[Jwsw911]

Been in Bolivia since 2019 and if you are paying more than 350 BS for an hour you are scamming yourself. You can get better service in better places with a wide choice of women to choose from who are great looking.

[NRandom940]

I'm about to fly to Santa Cruz today from La Paz. It seems promising on Skokka. I found two spas. I'll hit one of them up. I'm only in Santa Cruz for one day before going to Sucre.

The spa is 450 BS ( 64 usd). 250 BS for the massage and 200 BS for sex. I don't care about the massage, but I think it's required. There were lots of other good ads too.

Wow. Better than I could have hoped for. A spa with 8 girls to choose from. Had a 3 some. It would have cost 800 BS (119 usd), but I tipped them both so it was 1000 BS (149). I know the prices aren't amazing, but the service was. Hard to complain.

[NRandom940]

I'm about to fly to Santa Cruz today from La Paz. It seems promising on Skokka. I found two spas. I'll hit one of them up. I'm only in Santa Cruz for one day before going to Sucre.

The spa is 450 BS ( 64 usd). 250 BS for the massage and 200 BS for sex. I don't care about the massage, but I think it's required. There were lots of other good ads too.

[World Travel 69]

Do you have names for these places?

The addresses are not coming up on the Map.

Stopped by very recently. About 5 chicas in lineup with best of them 4/10. In the past there was usually at least 1 5/10 or 6/10 in the lineup. This place has heavy advertising on social media and papers which may be why it stays in business. Too many better options out there but it doesn't hurt to stop by an have a look. Nobody there gets offended if you pass and just leave. Just say thanks and that you'll return another day.

Don't expect to find top shelf in any of these places. Usually best case is 6/10 and once in a while you might find a 7. 5/10 showing up regular at one of these places. BJ is 250-350 BS and FS is 400-500 BS in all of these joints unless you find a really trash place.

You can get top shelf (independents) for not too much more or even about the same $70-$100 USD but takes some work. Find one you like and that you click with and she can find more for you.

The places like 2040 Chuchillo are strictly for convenience and not much more to offer than that. Well. A real professional level massage is actually thrown in there with everything else if you want. There is that.

[JohnJabber]

Stopped by very recently. About 5 chicas in lineup with best of them 4/10. In the past there was usually at least 1 5/10 or 6/10 in the lineup. This place has heavy advertising on social media and papers which may be why it stays in business. Too many better options out there but it doesn't hurt to stop by an have a look. Nobody there gets offended if you pass and just leave. Just say thanks and that you'll return another day.

Don't expect to find top shelf in any of these places. Usually best case is 6/10 and once in a while you might find a 7. 5/10 showing up regular at one of these places. BJ is 250-350 BS and FS is 400-500 BS in all of these joints unless you find a really trash place.

You can get top shelf (independents) for not too much more or even about the same $70-$100 USD but takes some work. Find one you like and that you click with and she can find more for you.

The places like 2040 Chuchillo are strictly for convenience and not much more to offer than that. Well. A real professional level massage is actually thrown in there with everything else if you want. There is that.

[JohnJabber]

FWIW this in all likelyhood was not the mamacita. The girls in these joints (the more "senior" ones anyway) rotate the job of answering the door and handling the line up and sometimes the cash. Usually everything you lay eyes on is on the menu. If the real mamacita was around you would have at most caught a glimpse of her through a door. The place on chuchio has a dude hanging around from time to time. Ironing his clothes and shit like that. Which is rare in these places. It doesn't keep me away, but for some reason I've filed it away as info that might be important. For the guy asking about exchange rate 6. 9 might be close to what you get on the street, but the girls in these places are only going to give you 6. 8. No big deal to us I know cause its just pennies. They only ***** about dollars when you need change and they don't have it though. For example if you owe 350 BS and pay with a 100 USD they might ***** about having to come up with 330 BS cash. Sometimes if its early they just won't have the BS and they have to go outside somewhere to change your benjamin while you wait. So its best to let them know you have USD only up front if that is the case. Benjamins are by far the prefered denomination. Others are frowned upon or even just not accepted. Forget about using 1's or 5's in combination with BS for example.

I've been away from this group for a while and just realized that I did not post anything about my visit. The information regarding pricing may be a little out of date, but here goes.

. . . I met the mamacita, an attractive woman in her mid- to late twenties wearing a tight blouse and cut off jeans.

[JohnJabber]

1500 BS for 2 girls for 2 hours full service is a decent deal for the place on Cuchillo.

1000 BS for 1 girl for 1 hour full service is at least twice "normal" rate. Add the 250 propina and that was waaay overcompensated. I've had 2 top shelf chicas together for that (admittedly took some negotiating). The girls on Cuchillo are OK but not top shelf by any means. Enthusiastic and just OK on they eyes, but not stunners by any stretch.

Similar place on Rio Quimore has better talent (on average day) and better pricing. 300 BS per "chica hour" for "besotherapia" (oral) would be normal as an example.

Interestingly the girls manage time in these places more with skill than clock watching and do a pretty good job of it.

Just info. Hope no one gets offended. Reality check on pricing is always a good thing. Hope someone keeps me from overpaying when I in unknown waters.

[Rover2]

I've been away from this group for a while and just realized that I did not post anything about my visit. The information regarding pricing may be a little out of date, but here goes.

Walked up to the gate, rang the buzzer. "Yo quiero masaje. Tienes masajistas?" I was buzzed in. I met the mamacita, an attractive woman in her mid- to late twenties wearing a tight blouse and cut off jeans. I explained (in American high school sophomore Spanish) that it is my first time in Bolivia, first time in Sta. Cruz, and first time at Pamelita's. That brought a smile. I was offered a line-up of six girls, but when I asked if the mamacita was available she smiled and said yes! She led me upstairs, I took a shower and we both undressed. We exchanged massages, first me then her. Rubbing her pussy seemed to get her excited and a little noisy. We finished with a very satisfactory BBBJ, CIM. After that we talked, or tried to, for a bit and then I was ready to leave. Damage was BS 1000 plus propina Bs250 for the Spanish lesson.

Sorry for late post.

Richard.

So if my math is right a 6.9 be to the dollar $ 1,250 be = $181 USD?

[RBoone]

Pamelita Masajes VIP is fucking awesome. I negotiated BS 1500 for two chicas for two hours with the option to choose one for BBFS. Ask for the youngest one, she is age 22. I don't want to mention her publicly by name, but want to recommend her. My visit was last week.

Everything is on the menu. I asked about off site dates, but didn't actually do that. The same BS 1500 can get you an overnight if you care to negotiate it.

I've been away from this group for a while and just realized that I did not post anything about my visit. The information regarding pricing may be a little out of date, but here goes.

Walked up to the gate, rang the buzzer. "Yo quiero masaje. Tienes masajistas?" I was buzzed in. I met the mamacita, an attractive woman in her mid- to late twenties wearing a tight blouse and cut off jeans. I explained (in American high school sophomore Spanish) that it is my first time in Bolivia, first time in Sta. Cruz, and first time at Pamelita's. That brought a smile. I was offered a line-up of six girls, but when I asked if the mamacita was available she smiled and said yes! She led me upstairs, I took a shower and we both undressed. We exchanged massages, first me then her. Rubbing her pussy seemed to get her excited and a little noisy. We finished with a very satisfactory BBBJ, CIM. After that we talked, or tried to, for a bit and then I was ready to leave. Damage was BS 1000 plus propina Bs250 for the Spanish lesson.

Sorry for late post.

Richard.