Sao Paulo Reports

[Balboa]

Cmon, Balboa, if you, Alex, and me were sitting at a table together at Scandallo and a "Tier 1" walked by per Alex's Tier 1 standards, its going to be a 98% chance we all going to agree. LOL but I get ya' point. Tier 1 is the whole package GFE + Looks for me.

Shaun we've all been there. Many times.

A buddy says, damn look at that girl! She's a 10! (Tier1).

And you say, where?

He says, her! And points to a girl.

And you think uh huh, she's a maybe Tier2/3 LOL.

Whatever though, I'm just kidding around.

I do my own rating and negotiating system and it's not really analytical.

I'm in SP now.

Hit Casaro last night. I saw 3 girls that I liked and wanted to meet.

The first one I approached was too cold and too pro. Gong sounded in my head, lol, I rejected her silently and left her.

The other 2 were both great!

Very good looking imo, very cool, sweet, affectionate.

We talked a bit and went and had fun together, individually.

No formulas or equations.

Whatever works for each guy is great.

I'm fortunate to be able to speak pretty good portuguese, I'm good at dando papo, and reading a girl.

If she thinks I'm cool and feels comfortable with me, she'll give me a reasonable amount when I ask about it.

If she gives me a ridiculous price, I don't even want to counter, I just politely leave her.

Both girls last night offered me a perfect price, and I said vamos!

That's just me though.

To each their own, I'm cool with that.

I hit a couple trash buildings today, and among the many not so good looking girls, I found a 19 year old diamond imo, and I took her to a motel around the corner.
Great time.

Back to Casarao tonite
Scandalo probably tomorrow to feel the nicer ambiance, and see what happens.
I’ll go in tranquilo, after meeting up with the 19 year old sweety again beforehand.

Fique de boa!

[RealShaun]

Cmon, Balboa, if you, Alex, and me were sitting at a table together at Scandallo and a "Tier 1" walked by per Alex's Tier 1 standards, its going to be a 98% chance we all going to agree. LOL but I get ya' point. Tier 1 is the whole package GFE + Looks for me.

Who classifies each girl as Tier 1 or Tier 2?

One guy's Tier 1 may not be another's.

What if a girl believes she is Tier 1 but to you she's not, however, she starts out at Tier 1 pricing?
Do you tell her, amor, me perdoe, mas voce no e de Tier 1 lol

[Axel Heyst]

A true 8. 5-10 in Colombia. LOL.
Are you the official judge of who gets that rating?
A true 8. 5-10 anywhere is in the eye of the beholder. Not what you may believe is a 9 or a 10.
Isn't this just common sense?
A young, skinny, teen looking girl may be someone's 9 or 10, though you may rate her as a Bello nada.
An Instagram model with big fake boobs and fake booty with lots of pretty makeup that may charge 3 million pesos may be someone's 10, but to others, not so much.

Who classifies each girl as Tier 1 or Tier 2?

One guy's Tier 1 may not be another's.

What if a girl believes she is Tier 1 but to you she's not, however, she starts out at Tier 1 pricing?
Do you tell her, amor, me perdoe, mas voce no e de Tier 1 lol

Of course you are right, every single punter has his own idea of what is hot and what is not so hot and I am quite sure that my preference for slender, natural, not too much makeup, kind of pretty girl is not what some others are looking for.

I use the Tier 1,2,3,4 terminology because I think it is more descriptive and less subjective than the more familiar 1 thru 10 star descriptions. Here is an example of what I mean: a BM goes to a popular boate like Bomboa and has a great time. Then he posts a report about his experience and states that the bar was filled with 9's and 10's. Other than getting the point that the BM had a real good time, I find not much informative value in such a description because personally I have only seen 1 or 2 8's in Bomboa in the last 3. 5 years and zero 9's. Same same for a high end place like Scandallo. On a good night I see a lot of plus 7's I. E. Very attractive girls, but very few real 8's and no 9's or 10's. Yes, I am a tough grader. I have been punting for a long time and it takes a high level of looks to blow me away. Meanwhile some other guys are star inflaters although I am sure they believe what they are posting.

I have explained my tier evaluation system a few times on this forum. Basically, a Tier 1, IMHO, is a natural stunner or model quality girl whose outstanding good looks grab my attention the moment I see her. In a split second I know what I am viewing because the girl stands out way above the crowd. This would correspond to a 7. 5* and up type girl in the star system and IMHO I believe that Scandallo has the largest quantity of these kinds of girls (stunners) anywhere. In fact I think this club enjoys a higher ratio of stunners than comparable Jakarta top end bordellos, the best BKK soapies, or my favorite Macau saunas. Scandallo ranks high. That is why I like it so much.

Now here is where the first issue you mention comes into play I. E. "one guy's Tier 1 may not be another's:" in Scandallo for example, in addition to the Tier 1's that I have described above, there is also a group of girls with very beautiful faces, but they are not slender, they sport more than hourglass figures thanks to their large fake breasts and huge bundas. I don't go for this type at all, but I know many guys do. I rate these girls Tier 3 because there is no way I am going upstairs with one of them. Been there, done that, so yeah, I agree with you; my tier 1 may be someone else's tier 3 and someone's tier 1 might be my tier 3. I have never posted anything contrary to this.

Tier 2's are, IMHO, nice looking, pretty, girl next door types with slender natural bodies. Tier 2's would be 5. 8 star to 7. 49 star in the star rating system. Tier 2's are actually my favorite type of girl in Scandallo. I don"t think there is much disagreement with this description although I aware that many guys are not looking for this type of girl. More for me and at a better price point.

And then there are Tier 4's which IMHO are unfuckable, KKK. I am talking about girls with plain faces (I am being kind) and fat or beyond the pale ridiculous bodies. But yeah, some guys really like this type too. We have all seen happy, very happy punters in Scandallo playing around with tier 4 type girls. Proof that there is no accounting for taste, but let me be perfectly clear, I am not knocking it. As John Lenon once said, "whatever gets you thru the night. It's all right, it's all right. It's your money or your life. It's all right, it's all right".

Now to your 2nd point: "What if a girl believes she is Tier 1 but to you she's not, however, she starts out at Tier 1 pricing? Actually, this does not occur very often in SP boates, but my response would be simple: if a girl asks for more than I think she is worth, I politely end the interview and walkaway. I don't care what her reasoning is. She may think she is a higher category girl than I think she is or she might be trying to hustle me because she thinks I am a dumb gringo with a large wallet. In either case I walk. There are plenty of friendly and eligible girls standing in the wings that I can choose from instead.

But here is the thing: Most Scandallo girls are very well aware of their position on the totem pole So most Tier 1's know where they rank in the Scandallo hierarchy and they will initially ask for something in the 1500 to 2000 price range and are willing to settle for less. Most Tier 2's also know where they rank in the Scandallo hierarchy and they will start off in the 800 to 1200 price range and are willing to settle for less. So it is very rare in my boate expereince for a Tier 2 to ask me for more and they nearly always are willing to settle for something in the 600 to 800 ball park.

It is what I would label as Tier 3 girls where this might seem a little tricky because some of these Tier 3 girls are very popular and have very attractive faces, but they also come with large silly cones and / or large bundas. So many of this type of Scandallo girl will rate and price themselves as a Tier 1 girl. Thus a girl like this will most likely ask large and in such a situation it is up to you, what you want to do about it. I mean, if this is what you like, then go for it. If not, punt and find a different girl more to your liking. It is that simple.

[Balboa]

Most Scandallo girls that ask 1500-2000 are high quality tier 1. If I like / want the girl, I will counter with 1/2 of her offer and will go as high as 1/2 + 200. This approach has only failed me 1 time and there were extenuating circumstances for that lone one time: while I was interviewing the girl over a drink, her GF had lined up 3 VIP Brazilians waiting for her in the wings with open bottles of liquor, so the girl had little incentive to accept my counter. But except for that one time, really hot tier 1's have always quoted me in the 1500-2000 range, say 2000 and I always countered with 1000 and we always settled on 1000 or 1200.

Most tier 2 Scandallo girls will ask 1200 or far, far less. I apply roughly the same approach as with tier 1's and counter with half and I am willing to settle for 1/2 + 200. So if a tier 2 l asks 800, I will counter with 600 or 700 (not 400), and if I like the girl I am even willing to accept her 800 original. Nothing is set in stone. My main point here is that I have never paid more than 800 for a pretty Scandallo girl next door type.

Interestingly, when I first started visiting Scandallo during Omicron (Oct 2021) all the girls I interviewed were asking 500 to 700. My pretty Valeria was asking 500 and I immediately accepted her offer. Later in April 2022 on my 3rd SP trip and after our 5th or 6th time in-house, she suggested the idea of a modified ST which amounted to 5 to 7 hours at my hotel (no clock watching), and multiple you know what for 900 and I happily accepted the upsell. It is a good price for what I am receiving in return, but it ain't exactly cheap in that that we always enjoy a bottle of "quality" red wine (200 and up), sometimes we indulge in smoke (delivered to my hotel), and we always have either room service, delivery or we go out for dinner. All the incidentals add up, but who cares. I really like this girl and I see her like 3 x a week on Sunday, Monday, and Wednesday nights when I am in town. Sundays, Mondays and holidays are slow nights. Valeria makes those nights memorable and I am looking forward to seeing her many times this June thru July.

Gabi must have been hot! I wrote that I have never paid more than 1200, but that doesn't mean I will never pay more for a real looker if I really like / want her. KKK. It's only money. I rule nothing out.

Who classifies each girl as Tier 1 or Tier 2?

One guy's Tier 1 may not be another's.

What if a girl believes she is Tier 1 but to you she's not, however, she starts out at Tier 1 pricing?
Do you tell her, amor, me perdoe, mas voce não e de Tier 1 lol

[Akibono]

As usual Axel is spot on. As to Gabi I didn't find her that hot she was Marks girl and Mark is a newbie. She's a real pro and knew she had him by the balls. I would never have taken her for 1500 but he was quite smitten w her (think a very sophisticated secretary who is very naughty). He reported she was great in the room and in fact had her for another 90 minutes over at the hotel. She's all business about the $$ though. Tough negotiator!

Not that unusual. I have seen and experienced it. You just click with some people and they are better when they are with you. That just makes the sex better. And I am always willing to find that person. A model can process you and she will not be worth much. The factor I use to determine if she is good is how often I will repeat with her. People who are really good are usually busy. Then you have to bid higher to get her time.

[Wkahddl2]

I am currently enjoying my time in Medellin, Colombia. My plan is to visit all South American countries, so now I'm thinking of moving on to Brazil. Any advice you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated!

From what I've seen, scandalo in São Paulo seems to be the best brothel in the world, is that correct?

I don't know where to visit between Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo.

Which city is better for a sex tour?

And in which cities is it easier to find a date, and not just for prostitution?

And is it true that Brazil has the hottest girls? I think Colombian girls are more reserved.

[FilthyBeaver]

To each his own, my 10 is your 8, ymmv, and chemistry is everything. Who cares what it costs. Money is only something you need if you don't die tomorrow.

As usual Axel is spot on. As to Gabi I didn't find her that hot she was Marks girl and Mark is a newbie. She's a real pro and knew she had him by the balls. I would never have taken her for 1500 but he was quite smitten w her (think a very sophisticated secretary who is very naughty). He reported she was great in the room and in fact had her for another 90 minutes over at the hotel. She's all business about the $$ though. Tough negotiator!

[Steve 9696]

As usual Axel is spot on. As to Gabi I didn't find her that hot — she was Marks girl and Mark is a newbie. She's a real pro and knew she had him by the balls. I would never have taken her for 1500 but he was quite smitten w her (think a very sophisticated secretary who is very naughty). He reported she was great in the room and in fact had her for another 90 minutes over at the hotel. She's all business about the $$ though. Tough negotiator!

[Axel Heyst]

Nah. I think they are debating that the "ask" is about 1500-2000. But that's that not what you should pay. They will always ask for more. The folks here are saying don't fall for that higher price ask. Always negotiate it down. Some even got it down to R500.

Most Scandallo girls that ask 1500-2000 are high quality tier 1. If I like / want the girl, I will counter with 1/2 of her offer and will go as high as 1/2 + 200. This approach has only failed me 1 time and there were extenuating circumstances for that lone one time: while I was interviewing the girl over a drink, her GF had lined up 3 VIP Brazilians waiting for her in the wings with open bottles of liquor, so the girl had little incentive to accept my counter. But except for that one time, really hot tier 1's have always quoted me in the 1500-2000 range, say 2000 and I always countered with 1000 and we always settled on 1000 or 1200.

Most tier 2 Scandallo girls will ask 1200 or far, far less. I apply roughly the same approach as with tier 1's and counter with half and I am willing to settle for 1/2 + 200. So if a tier 2 l asks 800, I will counter with 600 or 700 (not 400), and if I like the girl I am even willing to accept her 800 original. Nothing is set in stone. My main point here is that I have never paid more than 800 for a pretty Scandallo girl next door type.

Interestingly, when I first started visiting Scandallo during Omicron (Oct 2021) all the girls I interviewed were asking 500 to 700. My pretty Valeria was asking 500 and I immediately accepted her offer. Later in April 2022 on my 3rd SP trip and after our 5th or 6th time in-house, she suggested the idea of a modified ST which amounted to 5 to 7 hours at my hotel (no clock watching), and multiple you know what for 900 and I happily accepted the upsell. It is a good price for what I am receiving in return, but it ain't exactly cheap in that that we always enjoy a bottle of "quality" red wine (200 and up), sometimes we indulge in smoke (delivered to my hotel), and we always have either room service, delivery or we go out for dinner. All the incidentals add up, but who cares. I really like this girl and I see her like 3 x a week on Sunday, Monday, and Wednesday nights when I am in town. Sundays, Mondays and holidays are slow nights. Valeria makes those nights memorable and I am looking forward to seeing her many times this June thru July.

Hahah. No it was all one on one. But I remembered wrong. We went two different nights and each took 2 two girls each night (different sessions). So a total of 8 girls but one was the same girl so really seven. All were in that 1000-1200 range except Gabi at 1500.

Gabi must have been hot! I wrote that I have never paid more than 1200, but that doesn't mean I will never pay more for a real looker if I really like / want her. KKK. It's only money. I rule nothing out.

[Steve 9696]

You guys both took 5 girls in total to one room? Sounds like quite a fiesta!

Hahah. No it was all one on one. But I remembered wrong. We went two different nights and each took 2 two girls each night (different sessions). So a total of 8 girls but one was the same girl so really seven. All were in that 1000-1200 range except Gabi at 1500.

That said, I did have a "seven-some" with sn amazing old dude (70) at Globe in Zurich a few weeks back. He had three girls and I had two. There was flogging (another guy), watersports, and a banana. It was really something. I posted it in the seeking arrangements thread. Worth a read. It was epic.

Here is day 2 with the sevensome. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements/page3
U might want to start with day one a few posts prior to get the background.

[Knowledge]

Go big or go home, LOL!

You guys both took 5 girls in total to one room? Sounds like quite a fiesta!

[Trojan22]

I agree the 1500-2000 seems high, based on our experience. Between us Mark and I took five girls to the room for an hour. All top tier. Generally they asked 1500 but took 1000,1100, 1200, and 1500. There was only one that stuck to her guns on 1500 - she could tell she had Mark by the balls. But the others were all more reasonable. As always YMMV.

You guys both took 5 girls in total to one room? Sounds like quite a fiesta!

[RealShaun]

Nah. I think they are debating that the "ask" is about 1500-2000. But that's that not what you should pay. They will always ask for more. The folks here are saying don't fall for that higher price ask. Always negotiate it down. Some even got it down to R500.

Simply asking because I plan on breaking my Brazil cherry soon. And if my math is right they're asking for 1500-2000 which is 300-400 usd for one pop?? Is that about right?

[Sangnyc21]

I agree the 1500-2000 seems high, based on our experience. Between us Mark and I took five girls to the room for an hour. All top tier. Generally they asked 1500 but took 1000,1100, 1200, and 1500. There was only one that stuck to her guns on 1500 - she could tell she had Mark by the balls. But the others were all more reasonable. As always YMMV.

Simply asking because I plan on breaking my Brazil cherry soon. And if my math is right they're asking for 1500-2000 which is 300-400 usd for one pop?? Is that about right?

[Trojan22]

Alright fellows, I have been perusing through a lot of discussions, sites, etc. For the past several months and as I get closer to my trip I am asking for your input as I complete my stops, specifically with clinicas.

Below is my line up that I think will be within close proximity to Moema. They are not in particular order but need your assistance to fill in question marks?

Please correct also if I am greatly mistaken on the information I have.

1. Lotus Lounge.

Type: Ipad system.

Area: Jardins.

Approximate Price: 700-800 reales.

Does it have a bar: Yes.

2. Abobora.

Type: Actual line-up.

Area: Concelao.

Approximate Price: 400 reales.

Does it have a bar: Yes.

Website: ?

3. Palms.

Type: Ipad system.

Area: Brooklin.

Approximate Price: 800-900 reales.

Does it have a bar: No.

4. Sharon Premium.

Type: Ipad system.

Area: Moema.

Approximate Price: 650 reales.

Does it have a bar: Yes.

5. Prime.

Type: Ipad system.

Area: Brooklin.

Approximate Price: 600 reales.

Does it have a bar: No.

Website: ?

6. Miruna.

Type: Line up.

Area: Villa Mariana.

Approximate Price: 600 reales.

Does it have a bar: No.

Website: ?

7. Baronesas.

Type: Ipad system.

Area: Congonhas.

Approximate Price: 700-800 reales.

Does it have a bar: Yes.

8. Yankin.

Type: Line up.

Area: Near Moema.

Approximate Price: 400 reales.

Does it have a bar: No.

Website: ?

9. Tangara.

Type: Line up.

Area: Ibirapuera Park area.

Approximate Price: 450 reales.

Does it have a bar: No.

Website: ?

10. Oro.

Type: Ipad system.

Area: ?

Approximate Price: ? Reales.

Does it have a bar: ?

Website: ?

11. Taj Mahal.

Type: Line up.

Area: Villa Mariana.

Approximate Price: 600 reales.

Does it have a bar: No.

Website: ?

Prime is not an iPad system, they have an actual lineup.