Salvador

[Rio D]

Off2Golf,

The postings you refer to were not 'noble opinions on race', but reactions to the offensive 6-15-03 post. Maybe they have gone on a little too long, but they were justified. You should be criticizing the original racist post - not those that responded to it.

What IS wasting the most space on these forums is all the "Hey, let's meet at so-and-so" and "It was great having a drink with you" posts. That stuff should be backchanneled, in my opinion.

[Kinesics]

All points are well taken on noble opinions on race.

Let's drop this race topic now, which has been drawn unnecessary attention more than it deserves.

Silly reminder for all those fellows on this board. The WSG is to share the useful information and experiences for fellow hobbyists’ economical and resourceful fun.

I've noticed a few relatively new members, you know who you are, who have tendency to list postings that have no-value to anyone on this board. If you have no value-added information, simply don't bother to waste Jackson's storage space and other's time through distraction.

I've been immensely benefited from the WSG for what I enjoy to do while traveling, and there are many many thousands more out there. Let's keep focus on how we maximize our fun through sharing best practice and information.

Lastly, I don't give fly f**k about everyone's right and entitlement of one's opinion on this board if it is irrelevant to seek or provide information designed for this board. Take it to the board made for it, or go and talk to your psychiatrist. He or she will listen to you for a small fee.


KEEP THE BOARD CLEAN!

[KnickFan]

<<(Sweden,Denmark,Holland...>>

Don't confuse these with USA women, alot LOT less attitude!

Concerning the race issue, it's crazy. We all want the same thing , but we do have our preferences. Generally speaking, it seems that If you are going for the opposite (White guy/black chik, black guy/white chick) then you have the advantage if you are a rarity in that region. What sucks is if you are not going for the opposite. Been reading up on this board for a while and Salvador seems to be the only place where Black guys have an advantage with the local Black - mulatto ladies. But even this seems up for debate. Some of you white guys don't know how good you 've got it - or maybe you do!

[Johan007]

Guys,

Everybody has a different taste.
I personaly find black women highly attractive and mostly they have firm bodies with great ass and nice tits.
Also the socalled "mullattas" are HOT as hell......
I don't care much for whites in Brasil. Mostly they have attitudes and are stuck up. MHO
In Salvador de Bahia about 90% of the people are black.
Period.
If you like Tall,white skin,blond,blue eyes and an attitude go to another country. (Sweden,Denmark,Holland,USA etc.etc.)


Johan./

[Curry]

You are correct in staing that every group of people be it determined by race or region has their own perception of beauty. You are also correct in stationg that most black men do not find the average white woman attractive. In the same coin many white men find black women attractive and have sice ancient times. ie Rome vs Carthage, Rome vs Egypt, Italy vs Ethiopia, American Slavery and the products thereof. People are entitled to their beleifs. I have no problem with that. My problem lies with the ignorance of some of these guys. I am a high scool Social Studies teacher. I teach A lot of Geograqphy. But it doesnt take a genius to know that if have a preference for tall women with blue eyes and lighter skin that I might NOT want to go to the Phillipines. Do you understand what I'm saying ? I was in Rio Sao Paulo and Salvador. Plenty of women. plenty different complexions. All were , at least by my standards beautiful. That is another thing. In the black race we are many different hues. From bluberry dark to manila folder yellow. However, we simply determine rather we are attracted to someone based on our own criteria. This is why some of my white freinds blow it when they travel abroad. Not all of them but many presume they are preferred because they are white. NOT SO. Many of these people associate white skin with green pockets. Thay also have a superiority complex. That is until they get robbed or taken for their money by what they would consider to be "some stupid third world chick". As far as me going to Salvador well it was something i wanted to see just like any other city. Black people generally dont get excited about these things because there are certain universal applications to our diaspora. That is to say that for everyone I met in Salvador, I already knew someone like him or her back in the states.

[chacho]

On ugly black Brazilian chicks: Once again guys, I'm going to have to say that I agree with those here who proclaim it ridiculous and majorly hypocritical for anyone(especially non black) to travel to a city like Salvador, which has one of the largest black pops outside of Africa and complain about the women being ugly or too black. I mean, you might as well go to Lagos Nigeria and do likewise.

To curry,
Having said the above, I actually think that it's a rather fascinating thing, because beauty or the lack thereof is primarily subjective and among the races you're going to find that most people are attracted to those who look like themselves and tend to view others as second rate. Sure it seems racist, but this is the reason that most white men aren't attracted to black women.

It goes both ways, because I'm sure that you're aware that in the black community in the states, most black men aren't attracted to white women and also view them as second rate. It's interesting to talk to young high school and college aged black men about what types of women they like, because you usually find that their concepts of beauty differ drastically from that of their white counterparts. Some that I've met have summed it up like this"white gals are typically pasty, facially plain looking, have ironing boards asses, no shape, and nothing special about themselves". Obviously to such men black women are the queens of their universe and white women are highly overated.

I do respect your opinion and understand where you're coming from though! Not that I'm an expert on the minority experience, but I gather that it's strikes a nerve when some of the guys here suggest that x women are ugly because of their racial background and if you notice it's only blacks who're offorded such labels. Not Asians, Indians, Arabs, Whites etc..

Out of curiosity, you mention that you were born in the states, but your folks are Jamaicans. Tell me something: Is that why you chose Salvador of all places to visit in Brazil? I mean, does the place seem more enticing for someone of African descent?

Take care!

Chacho

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

[Rio D]

RioNut, that's not what was said, go back and read Rodriguino's post. He's an asshole who travels to a Brazilian city with a large black population, then says that the working girls are "pretty ugly" because of their "90% black blood'. That's racist, and if you refuse to see that fact, then you're part of the problem.

No one ever goes to Moscow and then says that the girls are ugly because they're white. No one ever goes to Taipei and then says that the girls are ugly because they're Asian. If someone doesn't like black women, then they should go to "white" countries only, and post in those forums. We don't want to read their shit. This is the Brazil forum, not the Racist forum.

[Rio Nut]

What's wrong with not wanting to fuck black girls? I often do not want to have sex with blonde girls. Does that make me racist?

Stop being so sensitive and let people follow there own tastes. There are all kinds of women in Brazil to accomodate everyone's preferences.

Besides, there are plenty of young german guys who will wait in line to sleep with the ugly black girls!! ha hah

[Member #4239]

I could not agree more with what "curry" said. Salvador is the heart and soul of Brazil. Great music, food and very friendly girls. And not expensive at all, certainly not when compared with Rio. You haven't visited Brazil until you visit Salvador. J.G.

[Kinesics]

Curry,

Well said it and glad to hear you had great time. I hope I will track up there to see northeast part of Brazil someday in future. I may have a good chance of visit as my brazilian girlfriend in SP is from Bahia state.

I've seen a few postings lately by a couple of contributors who appear having narrower perspectives on topics we cover on this board. But I respect their thoughts and opinions which don't bother me at all though. Different style and approach towards enjoying life which we are all pursuing here right?

Keep it up and enjoy it when you can!

[Curry]

Just got back from Brasil. Rio for 2 days and Salvadsor for 5. I am sick of these ignorant guys , some of whom are blatantly racist in their remarks, knocking Brasil for its abundance of beautiful brown and black women. First off. I am black. My family is from Jamaica and I grew up in the states. I had an excellent time in both cities. Met several girls and never payed for any program. I was courteous enough to pay for a couple of dinners and drinks and a nightclub . This much is to be expected even with women in the states. But my pockets were never hurting. Food and drink is high quality and low cost. I think you guys need to have an appreciation for the culture and try to learn a few respectful phrases in Portugese. If you go there looking and acting like a mark. You will probabably be treated as such. I roamed the streets of Barra and Pelihiorinio (spelled Incorrectly) after dark and NEVER had trouble meeting girls or just good people in General. There are many aggresive hustlers but if you leave yor Ted Koppell , Im white and desired attitude in Iowa, and just have fun here you will be okay. I can not wait to return.

[Rio D]

Rodriguinho, stay the hell out of Salvador if you think the "working girls are pretty ugly, 90% black blood..." And you say you are "biased" because you prefer blondes. Why did you go to Brazil? take your ass to northern Europe, we don't want to read your bullshit. Most of the African slaves brought into Brazil passed through the Bahia region, that's why the people are that racial mix.

And "lithium" is a damned liar in his 4-30-03 post.

[Darkseid]

I travelled to Salvator with my capoeira friedns because Salvator is the capital of capoiera. Unfortunately, because I was with friends who did not share my interest in mongering, I could not find any termas or sex parlours. However, about the race issue, Salvatore has mostly dark skinned women. Not all of them are fugly. I encountered some good looking one and even went home with a Alliyah looking girl from a dance club. Back then, I was not as flent in portugese as I am now but I had a pocket translator which helped me communicate with the girl.
I strongly disagree with Lithium that Salvatore is that unsafe. Maybe you may get conned or aggressively approached by vendors but none of them held me up at knifepoint. I also spent 2 weeks there as well. Only one member of my group was Brazillian and the rest of us were Americans. Not all of them knew that we knew their local martial art. The way these people will treat you depends on the way you carry yourself. If you act paranoid, you'll be looked at as a victim or an easy target. My group even as we split up into groups of 2 or 3 carried ourselves with confidence so no one picked on us. I also think that Salvatore is just as safe as Rio's Copacabana which is in itself a safe beach to walk. I don't even look Brazillian (I am Asian) and people in Brazil treat me as though I fit in. Brazillans HATE when people are scared of them so that is why they pick on paraoid people. Of course, learning Portugese helps a lot because communication is a major key in making friends and non-pro sex.

[Rodriguinho]

IMHO the working girls wree pretty ugly, 90% black blood in there but you dont see many Halle Berry types, mostly Whoopi Goldbergs. Yuck!

I'm also biased because I prefer blondes. I went to Liberty, Free and Tche (both of them) and they all sucked big time. Prices were about R$150 fro 1.5 hrs, no rooms in the premises.

Even if I liked black girls, the ones I saw were fugly or so-so. I saw a 10 in the shopping Aeroclub, black incredible body and she was obviously an escort because she was w/ a 60 yo short bald italian dude.

I 2-3 saw SWs in the Porto da Barra after midnight but nothing worth 1R$. I called a couple of ads and I went to see a nice mulat, blonde kinky hair green eyes, 6 face 6.5 body OK sex nothing special but much better than the skanks at the clubs. I didn't see any good looking SW in Pelourinho either.

Salvador was the weakest of all Brazilian cities I visited so far (like 10-12) I was surprised that a city this big (3d or 4th largest in the country) there was no decent clubs. I asked several cabbies and they only knew about those clubs mentioned above. Maybe a local could post insider info on good quality girls. there has to be.

Rodrigo

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

[Curry]

You guys are hilarious. This forum is interesting because for the most part you can not tell the race or ethnic origin of most of the people here until it becomes painfully obvious. In the Salvador posts the question of race has come up often. In lithium's defense I would like to say that he has been very helpful to me and greatly influenced my decision to go to Salvador this Summer. However I am offended by some of the ingnorance that is going on here. First off most of you guys are white men whom take a novel intrest in exploiting the circumstances of women of color in various regions. I wont knock anyone here for that because in essence to some extent or another I am doing the same thing, but I do have respect and appreciation for these people. I guess what I'm tryng to say is if you have issues or insecurities about dealing with people outside of the white race why dont you keep your pasty ass at home with your ironing board backside chicks.

Now on to the real issue of enjoyng ourselves and the lust that Brazil has to offer! I did not want to go the hotel route but the apartment route also had many restrictions. I am considering staying at Maxim's or the Motel Del Ray. Ive seen the websites and they look nice. Does anyone have any more information on these ?