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[Tom 33]

I know Medellin phone numbers have a 312 prefix. Does anybody know if 525 prefix exist in Colombia?

The 312 is a cell phone, not Medellin. The Medellin prefix is 4. To call any cell phone in Colombia from the US, dial 011-57-xxx-xxx-xxxx. The land lines in MDE are 011-57-4-xxx-xxxx.

[Almotu]

I know Medellin phone numbers have a 312 prefix. Does anybody know if 525 prefix exist in Colombia?

[Bango Cheito]

Not any worse than the US is. Both are at 0.6% right now. See the "AIDS" section for more info.

[Chute]

What's happening with Colombian peso down there? It has been appreciating so much since I was there last year! Now US$1 buys only less than 2000 pesos. I was thinking about going to Colombia this month but am thinking going somewhere else. Well I'm a budget monger. So it matters.

[The Cane]

It not just babies that you got to be worried about, AIDs is a big problem in Colombia evern if you have not heard much about it,there is alot there.

superboy

According to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/AIDS in the Colombian population is only at 0.7% (as of 2003). That doesn't represent a big problem at all.

[Superboy1]

It not just babies that you got to be worried about, AIDs is a big problem in Colombia evern if you have not heard much about it,there is alot there.

superboy

[Scooby1]

Besides a vasectomy never ever give out any personal information out about yourself. Where you live, what you do etc. if you do it will come back to bite you in the ass. There are always people who are nice to your face but are real sleese bags. This may be a shock to some of you but a few of the biggest ones are your fellow mongers.

[Dickhead]

Anyone who mongers regularly should invest in a vasectomy. Running around randomly impregnating ignorant chicas is reprehensible. Condoms are not a highly effective form of birth control and less so when chicas are igorant.

[Winner71]

So true... way too much papaya given... like from 99% of the gringos that go to Medellin.

As for these Paternity threads, I've refrained from commenting solely for its ludicracy as Ford has now pointed out. The only thing that could ever happen is someone could push it so far so you basically can never return to Colombia... and that is it. Further, I think this would only happen to someone that would let it get that far in the first place. I.e. this poster made a post about "never receiving Fed-Ex's or something to that affect" as you can't be served or sued or whatever if you don't accept them. That in itself tells me that this is an individual que da papaya. My sense is he went to Colombia, made it known that he is important, has a bank account, makes a lot of money, or came off to certain individuals that he does and then it went on and on and on.

I tell everyone that asks for advice, do not let anyone know you have cash, do not spend cash in large amounts and act like it means nothing. Peronally, this is one of the reasons I would never consider staying at the $80-100/night locations in Medellin. You are in Medellin playing with chicas that would be thrilled for a payday. Does anyone really think they don't know how much it costs per night for a room at say the Mansion?

This Paternity thing would only happen to those that go about doing things in a manner asking for a problem. These gals look for prey. If you don't come accross as a payday to them, you have no problems. If you fork out $100/night on a hotel and are willing to pay $75-100 to get laid everyday, well you my friend are now a possible "payday."

Though as Ford has pointed out, if you do become their victim... the worse thing that can happen is you can't return to Colombia. Which quite frankly for me is a big deal because I consider Colombia the most fantastic country in the world. And honestly, do you really want some of your juniors out there running around without you knowing anything about their life. I don't think anyone really wants this and most putas abort so many babies a year it would mind-boggle most of the people reading this thread (via a pill). However, don't think that if someone thinks you are a payday they won't think twice about trying to have you held responsible for their kid and turning your life into hell just thinking about it. It won't happen to me. Will it happen to anyone here?

The point you make, Winner, reminds me of the Colombian rule of 'Papaya.' As a foreigner, it's almost impossible to live by the rules. However, as the rules start, don't give papaya but, if you see papaya, take it. As for the paternity issue. Dude, you are giving way too much papaya!

CC

[Npaul1]

Any lawsuit filed by a court or attorney in Colombia on a paternity matter will NOT be entertained in the United States, because it will not be considered to have been filed by a court of "competent jurisdiction" and as such has no weight, or legal standing here.

The Colombian court would have personal jurisdiction IF you 1. Voluntarily file papers contesting the lawsuit down there (submit to the jurisdiction) or 2. If you accept service of process, thru the Miami Embassy, by certified mail. It takes at least a year, I have moved since and my forwarding address has expired. I probably never will get the certified letter. The girl has a hearing on July 10th to tell the Judge she wants to dismiss the lawsuit.

Even if the Colombian courts issue an Order of paternity or divorce or whatever, it can only be levied or garnished upon property you own in Colombia. If you live in the US the Order must be "domesticated" into the state court by the girl. This requires serving you with a new lawsuit in your home state and giving you the right to raise several defenses/objections: lack of personal jurisdicion, lack of service of process, etc. There are some lawyers who specialize in this, often they are collection attorneys who try to collect judgments from other countries or states, they know the ropes.

Then, if the court in your state "domesticates" the foreign judgment you still can raise defenses to the subject matter of the complaint, I. E. Deny paternity, deny all the allegations of the complaint, etc. In Florida we have the right to a Jury Trial on the issue of Paternity. Yes, ask any Florida lawyer.

Just ask me, I have researched this process and it is a complicated and expensive process for any Colombiana to pursue.

Of course, if you believe the child truly is yours, you may want to pursue it in the Colombian courts. In my case the girl admitted to having sex with a Colombian guy in the month of February and the child was born nine months later in November. Good luck.

[Ford]

I think with all this talk about paternity cases for foreign born children it is important to make sure that the proper information is being disseminated. First of all, the legislative body that governs the distribution of monies to foreign born children of US citizens is the US Department of State.

Since 1996, when Congress for the first time specifically authorized federal-level agreements regarding child support enforcement, the United States has entered into a number of reciprocal agreements. Currently, the U.S. has Federal reciprocal arrangements in force with Australia, Canadian provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Branswick, Newfoundland/Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario; Czech Republic, Ireland, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovak Republic.

Also, the U.S. has held formal discussions with more than 30 additional countries since 1997. Negotiations are continuing with many of these countries at this time. Agreements in principle have been reached with Australia , the Netherlands, and Norway and procedures for finalizing these agreements are underway.

However at this point in time (2007) that is it! There is NO other reciprocity agreements in place for the maintenance and support of foreign born children to US citizens in any other country on this planet!

The record keeping abilities in most Latin American countries, and the level of corruption (doctoring of blood tests, mislabeling test results, poorly filing birth records and other certificates) is so high, that the US government won't force its citizens to answer charges made by adminstrative bodies in response to matters of paternity in any of these nations.

Any lawsuit filed by a court or attorney in Colombia on a paternity matter will NOT be entertained in the United States, because it will not be considered to have been filed by a court of "competent jurisdiction" and as such has no weight, or legal standing here. Of course, the Colombian courts could take you into custody or prosecute you if you tried to re-enter the nation of Colombia. That much is true.

In my opinion, you should not have children with any women in any country that you are unwillingly to support or care for! I agree with this. This, however is much more a matter of morality than it is a point of litigation. In theory if you want to travel the globe and indiscriminately -impregnate dozens of women.....well then what you're doing is ethicly and morally corrupt, but in most nations- it is not prosecutable.

Just thought I would make that point for anyone who cares.

cheers...............

[Chicochulo]

The point you make, Winner, reminds me of the Colombian rule of 'Papaya.' As a foreigner, it's almost impossible to live by the rules. However, as the rules start, don't give papaya but, if you see papaya, take it. As for the paternity issue. Dude, you are giving way too much papaya!

CC

[Polvo]

First you are wrong about the child support amount in the US. It totally depends on the judge here in NYC and can be ridiculoulsy low OR high. In some cases for ONE kid you could end up paying half your net income!........

In most states (in the US) there are tables that are used by the authorities to calculate child support monies based on your income. You can easily access those tables on the internet.

Alimony (b itch payment) is more "fluid" and depends if it is regarded as a long-term marriage (8yrs +), her ability to earn etc. To that extent it can depend a little on the judge.

Whatever, economically you will be paying for the most expensive pus*y you have ever had!!

Suerte!

Polvo

[Bango Cheito]

First you are wrong about the child support amount in the US. It totally depends on the judge here in NYC and can be ridiculoulsy low OR high. In some cases for ONE kid you could end up paying half your net income!

Secondly, only a very small minority of Colombians want to leave, and coming to the US is not seen as a "prize". Out of those who ARE willing to leave 99.99% of them want to go for WORK ONLY and return to Colombia within a couple years or so. Almost NOBODY EVER in Colombia moves out of the country for any other reason than to get a better job/make more money.

I would strongly recommend that you NOT marry anybody in Colombia with the plan of taking them up here without having them actually see what it's like here first. Many Colombians in the US actually suffer from severe culture shock and often it's not at all what they expected here.

In my case it's very easy because I actually like it down in Bogota so I'm going to go and live there. Problem solved.

[Npaul1]

But this million $$ lawsiuts just don't fit in to my calculation, so if someone can put a light on that one, I would be grateful.

Ok, best regards to fellow mongers, known and unknown / Ken apples.

That email was from my Colombian attorney and the figure was in pesos. Divide by about 2000 and you get $1,000 US which her attorney wanted me to pay her in attorney's fees. Then she would drop the lawsuit and advise DAS so I could enter Colombia again.

I am going to wait and see what happens. In 3 weeks the blood test for paternity should come back for the Colombian guy. I expect he is the father.