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[Scooby1]

Besides a vasectomy never ever give out any personal information out about yourself. Where you live, what you do etc. if you do it will come back to bite you in the ass. There are always people who are nice to your face but are real sleese bags. This may be a shock to some of you but a few of the biggest ones are your fellow mongers.

[Dickhead]

Anyone who mongers regularly should invest in a vasectomy. Running around randomly impregnating ignorant chicas is reprehensible. Condoms are not a highly effective form of birth control and less so when chicas are igorant.

[Winner71]

So true... way too much papaya given... like from 99% of the gringos that go to Medellin.

As for these Paternity threads, I've refrained from commenting solely for its ludicracy as Ford has now pointed out. The only thing that could ever happen is someone could push it so far so you basically can never return to Colombia... and that is it. Further, I think this would only happen to someone that would let it get that far in the first place. I.e. this poster made a post about "never receiving Fed-Ex's or something to that affect" as you can't be served or sued or whatever if you don't accept them. That in itself tells me that this is an individual que da papaya. My sense is he went to Colombia, made it known that he is important, has a bank account, makes a lot of money, or came off to certain individuals that he does and then it went on and on and on.

I tell everyone that asks for advice, do not let anyone know you have cash, do not spend cash in large amounts and act like it means nothing. Peronally, this is one of the reasons I would never consider staying at the $80-100/night locations in Medellin. You are in Medellin playing with chicas that would be thrilled for a payday. Does anyone really think they don't know how much it costs per night for a room at say the Mansion?

This Paternity thing would only happen to those that go about doing things in a manner asking for a problem. These gals look for prey. If you don't come accross as a payday to them, you have no problems. If you fork out $100/night on a hotel and are willing to pay $75-100 to get laid everyday, well you my friend are now a possible "payday."

Though as Ford has pointed out, if you do become their victim... the worse thing that can happen is you can't return to Colombia. Which quite frankly for me is a big deal because I consider Colombia the most fantastic country in the world. And honestly, do you really want some of your juniors out there running around without you knowing anything about their life. I don't think anyone really wants this and most putas abort so many babies a year it would mind-boggle most of the people reading this thread (via a pill). However, don't think that if someone thinks you are a payday they won't think twice about trying to have you held responsible for their kid and turning your life into hell just thinking about it. It won't happen to me. Will it happen to anyone here?

The point you make, Winner, reminds me of the Colombian rule of 'Papaya.' As a foreigner, it's almost impossible to live by the rules. However, as the rules start, don't give papaya but, if you see papaya, take it. As for the paternity issue. Dude, you are giving way too much papaya!

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[Npaul1]

Any lawsuit filed by a court or attorney in Colombia on a paternity matter will NOT be entertained in the United States, because it will not be considered to have been filed by a court of "competent jurisdiction" and as such has no weight, or legal standing here.

The Colombian court would have personal jurisdiction IF you 1. Voluntarily file papers contesting the lawsuit down there (submit to the jurisdiction) or 2. If you accept service of process, thru the Miami Embassy, by certified mail. It takes at least a year, I have moved since and my forwarding address has expired. I probably never will get the certified letter. The girl has a hearing on July 10th to tell the Judge she wants to dismiss the lawsuit.

Even if the Colombian courts issue an Order of paternity or divorce or whatever, it can only be levied or garnished upon property you own in Colombia. If you live in the US the Order must be "domesticated" into the state court by the girl. This requires serving you with a new lawsuit in your home state and giving you the right to raise several defenses/objections: lack of personal jurisdicion, lack of service of process, etc. There are some lawyers who specialize in this, often they are collection attorneys who try to collect judgments from other countries or states, they know the ropes.

Then, if the court in your state "domesticates" the foreign judgment you still can raise defenses to the subject matter of the complaint, I. E. Deny paternity, deny all the allegations of the complaint, etc. In Florida we have the right to a Jury Trial on the issue of Paternity. Yes, ask any Florida lawyer.

Just ask me, I have researched this process and it is a complicated and expensive process for any Colombiana to pursue.

Of course, if you believe the child truly is yours, you may want to pursue it in the Colombian courts. In my case the girl admitted to having sex with a Colombian guy in the month of February and the child was born nine months later in November. Good luck.

[Ford]

I think with all this talk about paternity cases for foreign born children it is important to make sure that the proper information is being disseminated. First of all, the legislative body that governs the distribution of monies to foreign born children of US citizens is the US Department of State.

Since 1996, when Congress for the first time specifically authorized federal-level agreements regarding child support enforcement, the United States has entered into a number of reciprocal agreements. Currently, the U.S. has Federal reciprocal arrangements in force with Australia, Canadian provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Branswick, Newfoundland/Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario; Czech Republic, Ireland, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovak Republic.

Also, the U.S. has held formal discussions with more than 30 additional countries since 1997. Negotiations are continuing with many of these countries at this time. Agreements in principle have been reached with Australia , the Netherlands, and Norway and procedures for finalizing these agreements are underway.

However at this point in time (2007) that is it! There is NO other reciprocity agreements in place for the maintenance and support of foreign born children to US citizens in any other country on this planet!

The record keeping abilities in most Latin American countries, and the level of corruption (doctoring of blood tests, mislabeling test results, poorly filing birth records and other certificates) is so high, that the US government won't force its citizens to answer charges made by adminstrative bodies in response to matters of paternity in any of these nations.

Any lawsuit filed by a court or attorney in Colombia on a paternity matter will NOT be entertained in the United States, because it will not be considered to have been filed by a court of "competent jurisdiction" and as such has no weight, or legal standing here. Of course, the Colombian courts could take you into custody or prosecute you if you tried to re-enter the nation of Colombia. That much is true.

In my opinion, you should not have children with any women in any country that you are unwillingly to support or care for! I agree with this. This, however is much more a matter of morality than it is a point of litigation. In theory if you want to travel the globe and indiscriminately -impregnate dozens of women.....well then what you're doing is ethicly and morally corrupt, but in most nations- it is not prosecutable.

Just thought I would make that point for anyone who cares.

cheers...............

[Chicochulo]

The point you make, Winner, reminds me of the Colombian rule of 'Papaya.' As a foreigner, it's almost impossible to live by the rules. However, as the rules start, don't give papaya but, if you see papaya, take it. As for the paternity issue. Dude, you are giving way too much papaya!

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[Polvo]

First you are wrong about the child support amount in the US. It totally depends on the judge here in NYC and can be ridiculoulsy low OR high. In some cases for ONE kid you could end up paying half your net income!........

In most states (in the US) there are tables that are used by the authorities to calculate child support monies based on your income. You can easily access those tables on the internet.

Alimony (b itch payment) is more "fluid" and depends if it is regarded as a long-term marriage (8yrs +), her ability to earn etc. To that extent it can depend a little on the judge.

Whatever, economically you will be paying for the most expensive pus*y you have ever had!!

Suerte!

Polvo

[Bango Cheito]

First you are wrong about the child support amount in the US. It totally depends on the judge here in NYC and can be ridiculoulsy low OR high. In some cases for ONE kid you could end up paying half your net income!

Secondly, only a very small minority of Colombians want to leave, and coming to the US is not seen as a "prize". Out of those who ARE willing to leave 99.99% of them want to go for WORK ONLY and return to Colombia within a couple years or so. Almost NOBODY EVER in Colombia moves out of the country for any other reason than to get a better job/make more money.

I would strongly recommend that you NOT marry anybody in Colombia with the plan of taking them up here without having them actually see what it's like here first. Many Colombians in the US actually suffer from severe culture shock and often it's not at all what they expected here.

In my case it's very easy because I actually like it down in Bogota so I'm going to go and live there. Problem solved.

[Npaul1]

But this million $$ lawsiuts just don't fit in to my calculation, so if someone can put a light on that one, I would be grateful.

Ok, best regards to fellow mongers, known and unknown / Ken apples.

That email was from my Colombian attorney and the figure was in pesos. Divide by about 2000 and you get $1,000 US which her attorney wanted me to pay her in attorney's fees. Then she would drop the lawsuit and advise DAS so I could enter Colombia again.

I am going to wait and see what happens. In 3 weeks the blood test for paternity should come back for the Colombian guy. I expect he is the father.

[Ken_Apples]

Npaul, Thanks for your reporting here on the forum, I guess your report falls under the same safety warnings as other types of danger-warning in Colombia :)

To take it from the beginning: There is alot of beautiful Colombian girls out there, and to have a child with one of those beauties, is not the worst thing that can happen to a man :)

The best way, imho, would be to learn to speak spannish, and get out of the tourist center (where the "street smart" girls are "working") and try to get a "non pro working" local beauty. She is more likely not to be playing games with you/me.

I would also never marry a colobian girl b e f o r e she has given me my son/daughter. IF the relation works out, and that would take a year or two to find out, THEN i would marry her.

I also shortly after birth would run a dna father test without her knowledge, knowing for 100% that I actually am the father. If I am, then everything is cool, but If I'm not the father, she'll littery be kicked out of the house and send't back to colombian on the first possible flight.

As we were discussing - My mission is to get ME a family: How many of those paisas would not be more than happy to get a chance in the "first world" for herself and her kids? - If she don't get that or dont want it, then send her dumb ass back to that hunger/dust/drugdealing street where she came from, and give it a new try with a new girl.

We are doing her a huge favour - so no need to take any shit. ( and no reason for beeing an asshole eather, just treat her with love & respect, and expect the same back)

However, IF I am the father and the relation fails, I have no problem paying for my son/daughter to have the possibilites for a good life, and this is where the $$ question comes.

I beleve, and please do correct me if i'm wrong:

That in the USA/EU you pay 20% of your disponible income (income after paying houseloan, rent and those "solid" bills you can't avoid) to the mother.
Period.

And the same goes for paying from USA/EU to colombia if the mother decides to move there.

But this million $$ lawsiuts just don't fit in to my calculation, so if someone can put a light on that one, I would be grateful.

Ok, best regards to fellow mongers, known and unknown / Ken apples.

[Winner71]

You may want to spend a lot of money, but if you want your theory #1 to hold true you DO NOT want anyone seeing you spend a lot of money. Nor do you want ANYONE to think that you have very much money. This goes for even people you think you can trust. Spending money or letting people know you have money is the #1 thing you do not want to do in Colombia, ever!

Members might want to add to this list of important precautions.

1 - Never assume any situation is safe. Your wingman and you should always have a key phrase to notify the other to 'Get out right now - No questions asked!' Some phrase like,"I spell smoke!" or whatever. Remember, one can always revisit a place or situation, you can't always enjoy the rest of your trip if you've been roughed up/robbed or worse.

2 - Like the italian and russian mafia, you are a valued customer. The colombians want you to behave the way you should, as a guest. Be polite, spend lots of money and be smart enough to get a formal intro to a super hot chica in a normal nightclub. Most managers or staff from these places will do it for a small fee. They'll also tell you if she's la vovia de un cabron. It's not uncommon for latinos to be jealous. The gangsters are more so and carry very big guns. Can you say, Toni Montana!!!

Add more, if you want. I should end right now so I don't go over the time limit.

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[Chicochulo]

Members might want to add to this list of important precautions.

1 - Never assume any situation is safe. Your wingman and you should always have a key phrase to notify the other to 'Get out right now - No questions asked!' Some phrase like,"I spell smoke!" or whatever. Remember, one can always revisit a place or situation, you can't always enjoy the rest of your trip if you've been roughed up/robbed or worse.

2 - Like the italian and russian mafia, you are a valued customer. The colombians want you to behave the way you should, as a guest. Be polite, spend lots of money and be smart enough to get a formal intro to a super hot chica in a normal nightclub. Most managers or staff from these places will do it for a small fee. They'll also tell you if she's la vovia de un cabron. It's not uncommon for latinos to be jealous. The gangsters are more so and carry very big guns. Can you say, Toni Montana!!!

Add more, if you want. I should end right now so I don't go over the time limit.

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[Winner71]

You might want to change that post to... FARC and Paramilitaries are still a force in the entire country, not just rural areas. They fight each other and the government in the rural areas... but when it comes to trying to make a political point they do their damage in cities as well... I.e. bombs, kidnappings, etc.


FARC is still a very real and very powerful force in the countries rural areas.[/QUOTE]

[MiamiHeatLuver]

Good find Miami Luver!

I've been to Colombia 5x. Great country, great people, great climate and beautiful women - but let's not forget that this country still has a prevalent "drug culture" and a "gang culture" that is deeply ingrained in the society.

FARC is still a very real and very powerful force in the countries rural areas.

People SHOULD NOT, think its like D.R. or even worse C.R. or Panama!

[Ford]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americ...eut/index.html

Good find Miami Luver!

I've been to Colombia 5x. Great country, great people, great climate and beautiful women - but let's not forget that this country still has a prevalent "drug culture" and a "gang culture" that is deeply ingrained in the society.

FARC is still a very real and very powerful force in the countries rural areas.