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[Marino]

A few days ago on Cali Board I was raising this topic " How Calenas are as a housewife or girlfriend". Well, I got no response at all. It looked like other members were not interested in this topic. Just came to find out on this general info. board many recent messages discussed about this topic. I was talking about Calenas in Cali, but I think the discussion can be expanded to Colombian women, or Latinas.

On Cali board, everybody was talking about how easy it is to pick up a non-pro in Cali., and yet others were saying the Calenas can be good wives. I know many members on this board or many foreigners traveled to Colombia in the hope of finding a girl friend and eventually marry her. I know in SA people's attitude towards sex is very different than that of us in the US. By reading on the Cali board, I have the impression that these Calenas are very open about lesure sex. I was there once myself, and I do think the description about their openness with sex was pretty accurate. Many young regular girls I met have multiple boyfriends or sexpartners. I just can't picture these girls as good housewives even if you marry them and live down in SA. What do you guys think? PanamaJack, Johanoo7, Buzio.

[Johan007]

gUYS,

IT IS FINAL....i WILL BE IN COLOMBIA BETWEEN 24-10 AND 20-11!!
If anyone wants to join up.....it is fine with me. But please be carefull with stuff about mongering etc....because my GF is with me!! (allthough her english is about nada....!)

i WILL FLY IN bOGOTA...FROM THERE INLAND FLIGHT TO CARTAGENA!

We will see what happens.

But i allready noticed my GF is VERY jealous!!
She is a HOT 25 yo canela from Colombia!!

Still I hope to sneak away for some "action"....;-)
I have some "back-up"if things might turn out bad...!

Keep you guys posted.

Johan.

[Buzios]

Johan,

I have never been to Holland, and so I was very surprised to hear comments about the sexual climate there. I guess I always assumed that Holland (specially w/ Amsterdam) was much more sexually active and liberated than over here in the States.

Here there seems to be alot of fucking going....(just not between spouses). I have an American princess (pain in the ass) girlfriend at the moment. The sex has definately slowed since we first met, but is still "OK". Not sure how long I can keep her around. But, I still make my SA trips with my amigos down to Costa Rica or Colombia. Also, I'm still able to score on the side here every now and then.

It would be great to live in SA, what a great culture for finding snatch! But, I don't think I could make the same $$$ as here in the States. My friends and I have been thinking of buying an apartment or small business down in SA so that we can have a good excuse to visit. (They are married, so sometimes it is hard for them to explain these "fishing" trips).

[PanamaJack]

GUYs,

I can vouched for that!!!
My colombian exfiancee, introduced me to her dad and pretty much all her family in Cali colombia, after spending several month in colombian, started to find out that her father still married to her mother had a novia on the side. Once he even took me to her house to meet her, she must have been not much older than 25 he is 52. He told me once that there's so many colombian chicas that would never have the opportunity to married, that they choose to be mistress, why? I don't have the slidest idea.

Shit thats nothing my exfiancee's uncle has a 18 year old mistress he's 61, he even has an apartment set up for here. He has a business in cali so he somewhat well of. The thing that suprise me the most was the fact that, uncle's wife knows about the 18 year old chica and doesn't give a fuck...maybe she does give a f.....) but what can she do. A guess she must be thinking as long as he provides for the house takes care of his homely duty his entitle.

I guess if I lived in cali I'll probably be doing the same shit, I just move to latin american and absolutely love it!! not even in my dreams could I had image having such a good time...... Well guy good luck and happy hunting.

[Johan007]

buzios:

you are completely right!!
i know all about "amantas"and shit like that;-)
sex is no big deal in sa. it is a part of life and most south-americans enjoy it daily!!!!
when you are married for some years here you get lucky if you can fuck your wife once a week on the saturday night....!!! some married collegues of mine can screw about twice a month!! haha. they are realy jealous of my sa fucking trips,i tell you that;-)

you mentioned the fact that latinas will 'change" after arriving in the states or europe. and that is correct.

that is why i still believe it is nearly impossible to live with a latina in usa or europa.
that is why i am looking to settle down in a sa country.
then.....offcourse it is a different ball game and we too can fuck our brains out!!!
(and i will...trust me;-)

here...if you even try this...you got the sack within a nano-second!!!
most divorces here are all about status/money and shit like that. i think less then 5 % of all divorces in holland are about cheating.
dutch men/women are very faithfull.....but oooo soooo boring!!!:-(

you just don't get the change to cheat here....and that is a fact. i am sure if the men here were given the oppertunity they too would fuck outdoors like hell!!
did you ever tried making eyes to a "lady"here on the street???? hell they would probably scream "[CodeWord123]" if you did...lol

in sa this is the way to make contact (malls..etc.etc well you know what i mean)

johan.

[Buzios]

JohanOO7,

I think that we both know these Colombian girls very well. I will also comment that most married Colombian guys (regardless of economics), will have a mistress on the side. It is pretty much accepted as fact down there. Times are slowly changing and the women are gradually not accepting this arangement. However, the general rule is that so long as the man does not flaunt his mistress to his wife and so long as he does not disrespect her with the arrangement, it is generally overlooked. It is just the way it is down there. All of my friends that live there have mistresses, and all of the mistresses know that these men guys are married and have families! It is simply a different world. Too bad it is not like that here in the States. The problem is, once the move here and become Americanized, they don'y put up with that shit.

There is really alot to be said to having a nice wife and family and the ability to maintain something on the side. Lucky men have been doing it for years, but here in the States if you get caught it costs you $$$$ in alimony, down there it's no problem.

Even with all the potential negative factors of finding a South American chica for a girlfriend, it is still worth it. These American prima donna wps's (worthless piece of shit's) are not worth the headaches.

[Johan007]

Addictedtowomen wrote:
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And no, these girls are *not* sponging off them either -- they are out there working or studying their cute little arses off, wondering what the fuck they are doing with their lives and usually thinking of going back home where the living is harder but the macho menfolk actually treat them better.
****

I seriously DOUBT that!!!! I hardly believe a male,chauvinistic,macho from Colombia will treat his wife BETTER then an averahe US/European guy.
WHY????

In Colombia there are sooooo many women....;-)
If you have a little money you can "buy"any woman you want.
Here we have more men. Woman work for their money...at least most are.

Besides that many latinos drink and even HIT their women if she is doing something wrong in HIS eyes.

Try THAT here.....and you'll be facing some barrs from behind the police station!!!;-)

What is true...is the fact that latino men are BETTER ASS-kissers (suck-ups).....and KNOW exactly what latinas want to hear. For us westerners it is hardly to bear if you hear the mega romantic crap which some men tell to girls/women in SA.
If you told that crap to any women HERE she'd be laughing her ass off......and she probably told you to shove off;-)
If you know how they play the game in SA....YOU are settled;-)

Johan.

[Johan007]

Buzios wrote:
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offer the following about Colombian women as girlfriends (not talking about the pros): they can be the most wonderful and beautiful creatures on the face of this earth, but this comes at a price. It's call a TEMPER. Also, what others have said is true. they are raised to think that the man works and the woman stays home. If you can afford this arrangement, then all is perfect. But, if you are looking for an mate that will pull her weight in the income department then you better look elsewhere. In fact this is a trait of all latin women, not just Colombians.****

I agree with you 100 %.
HOWEVER......

The high educated women also want jobs. Fact is that in many countries in SA they just do not find a "normal"job. So they are FORCED to stay home.
Besides that some MACHO males do not allow their women to work...!!
The women that reasly ONLY want to stay at home,spend ypur money....are called "Goldiggers"...stay away from those;-)

If you meet a girl which allready tells you in her second email that she wants 2-3 kids and be a "casa de ama" Forget her and dump her. That is NOT going to work in USA nore in Europe.

In my country nobody (only the very rich) can afford to let a woman stay home with 2-3 kids!!!
If you do so (when having a normal job) this would lead to a certain state of poverty!!

If you look well there are enough SA women that want a job.
Fact is that they THINK their education is ok. Which in fact is (mostly) NOT. Their diploms are not valid or are just overvalued in their home countries. Then when coming to USA or Europe.....they are in a shock,because no boss will hire them.
Besides that most SA women are Realy HAVING TROUBLES WITH LEARNING FORREIGN LANGUAGES!!!!!!!
They still think everybody should speak Spanish (or Portugese)!!!!
English....they just MIGHT learn within 1-2 years.
But Dutch....Swedish...german...Danish .French????
Forget it.

You should find out with 2-3 days if she is looking for a "suggar-daddy" which keeps her AND her family financialy secured OR if she is looking for an equal parter.
Some idots that are in their forties (or even older) with filled pockets are due to the fact that most latinas THINK all western men are RICH and are into "sponsoring" the family.
NOT.

SA is GREAT for mongering......sleazing arround and stuff like that. I love that kind of shit.....:-)

But finding a serious life-mate is a completely different ball game.

my 2 € cents.


Johan.

PS: I am talking with 3 colombianitas and i am heading for Colombia (probably Cartagena) this october/November for 3 weeks.

[Buzios]

I have read WSG for a good while now and find it to be entertaining, enlightening and damn good advice.

I offer the following about Colombian women as girlfriends (not talking about the pros): they can be the most wonderful and beautiful creatures on the face of this earth, but this comes at a price. It's call a TEMPER. Also, what others have said is true. they are raised to think that the man works and the woman stays home. If you can afford this arrangement, then all is perfect. But, if you are looking for an mate that will pull her weight in the income department then you better look elsewhere. In fact this is a trait of all latin women, not just Colombians.

I am a gringo with many Colombian friends here in Florida. I have traveled to Bogota several times with my friends and also had Colombian girlfriends here. For arm candy, they have no equal (my humble opinion), but they are very high maintenance.

[nervousphill]

That's been my general experience as well with Colombian women (ones living here; never been to Colombia yet). Assuming that you have a REAL relationship with one and aren't just hooking up with some hot b***ch, that's using you (which i think is pretty easy to tell), I can't imagine most of them turning into a femnized monster!

[AddictedToWomen]

I'm kind of a bit reluctant to join in this thread, but here we go:

Of the marriages I've seen fail, or failing, between Colombian girls and Western guys, it seems that the *guy*has a hell of a lot to answer for, in several cases considerably more than the girl who has stuck with them through totally unreasonable behaviour that any Western girl would have kicked their sorry arses to the kerb for long ago.

And no, these girls are *not* sponging off them either -- they are out there working or studying their cute little arses off, wondering what the fuck they are doing with their lives and usually thinking of going back home where the living is harder but the macho menfolk actually treat them better.

I'm now going to retreat into this bunker and wait for the incoming flak. :-)

[PanamaJack]

HEY GUYS,


Thats one the main reasons why I'm moving to Panama City, its much more easier to bring your beautiful girlfriends into panama than here in the states. I enjoy traveling to SA, I've met many females that I wish I could invited to my home but living here in the state a girl coming from colombia has few chances on aquiring a visa. But once while on vacation in panama for six weeks I inquired about sending for a girl in cali they told me as long as I pick her up at the airport and I vouched for her she could travel to panama.

It makes me laugh when I talk to a american women its always the same, most of then asume that the women in latin america have no rights, they live in a different era, they have no power in society because latin men are machismos. No dout that most latin men are machismos but it doesn't make the females subservient in anyway. I usually tell my american girlfriends that a large majority of females girls in the states have grown up with the idea that femininity is a weakness, how wrong they are. Thats the major reason why the feminist movement has not caught on in latinamerican mosts latinas see their femininity as there strength and thats why I love latin women. I also tell them that the president of panama its a woman, what a big suprise a woman been at the top of a backwards country. well thats my two cents.... enjoy while you can guys.

[Johan007]

Guys,XXL

if you allready see what kind of huge paperwork,euro's and other things a guy has to do BEFORE even to invite a NON-EU (female) member to his place for a holiday most guys just drop the case and don't even try.
In most cases you have to pay up to 10.000-15.000 Euro's for the whole chebang. Language training in HER country (!!!!! jee what a GREAT idea...!!),visa costs (app. every year 500 Euro)paperwork translations (of. translators are EXPENSIVE as hell I tell you,for one lousy A4 paper you pay up to 150-200 Euro's depending on the language) and besides that many otehr costs like tickets,telephone calls etc.etc.

AND THAT IS JUST WHAT OUR GOVERNMENTS WANTS!!!!!!!!!!

For women right now this country (Netherlands;and i am sure also other western countries) is PARADISE!!
Many women divorced with 2-3 kids even in thier late thirties/early forties STILL get a guy 5-10 years YOUNGER with EASE!!
Most guys infact are happy that they even GET a wife and not have to spend their prime ages between 30-45 ALONE!!!
Many dutch men (maybe also others?) are DESPERATE and willing to do nearly EVERYTHING just NOT to end up alone.
Some men are so twisted that they end up with goldiggers and/or prostitutes and marry them. You all know what will follow after this. Divorce. And in most cases a severe financial pain for the guy.

That makes me very sad.
For some countries like Thailand,Philipines,Colombia,DR or Cuba is is NEARLY impossible to get a perm visa for the Netherlands.

So IF a guy should want to " get" a forreign wife here he shoulc think this over 135 times before doing so.
Sure many agencies or marriage brokers don't tell you all this.
They only want to make $$$$$$$$$.

Johan.

[XXL]

I'm glad I'm not alone with my findings, or maybe I should say I'm sorry for things to be genuinely as bad for us men as I make them out to be. I'd much rather my pessimism were proved wrong to some extent.

Johan007 also touches on a further complication that makes our predicament even worse, namely the fact that our governments have made it impossible for men with normal income to invite a girl on a tourist visa. Fifteen years ago, this was easy.

I always get mocked by male friends of mine whenever I try to bring home to them that there's a feminist conspiracy going on, yet this is just what it is. Until the late 80s, more European women than European men engaged in relationships with non-European partners, and this was not perceived as a problem.

As soon as the figures reversed ( more European men than European women interested in non-European partners), European women cried wolf and no excuse was spared to prevent European men from having girl-friends over on vacation.

Same in the US of course, probaly even worse. "We're in this together with the US" is a favourite motto of bootlicking politicians over here. In it together indeed, in feminist shit's creek without a paddle.

Know what? The muslims are not such fools after all.

xxl

[Johan007]

Guys,

I've been reading the posts and I think xxl is correct.
The problem is not (if you have $$$ or €'s ofcourse) living together with your latin queen in Colombia (should you want this) or in whatever SA country.
The troubles will start when coming HOME to US or Europe.
I know some guys that are married to Russians,Colombians and Brazilians.
Most of them are divorced,separated or in whatever lousy situation.
It's NOT looks......no sir.
It's a combination of factors that is cousing most forreign marriages to fail.
Different mentality (try explaining a latina wife that women here share their part in living costs IF they have a job..!!).
Climate factor; If you live in Spain,Italy of in Florida you are lucky.....but if uyou live in Holland,Denmark of Alaska...well......;-)
In most West-European countries there are more MEN then women.
Besides that (IMHO) most women here are not half as pretty as your average Russian/Latin queen.
So if you like it or not,your Latin queen must stand firm NOT to fall for other male temtations which there are MANY here. And I assume you have NOT taken a goldigger from there,because in that case you can WAIT when troubles start;-)
There is always a guy that is making MORE $$$$,looking better and/or younger....or just having the better raps.....then you are.
Lets not fool ourselves guys. The MAIN reason for those women to migrate is $$$$$ and/or a BETTER live status.
It seldomly has anything to do with REAL LOVE!!!imho

If I COULD I would prefer to live in SA.
But on this moment that's just impossible for me.
:-(
Untill that day I just go twice a year on a fuck holiday for 3 weeks and "enjoy" my live here with an average 39 yo duch woman with 3 kids that looks like shit and has demands like if she were the queen herself!!!
Dutch immigration rules are getting more strict each year. Right now it's nearly impossible to live together with a latina in Holland if you NOT earn a HUGE salary (yes my friends here we have income demands!!!) and are willing to pay many €€€'s for visa,langauge trainings etc.etc.etc.
Besides that our glorious dutch government (bunch of wankers) is getting real paranoid:-(

regards,

Johan