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[DrBrew1]

really? really?

buying a pizza for a chica at the end of a meal to bring home to her kids?

wouldn't really consider that supporting a kid.

i highly doubt anyone would get shunned by his peers for this.

ricker i am with you on this one.a small kind gesture that would have cost the guy less than 10 dollars.

[Ricker]

cultural differences my ass. no self-respecting colombian man would be caught dead supporting a kid he knew wasn't his, nor would he get any respect from his peers if he were idiot enough to do so.

really? really?

buying a pizza for a chica at the end of a meal to bring home to her kids?

wouldn't really consider that supporting a kid.

i highly doubt anyone would get shunned by his peers for this.

[Ricker]

2) Stop arguing with the girls. I mean it. Just stop. :) It's completely pointless and a waste of time, it will accomplish absolutely nothing.

... 3) Instead of arguing with logic which almost NEVER works with colombianas, fight fire with fire, or in this case, bullshit with bullshit. If you're really interested in seeing her again, come up with any excuse to dangle her along. Tell her you'd be more than happy to buy her son a gift once your Colombian friend pays back the money he owes you "mañana." The next time you see her, tell her your card is not working. And after that, maybe your cell phone got stolen, lol! "Que pena contigo pero [insert bs story here]" is your friend. Just like the locals do, use it every single day in Colombia!! ...

Now this is great advice!! Guys, read it twice, learn it, practice it.

In Colombia, more than any other place I've ever hung out, the BS really flows, and the arguing and logic go out the window in most cases.

Have fun with it.

[Cuero99]

As far as girl friendly. I think all hotels are girl friendly.

Maybe most, but not all. In August I spent a night at Morrison Hotel Bogota - upscale and I enjoyed a night sleeping alone in a beautiful, immaculate and spacious room. But specific policy at this hotel forbids overnight guests for security reasons. Even if the policy was waived, or you took a girl up for a short time, you would have to walk your girl out after a session because one cannot exit via the elevators without the key card.

It was ok for me in this case as this was a stopover before returning home and I was tired and a bit mongered-out after two weeks on the prowl throughout Colombia that had ended with several days hobbying in Medellin..so I preferred to spend that evening resting and happily reliving my prior adventures in my mind rather than look for a final pull for the trip.

[Mr Enternational]

I guess that I go through so many chicks and have had so many that think just because we are going out and doing something together that it entitles them to a shopping spree on me that I finally blew and had to tell them about themselves. And I find that the ones who are always begging for shit are the ones who are not going to fuck you. It's always the chicks who don't want anything but to spend time with you who have the best character and are going to give you a fucking of a lifetime.

I have made posts before about a girl in Cartagena who thought I was going to bring a Playstation 3 and countless games for her son (actually she did put out like a champ and all she wanted in the end with her full order of dick was a side order of patacones). Then there was the chick in Bogota who suckered me into taking her mom and adult son to dinner with us and afterward she wanted me to give her son money for his architecture supplies. Then the ones who wanted me to top up their phone. (Why the hell do you think I'm going to pay your phone bill for you to call another cat? I'll call you b*ch, you don't need to worry about calling me.) And who was that who went to Exito with the girl and her mom and they thought he was going to pay for the basket of shit that they just picked out?

See all you saw in the story from yesterday was the pizza. Sure it was just 8000 pesos for the pizza but all of this shit together has been brewing. That was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I just got fed up with the fighting fire with fire and beating around the bush thing and had to be direct. If it would not have been with her then it would have been with the next person.

[Phunluv]

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

There's a lot of good responses to this already but here's a few more thoughts:

1) It's possible some of these low-estrata girls are a bit "inculta" about these dating niceties. The ideology of much of the colombian poor is "nothing asked is nothing gained," especially when it comes to interacting with the gringo or richer colombianos.

2) Stop arguing with the girls. I mean it. Just stop. :) It's completely pointless and a waste of time, it will accomplish absolutely nothing. If a typical colombiana thinks the sky is green, there is no argument or point in the world that exists that can convince her otherwise. Doesn't matter if she's estrata 1 or 6, they're ALL flaky like that! So don't even try, it only pisses her off even more; conserve your time and energy.

3) Instead of arguing with logic which almost NEVER works with colombianas, fight fire with fire, or in this case, bullshit with bullshit. If you're really interested in seeing her again, come up with any excuse to dangle her along. Tell her you'd be more than happy to buy her son a gift once your Colombian friend pays back the money he owes you "mañana." The next time you see her, tell her your card is not working. And after that, maybe your cell phone got stolen, lol! "Que pena contigo pero [insert bs story here]" is your friend. Just like the locals do, use it every single day in Colombia!!

One of us here has to "take one for the team" and use the "indecent proposal" strategy. It's something I've been thinking about as I lose patience with putting up with the flakes and the bs. It's always about these chicas putting us on the spot. Wouldn't it be fun to turn the situation around and place the pressure right back on them? ;) You want a gift? Sure, come back to my place and the happier you make me, the bigger the gift for your kid/mom/sister/cousin blah, blah. I'm sure most chicas would be shocked and run away, but at least you save your time (and possibly money depending how they react) and you get them to show their true colors one way or the other. I know that seems very jerk-like behavior but this is Colombia, it's a man's world, you can get away with saying almost anything as long as you're not being sexually explicit with what you think are non-pros. Remember that even with their local novios, sex can be somewhat of a "negocio" or transactional in nature. So if you have some cojones, push their annoying requests right back at them with your "special request."

[Ricker]

Just my two cents. When trying to pick up chicks(Foreign and or Domestic) keep it positive. Positive energy and attitude. If you get all defensive and combative you'll be enjoying your plain cheese pizza by yourself after you wank one out instead of cleaning up your load off of her back! LOL!

Right on amigo! I'm into the school of positivity too.

[Ricker]

Thanks for the update on cultural differences. However, I am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. I don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. If we were to give it a name I suppose it would be the Puta culture.

I have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. Maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?

I don't really think a Colombiana asking for a cheap pizza for her kid(s) at home is 'playing the game' or part of a 'Puta culture'.

It's just a poor single mom wanting to bring something different home for her kids to eat. She wasn't asking for anything extraordinary really.

I personally don't find it a big deal and I wouldn't have lectured her on it, the poor chica probably has a hard enough life as it is.

To each their own though, we all have our own tolerances. I find it much easier to help out a chica when she's asking for her kids.

[Bango Cheito]

thanks for the update on cultural differences. however, i am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. i don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. if we were to give it a name i suppose it would be the puta culture.

i have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?

cultural differences my ass. no self-respecting colombian man would be caught dead supporting a kid he knew wasn't his, nor would he get any respect from his peers if he were idiot enough to do so.

it's traditional for a man to pay for dates here but very very bad form for a woman to accept gifts and meals etc from a guy if she's not romantically interested in him. if she has no intentions of being more than friends she should be going dutch. actually, even in romantic situations with women here they often contribute to the cause as well. one girl lives out of town so when i would visit her i'd pay my transport and the room and she'd pay for taxis and food etc.

[Cubfan1963]

Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "

Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.

So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.

I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.

Thanks for the update on cultural differences. However, I am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. I don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. If we were to give it a name I suppose it would be the Puta culture.

I have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. Maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?

[SlamCity7777]

Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "

Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.

So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.

I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.

I do see you point sir, it is a bit forward or bold of her to ask you for a treat for her son but on the other side of the coin; you could say that you blew a shot at this PYT at the cost of a $7UDS plain cheese pizza.

What is the old expression. "more flies with honey than vinegar"?

IMO: If you would have been more positive minded about this, more "happy-fun-generous-party guy" then "tight fisted.selfish-only looking to F*ck me-Gringo" things might have turned out better. You went from having a nice, fun, relaxed date to a heated, tense, debate about manners. All for a $7 pizza. It's not like she asked you to buy a $200bottle of Vodka at the club for her and her girlfriends.

You could have been like "Oh I'm having problems with the ATM so I can't right now" or a number of reasons.

Most importantly her perception of you has changed; from Cool-Guy to Never-going to-sleep with him ever-Guy.

I have learned that the quickest way to a girls heart(Pussy, moth, and booty hole if that's you thing) is:

1) Dancing 2) Don't be cheap/Don't appear cheap 3) Get her kids on your side or show you're cool with her kids even if you're not.

Just my two cents. When trying to pick up chicks(Foreign and or Domestic) keep it positive. Positive energy and attitude. If you get all defensive and combative you'll be enjoying your plain cheese pizza by yourself after you wank one out instead of cleaning up your load off of her back! LOL!

[MiamiHeatLuver]

Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "

Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.

So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.

I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.

I agree for the most part (BAD MANNERS) If we are eating something cheap like a hot dog, chuzo or hamburger ill even ask her if she wants to take one back to the kid or (novio, lol) it does seem more prevalent in the lower estrato girls seeming they are more desperate. I always give the taxi pesos no matter what, i figure a girl gets all dolled up in her sunday best to see you, its the least you can do to try and get some poontang.. I as well found it strange that the women were always willing to come to the Hotel or Apartment though sometimes time they wanted to bring a lady friend which i didnt mind too much because 1/2 the time was hotter than my date and like magic I have 2 numbers now lol. What signs did you get that you weren't getting any that a few good tragos de ron o guaro couldn't rectify? lol

[Mr Enternational]

Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "

Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.

So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.

I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.

[Mr Enternational]

Bogota, Hotel El Virrey has a decent location and good price. Is it girl friendly?

El Virrey is my hotel of choice in Bogota. When I can get a room that is. They are always full so most definitely make reservations in advance. I have walked up in there plenty of times without a reservation and ended up having to go to another place. Last time a taxi driver out front took me to Hotel La Sabana http://www.Hotellasabana.com/ Calle 23 5-23 phone: 284-4830. It is actually rated above El Virrey and they are about the same price. I highly recommend it.

As far as girl friendly. I think all hotels are girl friendly. Although I have never taken a pro to my hotel because I only monger in Santa Fe, I have taken many non-pros. It's just that the Colombia way is that you have to pay by the person for a room unless it is some monger setup like The Mansion. Once two wingmen and I stayed in a hotel in Bogota for 1 night while we waited our flight to Cali the next morning. We called ourselves getting a triple room so we could save money. Well it ended up costing the same as 3 separate single rooms would have.

[Ricker]

Guys just looking for some feedback. I have been a member here for 9 years just had to change handles cause the old wife kept finding me here.

I have always been an asianphile been to Thailand China and the Philipines more than 20 times. LOVE the Asians and now I live with an educated sexxy ex Colombian, now Canadian.

She is gorgeous and the most erotic women I have ever met and is an ex Lawyer so not a dummy either.

She is ready willing and able (so she says) to engage in all my desires, I have told her at length about my trips to asia, all the things indeed and she craves a 3 some as much as I do, we discuss its constantly when we make love and when we are just sitting.

I ask those with more experience is this a trap? We are living together and making a life in Canada with our kids so all is sincere.

We are travelling soon to Colombia and she is a little concerned the Colombia girls will all want me and steal me. I am no catch I assure u.

Comments are welcome as I am begining to leanr about Columbian women now.

PP

I would rather define "claro" a few dozen times more.

I hope you understand.

Now that was one FUNNY response LuckyEd!

I too loved the "claro" debate.

As far as this other guy's post goes. Que?