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[Strangeman]

In planning my trip to Medellin this winter I have joined an online service called Columbian cupid. I am not normally a cynical person but I do have a working bulls*%t meter. In the week and a half since joining I have traded letters with over a half dozen cute girls in the 21-30 age range, turned down talking with another half-dozen not-so-cute girls and had OVER 45 ladies of all looks and age show interest in my profile. All these girls seem genuine in their letters and do not have 'slick' professional profiles. They have real, self taken pics and are able to hold an interesting conversation, albit via translator.

As I am also doing the internet dating thing here in the ole USofA. In the last two months I have talked to less than half a dozen girls, mostly between 4-5 in looks and most overweight. I have been stood up once, brushed off once and had one real date that I later regretted. It's pretty bad when a girl can literally make a sailor blush with her conduct in public.

So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)

While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.

Thanks for the input guys.

[Phunluv]

I do not mean to be cynical. I am simply reporting what I saw.

Robby, it's possible those assistants were just transcribing the letters; you'd be surprise how many colombians don't have the internet access and computers we take for granted.

Still, these agencies are at the very least partial scams; I'll grant a lot of the girls are probably paid a small sum of cash to be available for dates/outings/parties. For most guys, it's a waste of money, although I grant that for some men who are shy, inexperienced with foreign travel, don't know the language, etc., this might be a safe, acceptable option to meet foreign women.

But if you are the shy type who's not into the cold approaches that Ricker does, just do what I do. I have several colombian friends and when I hang out with them, go to house parties, clubs, bars, soccer games, outdoor fairs, fincas, etc. it's just amazing how easy it is to meet friendly attractive women. And you already have the "social proof" or "vouching" that your local friend automatically provides for you.

The disadvantage to this method is you often have to compete with other colombian men, including sometimes your friends, lol! But I speak the language well so I can hold my own. My problem is that when I'm alone I tend to revert back to my natural shy/reserved state so the cold approach like what Ricker did with the girl he met on the subway, I wouldn't be able to pull that off. You have to find a strategy that works for you.

[Robby Burns]

Hi,

Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?

I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.

Best,

DD

I was in MDE last month and I went to visit the office of AFA (in the Poblado district). There were four women there. The manager, and three associates.

They were very pleasant to me during my 30-minute visit (I did not pay any money. I only asked questions) but I think I may have uncovered a bit of a scam.

While I was talking to them, I noticed that two of the women were at computers, copying text from sheets of paper on their desk. I was able to catch a glimpse of what was on those sheets of paper, and they appeared to be "letters" that were being written by "women seeking men. "

In other words. Fake letters being being written by the AFA staff to unsuspecting men in the USA

I am not 100% certain that this was the case. But I am 90% certain.

If you want to get the AFA "experience" you can do it for as little as $50 per introduction. You go into their local office (in whatever city they have them) and look at their "Member's book". Or you can request a woman by her ID number on their website. For "only" $50 they will arrange a meeting at their office, and then you can take the woman to a nearby cafe or restaurant.

Next level of participation is to go to one of their scheduled parties. That will cost around $350 in MDE (IF I am remembering correctly). But you can meet many women, and then get their phone numbers. However, these parties only occur during one of their "tours" from the USA

Next level is to join their Latin Club. I think it is around $595 for unlimited introductions (usually at the AFA office) for a 7-day period. So, if the scheduling is possible, you can meet 4 or 5 women every day for a 1-2 hour date. For 7 straight days. I am not sure if this level includes attending one of their parties.

My point is that you do not have to spend the $1,300 (or more) to get some of their benefits. You can start as low as $50.

Just beware of my original discovery. The letter-writers were young assistants working in their office. It is very easy for this outfit to have "agreements" with the more beautiful women on their roster.

"Hey. Show up at our office. Go on a 1-hour date. We'll pay you $20. "

That is way more than what many women earn in MDE for several hours. Plus they will get a nice cup of coffee or lunch or dinner from you. Then, they will go on to the next "date. "

I do not mean to be cynical. I am simply reporting what I saw.

[Ricker]

I would be willing to pay a premium to have a stable of 3-5 dinner dates in CTG for a month that are middle class women with jobs who speak decent English. That’s what I am after. If I can pay $1300 to be introduced to 40-50 women, of which 15-25 will be the job holding professional chicas that I desire, and if 7 to 12 of the aforementioned will like me and I will like them then the trip will be a smashing success; if I can meet four to five such women the trip will be a success.

I think that an introduction service is good venue to facilitate this

If a guy speaks decent spanish, has at least a semi-outgoing personality, seems to have a kind heart, and is pleasant looking (model looks not required at all) he can EASILY meet nice regular chicas in Colombia, especially a place like Barranquilla where the people are naturally friendly.

Meet girls and the malls, both customers and shop employees, restaurants, hair salons. (yes, if you see a nice looking girl cutting hair or doing nails, go in and get service and chat), from friends that you make and want to set you up, etc, etc.

You just never know who you'll meet and a lot depends on luck and taking advantage of your luck. Being at the right place at the right time and acting upon it.

In Brazil, my current girlfriend I met on the metro (subway) about a year ago.

I was lucky enough to be on the metro, in the same car, at the same time as her.

I spotted her, beautiful, sitting there and as nervous as I was, I talked to her, acted a little lost on the train, (girls love to help a lost guy) and we hit off.

I was lucky and took advantage of my luck otherwise it would have been just another lost opportunity.

The key is being able to speak the language and not being afraid to chat with a beautiful, younger lady. Because. You're not in the cold cultured west.

The intro service / online services, well of course I've tried them, but it's just not for me.

The owners of these intro services, I've had friends running these businesses, care only about getting your money, but they will be smiling and making promises the whole way.

Of course, if you're not a spanish speaker, this may be your better option, the intro service.

You will meet women, and you may get lucky.

Just be aware, the nicer looking girls will most likely be communicating with more guys than you and they might not admit it.

Remeber, Colombia has gotten pretty popular with lonely western guys searching / hoping to find love.

My favorites, are the girls I meet, whether in Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, that have never really even met a foreigner.

The number one, most important thing a guy can do is learn to speak the local language. Spanish.

Incredible to me that guys want to go and meet a COLOMBIANA, maybe for marriage, and severely LIMIT themselves to english speaking girls only.

The vast majority of girls, even educated ones, don't speak english.

If you're serious about meeting latinas. Learn spanish, earnestly. It will pay off emmensley.

Talk to any guy about his experiences before speaking spanish and after, and 100 percent will tell you of the incredible difference with both regular and working girls.

When I first began visiting Brazil almost 5 years ago, I figured I would just use spanish to communicate.

WRONG. I felt like un idiota again, communicating like a kindergartner.

So, I studied like a mad-man and practiced and learned the language (portuguese).

Now, I can communicate again and it's back to milk and honey with the Brasileiras.

Ok. Enough rambling.

Good luck to ya.

[Menteng]

BTW I did Google for motels in Pereira and got a list.

But I need recomendations and prices.

[Menteng]

I went back till the reports of May 2010 but couldn't find any information on motels in Pereira. One of you mentioned Bolivar Square for nice hotels, but I need a motel to avoid risks for her.

[John Gault]

Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?

You must go outside the club to smoke.

[Otiers]

Hi Otiers,

I did not intend to offend you or imply that your wife was taken from a bordello. You seem like type of guy who would take precautions for this not to occur.

No matter how tawdry or uncouth I think this to be, I don’t care if another man does so. I think that most of these sorts of arrangements end in disaster and as they are usually built on deceit and lies by one or both parties, but I know of know of one Maj in the USAF that took a wife from a *****house in Kosovo and they live a decent middle class American life. Good for them.

I think that some hookers are ok people but most of the ones that I have met all over the world are both lazy and stupid. And those traits are tough to shake if a gal wants to go straight and be successful or complement your success.

Thanks for the explanation. I do wish you the best. Since you will be there for a month, then you will be able to meet a few normal women. Another way to meet single available women is to talk get to know some families because the wife will know friends or a sister or niece to introduce you.

A few years ago before I was married, I met a family from Barranquilla staying in the apartment building I was staying. I still get emails from them and they still send me pictures of women they want me to meet. When I go married seven years ago, I was in the waiting area at the airport when the young woman who worked with my wife and I to organize our wedding and reception at the Hotel Caribe was on the same plane as mine. We were able to sit together and talk the entire trip and she told me she would have liked to have known me before I got married. So, keep your radar up and you will meet many women.

Per my previous posts in the Cartagena section, I decided to have my wife attempt to go to the embassy one more time. Her appointment is Oct 7th, so if she gets it, I will be returning to Cartagena late Oct or early Nov. I would love to meet up for a beer and perhaps my wife can arrange one of her friends to come along.

[Muff01]

Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?

No smoking in clubs and resteraunts.

[Doubt98]

Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?

[DirkDingy]

Just because you are an experienced monger does not mean you are wise to those who try to make a buck off men who want to find true love and happiness. I hope you take the advise because Colombianas are great actresses.

I met my wife by starting a conversation and asking her to show me the city. Over a period of time we built our relationship. That can't be done in a week or two by being inundated by many girls at one time. If you can find a gem and be able to build over a period of time by visiting her several times over a year, then yes it might be the way you want to go.

You sought advise and when you did not get the answer you wanted you start attacking. I was just offering my experience in seeing these men come into town from AFA and getting the puppy dog look in their eyes and falling in love without really knowing the girl. There are many girls from AFA that are constantly in LDV.

Because my wife has the resources and time to go to both the Rio and LaPerla casinos she knows what goes on. I assume you were not inferring that she was straight out of a ***** house. If you were, you should offer an apology and not make statements unless you are willing to say it to my face. If not, then the best of luck to you in your search.

Hi Otiers,

I did not intend to offend you or imply that your wife was taken from a bordello. You seem like type of guy who would take precautions for this not to occur.

No matter how tawdry or uncouth I think this to be, I don’t care if another man does so. I think that most of these sorts of arrangements end in disaster and as they are usually built on deceit and lies by one or both parties, but I know of know of one Maj in the USAF that took a wife from a *****house in Kosovo and they live a decent middle class American life. Good for them.

I think that some hookers are ok people but most of the ones that I have met all over the world are both lazy and stupid. And those traits are tough to shake if a gal wants to go straight and be successful or complement your success.

I would be willing to pay a premium to have a stable of 3-5 dinner dates in CTG for a month that are middle class women with jobs who speak decent English. That’s what I am after. If I can pay $1300 to be introduced to 40-50 women, of which 15-25 will be the job holding professional chicas that I desire, and if 7 to 12 of the aforementioned will like me and I will like them then the trip will be a smashing success; if I can meet four to five such women the trip will be a success.

I think that an introduction service is good venue to facilitate this.

I doubt that a Latina—or any other woman for than matter-- won’t put out after three dates if she’s attracted to you so I’m not worried about expending time and resources and being left high and dry.

Look, of course, I know that if I call a woman at 1100 on Monday and she is sleep my bs detector starts beeping. I also know that if I see a woman with no job with a multitude of trips aboard I know that she is on the circuit…nobody visits friends in Dubai for two months. I know what most of these “models” do unless they work for a handful of agencies…and even then.

The problem with these boards is that the audience varies so widely that it’s hard to strike the correct tone. At times a simple recital of facts appears to some as arrogant when I feel that context is necessary, even crucial. (Apparent) wealth, looks, age, language ability, charm, availability, (apparent) social strata, are all factors which impact one’s experience with the ladies.

I’m a far cry from the typical Yankee guy who comes down on a love tour for a week and is puppy struck by the routine of the ladies.

I agree that your advice and warnings is good intel for most people.

The beer is on me if we can link up in CTG or MDE next month. Didn't mean to offend.

Cheers,

DD

[Otiers]

Hi,

I am experienced mongerer and am unlikely to be duped by prostitutues claiming to be something they are not.

I don't like being seen with prostitutes in public and don't realy care for 90% of the prostitutes that I meet.

But if a guy wants to take his wife from a bordello its his business.

I prefer medium term arrangements and surmised that the women of reputable introduction agency may be gold diggers or a bit jaded but are more of what I desire.

Just because you are an experienced monger does not mean you are wise to those who try to make a buck off men who want to find true love and happiness. I hope you take the advise because Colombianas are great actresses.

I met my wife by starting a conversation and asking her to show me the city. Over a period of time we built our relationship. That can't be done in a week or two by being inundated by many girls at one time. If you can find a gem and be able to build over a period of time by visiting her several times over a year, then yes it might be the way you want to go.

You sought advise and when you did not get the answer you wanted you start attacking. I was just offering my experience in seeing these men come into town from AFA and getting the puppy dog look in their eyes and falling in love without really knowing the girl. There are many girls from AFA that are constantly in LDV.

Because my wife has the resources and time to go to both the Rio and LaPerla casinos she knows what goes on. I assume you were not inferring that she was straight out of a ***** house. If you were, you should offer an apology and not make statements unless you are willing to say it to my face. If not, then the best of luck to you in your search.

[DirkDingy]

No offense, but there are suckers born every minute. You might think you are getting a girl the is a "cultivated companion", but do not be surprised to see them working in LDV trying to make money off of the tourists. There are exceptions of course.

My advise go to the mall and start talking to the girls working in the stores. Walk around Bocagrande, smile and start a conversation with someone that strikes your fancy.

My wife and I were in Cartagena four years ago when I met a gentleman from Boston who had a pretty girl on his arm. He had a big smile and told me he thought this girl was the one for him. It was difficult for me to tell him that my wife whispered to me "She a bad girl". My wife goes to LaPerla quite a bit to play roulette and talk with friends and she told me the girls from LDV would show up in the casino to take a break from the smoke and noise. She recognized this girl being with a different man each night.

So please be careful.

Hi,

I am experienced mongerer and am unlikely to be duped by prostitutues claiming to be something they are not.

I don't like being seen with prostitutes in public and don't realy care for 90% of the prostitutes that I meet.

But if a guy wants to take his wife from a bordello its his business.

I prefer medium term arrangements and surmised that the women of reputable introduction agency may be gold diggers or a bit jaded but are more of what I desire.

[DirkDingy]

Dd,

This is how I started my journeys to Colombia 3 years ago. I've been on several trips through A Foreign Affair and Colombian Angels which is now http://www.Latingirldating.com. I had some good times and met some nice non pros. On the romance tours I found myself overwhelmed by so many women it was hard to choose only 1. Not too many guys find the 1 on their first tour. It usually takes several trips before that may happen. I also started finding that some non pros are up to no good just like the pros. I found out one girl I was writing for a couple of months before a trip was engaged three weeks before my arrival. That's when I started to mix mongering into my trips. Now I have a novia that's trying to get away from the night life and get regular work. I'll see how it goes. Luckily I have a couple of trustworthy friends monitoring her progress in English classes and work training programs. If you're in Medellin I would advise you to go to AFA or Latin Girl's office, look at the catalogs and do some individual dating before doing a tour. You can save money and still meet someone nice.

Thanks, very helpful.

[Maidenkj]

Hi,

Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?

I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.

Best,

DD

Dd,

This is how I started my journeys to Colombia 3 years ago. I've been on several trips through A Foreign Affair and Colombian Angels which is now http://www.Latingirldating.com. I had some good times and met some nice non pros. On the romance tours I found myself overwhelmed by so many women it was hard to choose only 1. Not too many guys find the 1 on their first tour. It usually takes several trips before that may happen. I also started finding that some non pros are up to no good just like the pros. I found out one girl I was writing for a couple of months before a trip was engaged three weeks before my arrival. That's when I started to mix mongering into my trips. Now I have a novia that's trying to get away from the night life and get regular work. I'll see how it goes. Luckily I have a couple of trustworthy friends monitoring her progress in English classes and work training programs. If you're in Medellin I would advise you to go to AFA or Latin Girl's office, look at the catalogs and do some individual dating before doing a tour. You can save money and still meet someone nice.