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[Jesi James]

It is VERY bad form to wave money in people's faces here. Not only can it get you robbed it really makes people think you are low class.

We are obviously having two different conversations here! I couldn't agree with you more. But if you are referring to any of my statements on this subject, you are completely mistaken. To each his own as our opinions and experiences differ, as do our manners of presentation of gifts to our friends.

Out and done on this subject.

[Bango Cheito]

I live in Colombia, work in Colombia for Colombian pesos and I side with Client 9 on this. It is VERY bad form to wave money in people's faces here. Not only can it get you robbed it really makes people think you are low class. Most non-pros in Colombia wouldn't even dare to ask for taxi money home. The last time I went out on the town with an amigovia here, I payed the cover 10k each and she paid 40k for the bottle before I could even stop her! Girls here who are not interesadas or prepagos want to make it 100% clear that they do NOT need your money, it's a pride thing.

And yes, "amistad" conjures up images of amigovios and amigos con derechos. Fuckbuddies. And most non-pros are looking for at least the POSSIBILITY of something serious, I really don't know why in this day and age but in that aspect they are just as tiresome as the AW.

I get the potential for action ALL THE TIME on my gigs but at least 90% of the girls are looking for a steady boyfriend and lose all interest in you if that's not on the table. I always tell them the truth, that I'm married and in an open relationship and would they be interested in a trio. Not many takers (although the ones that ARE takers are the best in the sack anyways I'm sure).

[Jesi James]

I can see some people doing it exactly like that. But a little discretion, like, here is some taxi money and a little extra to buy your baby, mother, grandmother a little gift for watching the baby. Something along those lines or I saw you looking at that dress, if you really want it go back with your girlfriends and buy it.

Done like this, I have had none pissed at me (over that), given it back, said it was too much or too little and all appreciated the gift. I have dated women of all estradas and professions here in my travels.

But I could see where some would say, oh by the way here is 50 K cop, thanks for fucking me. And those guys deserve what they get.

Just my opinion and my way of helping a friend.

Matter of fact, plenty of chicas (normal) may take offense to just handing them money when they're leaving ... insinuating.

Of course the pros/semi pros will take as much as you're willing to give.

[El Culion]

Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.

Knowing that I run the risk of turning this into a pissing contest I can’t refrain from reacting to the simplifications you broach.

Your post is brimming over with generalizations, and displays the same know-it-all attitude that you accuse others of.

I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.

I wonder how good you know Colombia and how many Colombians you have met apart from the women you’ve been with to express such over-confident swagger about Colombian culture.

If you’d looked it up in a Colombian Spanish dictionary such as Dictionario Norma Español, you would have found that the general meaning of ‘amistad’ isn’t any different in Colombia than in the rest of the Spanish-speaking world:
'afecto que une a las personas, 2. personas amigas.’

Probably there’s a simple explanation for your confusion. In Colombia sex ads in many newspapers are posted under the euphemistically termed umbrella caption ‘Amistad.’

After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men

It’s nearly 20 years that I have been travelling to Colombia. I lived in Cali and El Quindío for extended periods of time. There are few places in the country that I haven’t been to, and have met and rubbed shoulders with hundreds, maybe thousands, of Colombians.

However, I wouldn’t have the temerity of considering myself an expert on the mentality of Colombian women or Colombian culture like you do. When you’ve met enough Colombians you’ll find that they aren’t the cardboard characters you depict them to be, but as intricate as the people in your part of the world.

Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.

I can count the P4P encounters that I’ve had in all this time on the fingers of one hand, because Colombian girls are very open and inviting to foreigners. Speak the lingo, learn to dance salsa, look cool and dress sharply, go to Juanchito or Tienda Vieja, or any viejoteca for that matter, and you’ll find that you can easily score more regulars chicas than you can handle.

Get to know Colombianos better and you’ll find that like most people in poor countries all over the world many of them show a picaro, street-wise mentality when it comes to making an easy buck.

One of my friends uses to say ‘para el dinero baila el perro,’ and a joke showing that mentality, and very popular with Colombians, is the one about the daughter who has been abroad and after many years of complete isolation returns home to confess to her dad that she had been working as a high-class prostitute.

He indignantly shows her the door and accuses her of being a disgrace to the family, and tells her never to return.

He’s about to push her out and slam the door in her face when she tells him she can understand his anger and will do as he says, but that the sole purpose of her short visit had been to hand over the title deed of a luxurious bungalow she had bought for him and her mother, the bank pass of the account she had opened in their name with US$500,000 in it, the diamond necklace for her mother, the Rolex watch for him, and the papers of that brand new Porsche Carrere parked in front of the house.

He turns pale and asks her in a quiverring voice to tell him again what she had become. When she repeats ‘prostitute’, he replies:

- ¡Uf! Qué susto, había entendido ¡Protestante!

[Johny 99]

Though the spanish dialects are very different from Argentina to Medellin, Colombia, the basic Spanish phrases are pretty much the same.

For as good as you're going to get in spanish in 2 weeks, those phrases in The BA thread will be fine.

In Argentina, the use of 'Vos sos' (you are) is used primarily, in Colombia most often used is 'tu eres' (you are).

Though they each understand the other.

The rest is just fine :)

Have fun!

Thanks for the response! I have this silly image of my self flashing different index cards with pre filled out phrases in spanish on one side, and english on the other, at the girls to communicate.

[AddictedToWomen]

Colombian women are incapable of logic...

I think that the word "Colombian" is a tautology.

[Ricker]

False.

There are more than 20 million women in Colombia, and most of them are not prepagos or some other form of prostitute.

Matter of fact, plenty of chicas (normal) may take offense to just handing them money when they're leaving ... insinuating.

Of course the pros/semi pros will take as much as you're willing to give.

[Ricker]

You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.

I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.

After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.

It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.

Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.

As the Client here says, if you're trying to schmooze a normal Colombiana, use the 'relacion seria' wording, especially when you're first talking to her.

If you say that you're just looking for 'amistades', it could very easily be understood as looking for lovers.

As you get to know someone better, and gain her confidence a bit, you can more easily say you're looking for an 'amistad' with her and you'll be OK.

You do have to be careful though if you don't want her to get the wrong idea.

PS. Though I don't really know what a 'Colombia apologist' is, I sure hope I'm not one of them. hahaha :)

[Ricker]

I'm going to Medellin next month for the first time and I don't speak spanish. I downloaded one of those "Learn Spanish in two weeks" types of audio series. I am obviously not going to master the language in such a short time, but I figure it can only help with basic communication.

Obviously, the series will not help with many of the types of phrases one will need when dealing with the girls. I found a thread on Argentina Private which focuses on such phrases. (Here: http://www.argentinaprivate.com/foru...ead.php?t=1809 )

It is my understanding, that different spanish speaking countries can have different dialects to one degree or another. My basic question is: Are the spanish phrases from Argentina listed in the link above applicable to Columbia?

Though the spanish dialects are very different from Argentina to Medellin, Colombia, the basic Spanish phrases are pretty much the same.

For as good as you're going to get in spanish in 2 weeks, those phrases in The BA thread will be fine.

In Argentina, the use of 'Vos sos' (you are) is used primarily, in Colombia most often used is 'tu eres' (you are).

Though they each understand the other.

The rest is just fine :)

Have fun!

[Client 9]

They all want a little something in their purse or pocket as they leave.

False.

There are more than 20 million women in Colombia, and most of them are not prepagos or some other form of prostitute.

[Jesi James]

Opinions, not to be mistaken as gospel. Some truth, some experience, but please don't paint the whole house the same color. Most this and most that? Vague generalizations expected to be treated as fact. I disagree.

Oh, I speak Spanish, have traveled to Colombia, probably 20 times and do not just talk about it on the internet.

They all want a little something in their purse or pocket as the leave. Help me with the movie. We have already determined your business. We are now negotiating your price. I love Colombia. Simple and direct. Bid and offer. Colombian women are not gringas, well most outside of Medellin.

Having fun in Cali. The opinions expressed here are mine.

JES

You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.

I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.

After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.

It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.

Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.

[Johny 99]

I'm going to Medellin next month for the first time and I don't speak spanish. I downloaded one of those "Learn Spanish in two weeks" types of audio series. I am obviously not going to master the language in such a short time, but I figure it can only help with basic communication.

Obviously, the series will not help with many of the types of phrases one will need when dealing with the girls. I found a thread on Argentina Private which focuses on such phrases. (Here: http://www.argentinaprivate.com/foru...ead.php?t=1809 )

It is my understanding, that different spanish speaking countries can have different dialects to one degree or another. My basic question is: Are the spanish phrases from Argentina listed in the link above applicable to Columbia?

[Client 9]

It seems to them, when I start talking about friendship, they think I'm not serious about a relationship. However, I need female friends as sources of valuable info. In Argentina and Perú this was as important for the success of my travels as ULTRA was for The Allies.

You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.

I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.

After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.

It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.

Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.

[Mer07]

I'm preparing to stay in Colombia 5 months starting this fall and I will visit the country every year for approx. 3-7 months every year. That is the plan.

I have experienced females from Argentina and Perú essentially, but I have also encountered females from Brazil and Colombia.

The difference between porteñas, girls from Buenos Aires, and girls from Bogotá is striking. The colombian females are a little bit prettier, but much more open, as well are their sisters from Brazil. In the interior of Argentina the females are open as well, but the environment is boring. Peruvian girls and their sisters from Colombia are not always serious of course. Porteñas doesn't fell any need to look for a gringo for marriage. Buenos Aires is the capital of Latin America and equals NY/Paris/London. I'm a european farmer in their eyes!

Before getting to a country it is of great value to get to know some interesting girls.

Colombianas are so hot. It seems to them, when I start talking about friendship, they think I'm not serious about a relationship. However, I need female friends as sources of valueable info. In Argentina and Perú this was as important for the success of my travels as ULTRA was for The Allies.

To be cont.

[Daves Pison]

Police in Medellin are nice to gringos! Yes they're. But if they catched you with drugs is a different story my friend. This is true as it is. I don't want to give a bad advises but if you are in Medellin don't get in this predicament.

Enjoy paisas all the way.

Tom,

Please stop providing accurate info.

Your realism upsets the Colombia apologists.