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[World Travel 69]

Things are getting back to Almost normal.

Contact Jesus, he will let you know what's going on.

He is in Cali, WhatsApp: 57-323-586-6627.

How serious is this?

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[Vagabundo1]

How serious is this?

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[Nypher]

I was curious and went over my first old posts in this forum from many years ago. I noticed I had two encounters in Brazil where I ended up paying after the deed. I didn't even remember that. And given that at the time I was quite unexperienced, it surprised me how I even managed to do that! Told me that at the time the customs was still pay afterwards. This seems to be different in Colombia. Once I asked a girl out to indulge me on a long term multi day date, and I offered a price which she accepted. Then I said that of course we needed some contingency if we ended up hating each other's guts after a few minutes or an hour. So I said I'd pay in installments. An up-front for the effort of meeting me, then after some time together another installment, and then a daily installment so that there would always be a way for us to walk away without either one of us feeling cheated. This mirrored the 24 hour setup I had once with a Brazilian pro who I met on Badoo when SA didn't exist yet. It was very well done then, I paid her a piece after she picked me up from the airport, and then again after some good time, and then the rest. But that Colombiana, who totally let me down started arguing that she only works payment upfront, essentially expecting a 24 hour engagement to be paid up front. I said no way, because you already agreed to my scheme. Turns out many don't even pay attention to what you say. That's a bad sign to start with, because nothing that you think was agreed will be remembered..

I've had a few experiences with this and I would never pay up front again. , yours may be different than mine but I've had enough to dissuade me from doing so again. Every mistake I've made prepared me for the next chica.

I only pay after, and if they demand money upfront I just give them 20 K pesos max for taxi and tell them to leave.

My first experience was in DR where she demanded payment up front. She looked super hot, we were already in the apartment drinking so I didn't mind. When we got to the bedroom she demanded the money before she got undressed. She kept saying "dinero first pappi, dinero first".

Ok. I pay. She get undressed and starts BB Chupa, her teeth is scraping all up and down my joint so I stop her. I tell her perito, grab my condom and the smell that came from her box was out of this world. I tell her go tot he bathroom to wash up. She comes back, it still smells bad. But she already got my money and can't suck good. I told her this is my first leche off the plane and I want it to be good, took a loss, told her to leave.

Colombia. A week before I flew I matched with this chick on Tinder, all her pictures looked hot and we been talking almost daily on whatsapp. Then the day before I'm supposed to land I'm unmatched from Tinder and her profile photo disappeared from whatsapp and she's not responding to any of me messages. I head to the clock tower and surely enough I see her there and I approach her, she remembers me and I asked why she blocked me and she says allot of gringos just bullshit to get free pics and never actually come to Colombia. So since she see I'm for real she's sorry and will go with me, I didn't even have to negotiate even though she knew I was American she didn't give me the gringo price. We get back to the apartment, I'm excited, been waiting all week for this, she say pay upfront. Ok I pay, then tell her go shower. She comes out wrapped up in a towel. I go shower come out and all the lights are off, she's on the bed wrapped in the towel and under the covers. WTF!? So I turn on the lights pull all the covers off the bed, pull the towel off of her and she had this nasty black and blue mark going down her stomach that looked like a botched surgery and the skin is rottin. After seeing that I couldn't even get hard. So I just went for Chupa until I finished which took her about an hour. Even though I paid for TLN but it wasn't a crazy price I took the loss and told her to leave.

Colombia again. I matched with a girl on tinder again. I message her on whatsapp and she agreed to meet with me but it has to be early morning or late night and she can only do ST. I agreed. First night she shows up, 30 minutes late, I don't care, she's all natural and hot. Sucks me dry BBJCIM I didn't even get to hit but she took all my energy, I pay she leaves. Next day I hit her up she tell me she can't that night but she can see me in an hour. I agreed. She shows up late again, I don't care, I get to hit, its tight she's good, and when I was about to finish she caught all the leche in her mouth. I pay, she leaves. Third day I hit her up for same deal, she says she can't that day but she can the next day. No big deal, I head to the clocktower to get a fresh face, found one and decide to Cafe Del Mar for a few drinks and there she is with a gringo but she didn't see me. So I message her and let her know I see her on the wall in a joking way. She replies back the guy paid her to be with him for the week. So I asked her how were you seeing me then? She said she would just tell him she had an emergency at home and she have to go make sure everything is ok but will be back in an hour or two. So long story short she was with him told him a BS lie then come see me then go back to him. Meanwhile I'm watching him kissing her all in her mouth taking selfies. SMH. Gringo GFE ignorance I suppose. She shows up next day at my place same deal.

Colombia once more. Met this chick at Playa Hollywood. I take her back, she wants payment upfront. Ok I don't mind, I pay. We start out, chupa then I go to hit and her pussy feels like she's been shoving the whole Agulia can up there. I couldn't feel anything, her walls had no grip whatsoever. So I tell her its too loose o back to Chupa. She's saying I have to pay more because she only suck once then sex she don't suck twice. Since I was staying in El Laguito I took the loss and I put her ass out with the quickness walked around the corner and just grabbed another one.

More Colombia. Got a girl out of Space and I was staying in Getsemani. We agreed for a price for ST and walked over to the apartment. She say pay her up front, ok, then she got straight to the point. Everything is finished in 30 minutes. I wash up, I step out the shower, ready to go again, she's already dressed like WTF. She says she have an emergency at home, while she's on the phone talking her driver I hear her tell the Taxi a condo address I previously stayed at in El Lagito. SMH. So wile I was showering some gringo hit her up and told her to come see him, she gives me the excuse to cut my time short so she can go make more money, on top of that she wanted to wait inside the apartment until the taxi showed up out font, I told her "If our business is done then you don't need to be here" and put her ass right out and locked the door.

[JjBee62]

I was curious and went over my first old posts in this forum from many years ago. I noticed I had two encounters in Brazil where I ended up paying after the deed. I didn't even remember that. And given that at the time I was quite unexperienced, it surprised me how I even managed to do that! Told me that at the time the customs was still pay afterwards. This seems to be different in Colombia. Once I asked a girl out to indulge me on a long term multi day date, and I offered a price which she accepted. Then I said that of course we needed some contingency if we ended up hating each other's guts after a few minutes or an hour. So I said I'd pay in installments. An up-front for the effort of meeting me, then after some time together another installment, and then a daily installment so that there would always be a way for us to walk away without either one of us feeling cheated. This mirrored the 24 hour setup I had once with a Brazilian pro who I met on Badoo when SA didn't exist yet. It was very well done then, I paid her a piece after she picked me up from the airport, and then again after some good time, and then the rest. But that Colombiana, who totally let me down started arguing that she only works payment upfront, essentially expecting a 24 hour engagement to be paid up front. I said no way, because you already agreed to my scheme. Turns out many don't even pay attention to what you say. That's a bad sign to start with, because nothing that you think was agreed will be remembered.

But my question is: is it really true that Colombia is (now) more or less strictly a pay upfront culture? Or is that just a sign that you are about to be ripped off anyway? Like pay up front and then be annoying so that you end up kicking her out early? Even in Brazil I do not remember that pay afterwards was a thing I had done effortlessly in the past.

Except for most casas and strip clubs, payment is after. I don't recall any situation I've run into where I've had any issues with paying afterwards. In Spanish, siempre pago despues. I always pay after.

New Life casa, unless it's changed, you pay after, depending on the time you spent. Energy Spa I've been asked to pay before and I've been asked to pay after. Not sure what the standard is there.

I've found that when you're having trouble reaching an agreement with a girl the phrase "tal vez un otro día", maybe some other day, works well. It allows her to either accept what you're offering or walk away with no bad feelings. You can toss in "esta bien", it's okay, with it.

The last thing I want to do is get into an argument over payment, services or anything else. There's really nothing to be gained and you're wasting time that could be used to find someone who you can deal with. And often, once the girl realizes you've made your offer and are ready to walk, she'll come around.

[JustTK]

In the casas in central areas, its pay up front. But very rarely am I asked by a freelancer to pay upfront. And when I am, as you suspect, it is usually a scene of impending disaster. It seems to me that girls ask for upfront after guy (s) have refused to pay them. And you got to wonder why. In my experience I can suppose that it was bcos they were terrible service and the guy (s) threw them out. I have never had a great experience from paying a freelancer upfront. These days I either cancel immediately, or if I really fancy her I try to make a deal of x% upfront, balance paid afterwards. That kinda works bcos then you can still kick her if she is useless, but you have already given her enough for her troubles.

I was curious and went over my first old posts in this forum from many years ago. I noticed I had two encounters in Brazil where I ended up paying after the deed. I didn't even remember that. And given that at the time I was quite unexperienced, it surprised me how I even managed to do that! Told me that at the time the customs was still pay afterwards. This seems to be different in Colombia.

But my question is: is it really true that Colombia is (now) more or less strictly a pay upfront culture? Or is that just a sign that you are about to be ripped off anyway? Like pay up front and then be annoying so that you end up kicking her out early? Even in Brazil I do not remember that pay afterwards was a thing I had done effortlessly in the past.

[Stinky Squid]

I was curious and went over my first old posts in this forum from many years ago. I noticed I had two encounters in Brazil where I ended up paying after the deed. I didn't even remember that. And given that at the time I was quite unexperienced, it surprised me how I even managed to do that! Told me that at the time the customs was still pay afterwards. This seems to be different in Colombia. Once I asked a girl out to indulge me on a long term multi day date, and I offered a price which she accepted. Then I said that of course we needed some contingency if we ended up hating each other's guts after a few minutes or an hour. So I said I'd pay in installments. An up-front for the effort of meeting me, then after some time together another installment, and then a daily installment so that there would always be a way for us to walk away without either one of us feeling cheated. This mirrored the 24 hour setup I had once with a Brazilian pro who I met on Badoo when SA didn't exist yet. It was very well done then, I paid her a piece after she picked me up from the airport, and then again after some good time, and then the rest. But that Colombiana, who totally let me down started arguing that she only works payment upfront, essentially expecting a 24 hour engagement to be paid up front. I said no way, because you already agreed to my scheme. Turns out many don't even pay attention to what you say. That's a bad sign to start with, because nothing that you think was agreed will be remembered.

But my question is: is it really true that Colombia is (now) more or less strictly a pay upfront culture? Or is that just a sign that you are about to be ripped off anyway? Like pay up front and then be annoying so that you end up kicking her out early? Even in Brazil I do not remember that pay afterwards was a thing I had done effortlessly in the past.

[TheBMan]

You are making it too complicated. I think there is a simple solution. You can stay at Mansion.

Where is the mansion located? Are we talking about Loutron?

[DoomBringer321]

A case for a different choice.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...258&viewfull=1#post2567258.

[Stinky Squid]

Thanks for setting my head straight. All good points indeed.

[Mojo Bandit]

How about organizing a "house party"? Let's say get together with 3 colleagues here and rent a nice place with 3 bedrooms. .

Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.

. The best parties come together spontaneously, when the right people met it can happen, but don't force anything. Many times when I met a strange chic for the first time I broom them before I even kiss them and almost always after I shoot my load. I can't imagine the train wreck that could ensue having 5 or 6 strangers roaming around my apartment unchecked. Remember Squid your not in Kansas anymore.

If you are talking about getting some of your friends or coworkers together and heading down to Medellin then fine, this has been done several times that I have heard of and they had a great time.

But if you are talking about trying to get some mongers together who never met off of the board and then getting some chicas then there are several things that could go bad and probably will. The mongers themselves may not get along, some things that I have heard about include some monger may get jealous because another monger is into the chica that you are with, some monger may get it in their head that they are over paying for something, be it the accomidation becuase their room is smaller or the party supplies because they only drank 5 beers etc etc,. Then there is that awful chance that you get bad blood going on between the chicas, and these are Colombianas. Passionate Colombianas and so they may figuratively speaking stink the whole place up because they are jealous of some other chica.

Prostitution is legal in Colombia, but there are some vaguely stated laws about "promoting prostitution " so there is an outside chance of the police getting wind and that might be a problem. Granted I would think that was very much an outside chance.

There are gringo parties where lots of chicas show up, I know because chicas have told me about them. I have not seen any postings from a particular Board Member who was living in Medellin and was posting regular a while back but he shared links from Facebook showing "Finca" party (s)? With many chicas and many gringos. That may also have been as far out from Medellin as Guatap. Fincas being places out in the country like a farm. This is probably also an attractive type of spot because most Airbnb places will explicitly state "no parties".

I was talking to a couple of particularly hot chicas once who made me an offer that both of them would spend all night with me if I would throw a Finca party for their friends 18th birthday. I was not going to throw a party for a bunch of barely of age people, no sir. Too much could go wrong.

Make a few trips to Colombia, learn which chicas party together and get along. See if any board members are interested in meeting up for a drink and see if you get along etc, In other words have a network of people that you have gotten to know and feel would vibe well together. Then start talking about a party.

[Phuket90]

How about organizing a "house party"? Let's say get together with 3 colleagues here and rent a nice place with 3 bedrooms. Then gather 3 to 6 semi pro chicas. Have everyone STD tested and verify the chicas are on birth control (ideally by injection), bring all supplies and then have fun for a week or however long. We might even get some filming equipment and be like a film crew. That might make these girls even more enthusiastic. Should be no problem to find local talent, or, depending on the venue, even bring some Venezolanas. Not easy to travel to VE, but I hear it's not too difficult for them to travel out of VE. This could be done in a nice place like San Andre. Now leaving the scope of CO, but continuing the thought, in the Dominica Republic (VE to DR travel is easy). If Trinidad & Tobago was open it could be done there.

I don't know anyone here personally and I would not do this with just everyone. There needs to be some trust, for example, that none of the people get all drunk or argumentative or otherwise batshit crazy. There would have to be a certain gentleman's agreement and some rules. And we'd have to meet and get to know each other in person first. And as for in person, that's the downside with importing unknown girls from VE, but perhaps one could audition them over a video chat.

Since I am planning to be in CO for a longer period, I am thinking seriously about it. The benefit of a longer term arrangement is that it is way more relaxing and one can have variety and plenty and the costs of the nice villa or penthouse apartment can be shared. This STD testing plus a few days quarantine would have the benefit that one could do the bareback, which is so much nicer.

Thinking some more, I would be very interested to do this with guys who, like me, are digital nomads, and would, besides the playing, also like to get some work in. It's been always my special dream to do the digital work while a chica hangs out in my lap or gives me a massage. Or lazy at the pool.

Clear case of human trafficking LOL. Esp. With the situation now in VE.

Seriously?

[Nounce]

Tell me more, I'm all ears.

You are making it too complicated. I think there is a simple solution. You can stay at Mansion.

[LatinaLover#1]

Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.

LMAO Hey Squid, are you trying to be High Heffner? This is funny. Sounds like you want to have a Festa, I've had a few in Brazil that were great but not my first trip to Brazil. Best you walk before you run. Don't over pack or plan for your first trip. Find one or two girls you really like. Do a repeat if you like being with them, if they are really cool. Find a few restaurants you like and bring a few outfits and toys for the girls and have fun.

IMHO I would never invite 3 or 4 complete strange women I never met before to my place for a week. The best parties come together spontaneously, when the right people met it can happen, but don't force anything. Many times when I met a strange chic for the first time I broom them before I even kiss them and almost always after I shoot my load. I can't imagine the train wreck that could ensue having 5 or 6 strangers roaming around my apartment unchecked. Remember Squid your not in Kansas anymore.

[JjBee62]

Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.

At least he'll be able to use the carpool lane.

Tell me more, I'm all ears.

Let's start with getting 3 guys together. I've met some great guys from ISG, guys who I enjoy hanging out with, guys who have become good friends, but spending 24/7 with them might be stretching things a bit. It would probably be okay for a couple of days, with the right guys, but then it starts to get difficult. One guy might be a bit messy. One might keep a much different schedule. Have you ever tried to sleep, when you're completely exhausted and someone is having loud, noisy sex 15 feet away? That's without getting into the issues when 2 guys both want the same girl.

Then there are the girls. You're unlikely to find semi pros in Colombia who will be excited about spending several days with strangers who want to take video of everything. The ones who might get excited about that are already doing webcam work. You're also going to run into problems finding girls who will all be up for being passed around. Not to mention throwing 3 to 6 strangers together and expecting them all to get along.

Of course, one of the biggest risks is when the girls decide to rob you. You and whoever else are likely to wake up and realize everything is gone, possibly including the TV's in your rental house. With 6 girls you can't watch them all, all the time.

There's more. Venezuelans? Colombia is already full of them. No need to import or export them from Venezuela. I assume you think you can get them cheaper, but by the time you pay roundtrip airfare, plus the time spent just finding them, you're spending more and getting complete unknown girls. How do you convince them to fly somewhere to meet up with complete strangers? Most likely by paying in advance, and after they have the money, why get on a plane?

I could easily find another 100 areas where problems could crop up, but I can't find any benefits to make it worth the risks. If I want 2 or 3 girls, for 2 or 3 days, I can easily arrange it. If I want to spend time with other mongers, easily done. If I want to take video, still easy. If I want something fancier than where I'm staying, Motel Ibiza is always there. I can have my fun and not have to deal with roommates while I'm having it.

[Stinky Squid]

Sounds like you are trying to take the road to disaster.

Tell me more, I'm all ears.