Bogota Reports

[DonCarlos1234]

So I started with about 200 conversations over a year and a half or so. I guess that yielded like 40 dates. 30 were ho types or I just was not interested in pursuing them. There were 10 or so that I pursued, and of those, there were like 5 or so that were sugar baby material IMO and then the one distinguished herself. I would say the average woman was a 7 or 8 in looks and I was with what I would call two 10's and two 9's. On average, the seeking women were not as skilled in bed as hos but most were willing to go bare. Of course, I picked out the best performing women in bed so those women on average were better than girls.

I think I was patient because the odds are even worse in the USA, and it was actually easier there than here. Don Carlos put out a wider net, spent more time in Colombia than I did, and he caught more than I did as I would expect.

I like how you described it as work, and it is not easy. I also like how you say it is kind of hard to go back to WGs after you have done seeking. I totally agree with that too.

My friend Elvis. And the board members. Happy New Years! I have scheduled 6 weeks in Colombia and just now beginning to feel it's not enough time. Yes I found some 50 girls total in or near three major cities (Not Cartagena) I know ½ won't show up, nor be perfect 10's or will disappear before I get there. Here's the rub. This took me nearly 5 days on line and it's not done yet. Still need to close the deal. And I will have to fly around to 3 or 4 cities. That is way too much! Interviewing this many is also crushing work. I am considering have 2 places to stay, 2 phones, maybe 3. LOL.

So I messaged a couple hot ho's I know for back up to relieve this awful stress searching for girls on SA. LOL I will probably look up my 2 bilingual guides so we can just go straight to Santa Fe, Poblado and Girls Club. This is hard work and that stress builds up. I understand why you would want to just pay and play, just to relieve the stress of chasing.

I have found girls beyond 10's in looks to hook up with in Colombia. In the USA sadly 1 or 2 every 5-10 years. Not as hot. Here is the philosophical question. WHY? Is finding and being with the most gorgeous women I can find so important? What good is a penis if you don't use it? Why does porn make so much money?

So if I end up with ONE girl (which I already have) in Bogota. I am way ahead of what I would accomplish in any other county or situation.

Elvis how and where do you interview multiple candidates? Online? WS? Restaurants?

[Pussycat123]

I like them young and fresh, ideally in the 18-23 yo range. Most of the girls of this age are unemployed, or have shitty low paying job, or study, and many live with their parents. Let's be realistic here, 95%+ SA girls in MDE and BOG of that age are hos, they expect to get paid, because nobody wants to fuck an old gringo fart for free. If they just want to get a good dick and not get paid, they have plenty of options among their Colombian peers. Hooking up with the above mentioned professionals is doable only if you are okay with dating older women, not the hottest ones, most likely divorced and with kids. You also need to be ready to invest some time in those women as many won't fuck you on the first date. Average gringo monger coming to Colombia is average or below average looking, usually out of shape, older dude who has limited time and budget. Dating a professional is not even feasible to them, and the language barrier makes it even worse. Unless you speak Spanish, look fit, are relatively young, spend a lot of time in Colombia and have some disposable cash, dating a hot freebies / non-pro who "can't get enough of your dick" is impossible. Again, I'm talking about an average monger. Elvis, if you can pull it off, congrats, good for you, but I'm sure your situation is different and you are not an average gringo coming down to Colombia for a few days. So suggesting not to discuss price / gifts upfront, or not offer to pay (in other words, treating them like they are not hos but regular women) won't get a monger laid, simply because the girls will not be interested in meeting, that's the reality.

Facts.

Very insightful analysis of the situation.

[ClownDays]

So I started with about 200 conversations over a year and a half or so.

This is why most people have shitty SA / Facebook / Tinder / Badoo / Cupid dates and experiences. They are unwilling to do the mountain of work it takes to have a great experience.

[Xzander75]

Hello,

I'm looking to meet a fellow monger to go on the hunt. I'll be 2 week in Bogota, 2 week in Medellin, and 1 month in Cartagena.

My Spanish si not perfect but I can get any thing I want.

Send me a message if interested.

[Igor54]

I tried to buy a girl from online agency in Bogota. That was a slow chatting and it was obvious that they are looking for an available girl. Finally I said no, and ordered from photoprepagos. The next day, I texted to a random girl on photoprepagos. She was going to come, but in 10 min she texted that she checked my number somewhere and my phone number had negative reviews that is why she canceled. I can connect it only to the agency. Any suggestions where they posted their review?

[Elvis 2008]

I got numbers from around 10 girls before my trip, a few I was really excited about. A few were out of town etc. And so far, I have only met 3, and had varying levels of success. You can get great outcomes, but I've also had to invest a fair bit of time.

So I started with about 200 conversations over a year and a half or so. I guess that yielded like 40 dates. 30 were ho types or I just was not interested in pursuing them. There were 10 or so that I pursued, and of those, there were like 5 or so that were sugar baby material IMO and then the one distinguished herself. I would say the average woman was a 7 or 8 in looks and I was with what I would call two 10's and two 9's. On average, the seeking women were not as skilled in bed as hos but most were willing to go bare. Of course, I picked out the best performing women in bed so those women on average were better than girls.

I think I was patient because the odds are even worse in the USA, and it was actually easier there than here. Don Carlos put out a wider net, spent more time in Colombia than I did, and he caught more than I did as I would expect.

I like how you described it as work, and it is not easy. I also like how you say it is kind of hard to go back to WGs after you have done seeking. I totally agree with that too.

[Jazzy Daddy]

Longer Report.

I've spent many-ier hour looking through posts on this forum and reading of legendary trips which I hoped to emulate. From stories of picking up non-pros to the legendary epic with Tiffany and other 'keepers' and basically anything by Vangabudo in Rio.

I think I've explored more options than I have ever before. Here's a rough play by play. Think it makes more sense to break down by 'scene' than by time.

Tinder / SA / other apps.

Perhaps controversial to ground tinder with SA. However, I have actually found a few of my Tinder dates on SA, so there's a bit of (but obviously not complete) overlap.

I've had a fair bit of success this trip with non-pros and have met 4 girls from Tinder / other apps and 3 from SA. I set my location on all apps to Bogota a few ahead of my trip and starting swiping and messaging. Very wide funnel initially, into only a few potential dates, and even fewer actual. The tinder girls never asked for anything, but I usually offer to pay for food, drinks etc.

In one notable case, I also offered to help her with a few (significant) things because she was struggling. SA for me is usually more business, most girls stated a clear amount they're after. You can definitely get higher quality girls, with established careers etc, which appeals to me. But, also makes it a bit harder to take them travelling. But, the strong emotional connection is obviously much more reward, and to be honest, harder to leave behind. I am supposed to leave Bogota this week. I change my mind twice a day on whether I want to extend out this leg of the trip.

I know there's a lot of debate around SA lately, my person view is it's a platform that can be many things. Some guys use to get free dates, leveraging their success. You obviously have to be both successful and fairly good looking to pull this off, and even then, there are only some girls that would be open to this. If you're open to the business side, then your pool opens up, and this is obviously the avenue most people take. But it doesn't have to be exclusively one or the other. I've even had a girl talk business initially and then change their mind after meeting me in person.

I got numbers from around 10 girls before my trip, a few I was really excited about. A few were out of town etc. And so far, I have only met 3, and had varying levels of success. You can get great outcomes, but I've also had to invest a fair bit of time.

As a final note, the completely non-pro scene is also interesting. I asked out a few regular girls and was surprised that they could be quite receptive. YMMV, obviously.

Santa Fe.

I initially wrote off the street scene, but due to the time of the year, the clubs were often slow, and the street scene often had more options. However, to be honest, because of the scenes available, I actually didn't actually fancy many girls in Santa Fe. I never thought I'the say this, but the environment became challenging for me very quickly, and a girl had to really catch my eye after my first night.

I really enjoyed doing the laps with other members of the board of the area. On my first night, I really indulged and picked out 4/5 girls, and got a few numbers. But to date, haven't really lined anything up. Some girls were going out of town, some others my interest just fizzled with.

The main reason is because it just feels more natural with girls from apps or SA. The interactions were obviously different. Even Semi-pros were all very new, and the dates felt better, and I got further mileage as well, even if it was more expensive than 50 k.

Love to club environment though still. It's been quiet lately, there have been more guys than girls in the clubs when I've visited, with slim pickings. Other members I've been with tells me that it is usually much, much better and I believe them. I am eager to go again, in new year once things are closer to normal. I knew this was what I would be up again before coming.

Casas / Mezzanine.

Ever suffering from FOMO, I did a circuit of the casas and mezzanine. I thought mezzanine was better than the casas, however, had mostly the same drawbacks as SF.

In some cases for Mezzanine, the rooms were even smaller though. As I think is well known. I didn't through many doors at mezzanine, and definitely wasn't disappointed, but because of how spoilt I've become from the non-scene, it didn't quite feel as good to me as it would have in past trips.

The quality at the casas were really low to me, and I struggled to find anything, and only one girl caught my eye.

Thank you bringing the conversation back to informative reports and away from all this self aggrandizing gossip. "Nice work if you can get it and you can get it if you try".

[ManchesterCat]

Longer Report.

I've spent many-ier hour looking through posts on this forum and reading of legendary trips which I hoped to emulate. From stories of picking up non-pros to the legendary epic with Tiffany and other 'keepers' and basically anything by Vangabudo in Rio.

I think I've explored more options than I have ever before. Here's a rough play by play. Think it makes more sense to break down by 'scene' than by time.

Tinder / SA / other apps.

Perhaps controversial to ground tinder with SA. However, I have actually found a few of my Tinder dates on SA, so there's a bit of (but obviously not complete) overlap.

I've had a fair bit of success this trip with non-pros and have met 4 girls from Tinder / other apps and 3 from SA. I set my location on all apps to Bogota a few ahead of my trip and starting swiping and messaging. Very wide funnel initially, into only a few potential dates, and even fewer actual. The tinder girls never asked for anything, but I usually offer to pay for food, drinks etc.

In one notable case, I also offered to help her with a few (significant) things because she was struggling. SA for me is usually more business, most girls stated a clear amount they're after. You can definitely get higher quality girls, with established careers etc, which appeals to me. But, also makes it a bit harder to take them travelling. But, the strong emotional connection is obviously much more reward, and to be honest, harder to leave behind. I am supposed to leave Bogota this week. I change my mind twice a day on whether I want to extend out this leg of the trip.

I know there's a lot of debate around SA lately, my person view is – it's a platform that can be many things. Some guys use to get free dates, leveraging their success. You obviously have to be both successful and fairly good looking to pull this off, and even then, there are only some girls that would be open to this. If you're open to the business side, then your pool opens up, and this is obviously the avenue most people take. But it doesn't have to be exclusively one or the other. I've even had a girl talk business initially and then change their mind after meeting me in person.

I got numbers from around 10 girls before my trip, a few I was really excited about. A few were out of town etc. And so far, I have only met 3, and had varying levels of success. You can get great outcomes, but I've also had to invest a fair bit of time.

As a final note, the completely non-pro scene is also interesting. I asked out a few regular girls and was surprised that they could be quite receptive. YMMV, obviously.

Santa Fe.

I initially wrote off the street scene, but due to the time of the year, the clubs were often slow, and the street scene often had more options. However, to be honest, because of the scenes available, I actually didn't actually fancy many girls in Santa Fe. I never thought I'the say this, but the environment became challenging for me very quickly, and a girl had to really catch my eye after my first night.

I really enjoyed doing the laps with other members of the board of the area. On my first night, I really indulged and picked out 4/5 girls, and got a few numbers. But to date, haven't really lined anything up. Some girls were going out of town, some others my interest just fizzled with.

The main reason is because it just feels more natural with girls from apps or SA. The interactions were obviously different. Even Semi-pros were all very new, and the dates felt better, and I got further mileage as well, even if it was more expensive than 50 k.

Love to club environment though still. It's been quiet lately, there have been more guys than girls in the clubs when I've visited, with slim pickings. Other members I've been with tells me that it is usually much, much better and I believe them. I am eager to go again, in new year once things are closer to normal. I knew this was what I would be up again before coming.

Casas / Mezzanine.

Ever suffering from FOMO, I did a circuit of the casas and mezzanine. I thought mezzanine was better than the casas, however, had mostly the same drawbacks as SF.

In some cases for Mezzanine, the rooms were even smaller though. As I think is well known. I didn't through many doors at mezzanine, and definitely wasn't disappointed, but because of how spoilt I've become from the non-scene, it didn't quite feel as good to me as it would have in past trips.

The quality at the casas were really low to me, and I struggled to find anything, and only one girl caught my eye.

[LuvMexicanas]

This works other ways. Depends on what the person is looking for. There are tons of chicks saying dudes do not want a good woman. They just want a hole to fuck sometimes. Are those dudes stupid the same as the chicks that just want the $100 and run? Everybody is not in search of a long time anything. Short money and short time are just what the doctor ordered for some people.

Exactly, I pay her to leave. I have plenty of money but an inverse amount of time.

[Elvis 2008]

This works other ways. Everybody is not in search of a long time anything. Short money and short time are just what the doctor ordered for some people.

You are right, but you are on that site for an arrangement, the long term. So if I dis the woman for not taking my offer, it could be she is not interested in long term, which means she is being dishonest for being on the site or she is stupid.

I get that a lot of women have tons of reasons to reject a long term and long distance relationship. In fact, a lot of women are on the site because it is more discrete. They just want a time or two that they can meet a guy and cash in. What I have learned is that a lot of the women doing this are with guys they like / love, but they just want a few extra bucks and seeing a guy off seeking is the easiest way to do it without being labeled a ho (even though that is what they are doing).

If you are a woman who needs a guy to be there all the time, and many do, what I am offering is not a better offer than what they already have.

[DramaFree11]

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[LatinaLover#1]

You let the trolls in with this one. LL, yes it takes money to buy a gift for a woman's kid, but you are negating the kind thought you had in buying the gift and the fact you were trying to make the child and child's mother happy. Money may get them into bed, but quality companionship is what gets them to stay. You are discounting that too about yourself.

To the rest of the guys interested in it, think about what you are shooting for in being a sugar daddy. If you really get down to it, a person could say a father is just there to give his daughter money but with proper direction right? It costs money to put a roof over her head and food on the table.

It is okay to do that because you are investing in your child. But if you are giving a kid money, and the kid takes it and snorts it all, you probably were better off getting a ho.

I usually do not have to explain it to women but when I am acting as sugar daddy, I am saying I will use my paternal skills and giving them my wisdom, guidance, company, and financial support and they in turn provide company, support, and sex, and this agreement is based on trust and hopefully it will evolve into a form of love. And I am sure you have a similar attitude.

Again, I am not even offering this to everyone, and the best women did not even get an offer. They just wanted to be around me and knew I would care for them.

I know the hos are just interested in cash and I am aware that some are going to pretend to be sugar babies to string me along. That is why I was always on the outlook for better or more solid prospects. I stopped when I found one and thought an upgrade over her was not possible.

I was trying to show that there is an alternative to working girl fucking by the hour and a better experience with an educated stylish woman, that even a dweeb from the states can get a non pro / chipper with a little knowledge and a different mind set to make it happen. IF he WANTS IT! If it's not for you and not interested, skip over the post.

I was clear in stating that the 'by the hour' working girls have a place in this hobby, and some guys like it that way. Nothing wrong with that. I was like that years ago but I found as time went on, Help, Balcony, Del Rey, Las Cucardas in Lima got very, very old. I should have kept my big mouth shut and realized that some guys can't and won't accept other types of hobbying, so I'm lying, embellishing, etc. Not sure how much longer I'll be at this hobby, I don't get many hall passes these days but I thought some of my brothers could benefit from my experiences. I have a super Colombiana, We have been serious for the last 4 years and she will soon come to live with me in the USA for her post graduate studies. My future contributions to this form will be limited in the future. I wish ALL my brothers the best trips in the future and be safe.

[Igor54]

Yes. But it did not say giving money. It could be as little as the perception that you have access to money that is the aphrodisiac. If you want more pussy then spend more money on yourself.

Don't be greedy they charged you 10 to 20 bucks. It is probably less than to pay for online porn.

[Igor54]

I know a few guys who let their SOs into their legal, business secrets.

When the relationships turned sour, the women used everything they knew, or could guess, to turn their mates' lives into hell with serious legal, criminal, financial problems. Then they add the children sex abuse charges. They would go to total war without seeing any gain, deplete assets to pay attorneys, then go broke near the end, begging the attorneys to fuck to offset legal fees, pop by pop. I would think twice about letting a woman control the nuclear football on Airforce 1 that can launch nuclear warheads, especially on days she's on the rag hehe.

Don't expect your SOs to always be honest and play fair with you. They won't when they are pissed off, sometimes even by petty issues. Don't let them into secrets that can cause problems. They can be far worse, more dangerous and more damaging than any thieving WG.

This is 1000% real life. Print out and read to memories by heart.

[Elvis 2008]

I would add to this by saying confidence is right up there with money (or the illusion thereof) as the world's greatest aphrodisiac. When you have and employ both skillfully, you are slaying them right and left.

Exactly. And it is funny, there was this marine biologist studying which fish in an African lake became alpha. He made this joke that it was tomato cans. What he meant was that there is boxing reference that you beat up less skilled boxers to get your confidence up before taking on the champ. What he found was with each victory, conference rose as did testosterone. I think that is what guys need to do. Go for the 6's and 7's and land them before you take on the 10's.

But I really do not like the whole alpha thing. What I found with the alpha types is they never admit failure and do not learn from it. It is always, "Eh, I was not really trying to get that girl" when they get shot down. I found myself more identifying with the omega male who sets his own path rather than ruling over others. I do not want to be responsible for a pack of betas.

Where my confidence comes from is my total package which includes me but is not just me but the world I am letting you into and everyone you will meet and see in it. It also comes from seeing women become smarter and better before my eyes. So I am interviewing for the position of sugar baby, and I might not want you because there is a better candidate or I have better right now. You might not measure up.

But if am interested in you, and you say, "Nah, I just want $100" I think you are stupid because my sugar babies do much better financially in the long run than the hos do. And how many times have you talked to a ho with a plan?

The better women want not just money but to learn how to best deploy it. I think 3 in 4 hot Colombian women if you gave them $10,000 would be broke a year later.