Bogota Reports

[TalkYes]

I understand the thinking too whether it is correct or not is a different matter. If you are a monger, you fall into one of two categories: either you realize American sex prison policies are bullshit or you believe it and feel guilty about it. The first few times I did this and was not faithful to my ex-wife, I considered myself a loser. So I went through things researched a ton and realized that my behavior was normal. Monogamy was not a Biblical or Christian construct but a response to syphilis in the 1500's. This is also when sexuality and morality really came into play because syphilis may be as bad a disease as there is with some people.

Given the history of the Catholic Church, which actually ran brothels prior to syphilis hitting Europe, the whole concept of the church in charge of sexuality is kind of absurd, but they took over the role of deciding what was normal with sexuality and morality. With that comes an enormous amount of power. So when penicillin comes around and is readily available and cures syphilis did the church come out and say "You all can fuck like bunnies now?" Of course not. Shoot, church leaders and political leaders probably were probably preaching monogamy came from Christ. But eventually people saw that others were having sex and not dying. This led to the free love era of the 60's and 70's right, and abortion being legalized in 1973 was a sexual freedom movement as well. If people were dropping dead with syphilis, I do not think abortion would have been legalized.

So if you are in church or government, what do you do if you want to retain or assume more power with the power associated with sexuality, what do you do now? Well, you designate some diseases as being sexual and associate guilt with them..

Nobody ever said that DFK was completely safe, or if they did then it wasn't me. But strep throat goes away. And anything permanent you can get from kissing you pretty much have a zero chance of getting unless you have a cut or open sore. I'm seeing a lot of mental gymnastics going on on this board from people trying to shake off guilt. All I said is that it's not a lot to expect for someone to wait a week or two after fucking cheap street hookers without a condom before they fuck regular girls without a condom. While I agree that the church and the government overstates the risk of disease, that doesn't mean that it's all based on a big lie. People do get AIDS and other uncurable diseases and comparing them to a strep throat is just a sign that you're too far gone to be reasoned with. I'm starting to realize that a willingness to pay for sex is not enough of a commonality for people to share a forum together.

[Elvis 2008]

About STD, I think I understand your thinking. I had a long term SB last year and we both had STD check before. She is an US expat working in the country that I was in at the time. She can be considered a regular girl because she has a good paying job and does not have much experience about sex. I was actually worrying about giving her STD the whole time for that reason.

I understand the thinking too whether it is correct or not is a different matter. If you are a monger, you fall into one of two categories: either you realize American sex prison policies are bullshit or you believe it and feel guilty about it. The first few times I did this and was not faithful to my ex-wife, I considered myself a loser. So I went through things researched a ton and realized that my behavior was normal. Monogamy was not a Biblical or Christian construct but a response to syphilis in the 1500's. This is also when sexuality and morality really came into play because syphilis may be as bad a disease as there is with some people.

Given the history of the Catholic Church, which actually ran brothels prior to syphilis hitting Europe, the whole concept of the church in charge of sexuality is kind of absurd, but they took over the role of deciding what was normal with sexuality and morality. With that comes an enormous amount of power. So when penicillin comes around and is readily available and cures syphilis did the church come out and say "You all can fuck like bunnies now?" Of course not. Shoot, church leaders and political leaders probably were probably preaching monogamy came from Christ. But eventually people saw that others were having sex and not dying. This led to the free love era of the 60's and 70's right, and abortion being legalized in 1973 was a sexual freedom movement as well. If people were dropping dead with syphilis, I do not think abortion would have been legalized.

So if you are in church or government, what do you do if you want to retain or assume more power with the power associated with sexuality, what do you do now? Well, you designate some diseases as being sexual and associate guilt with them. You elevated a nothing disease like herpes into this horrible condition. That did not work too well so then there is HIV and AIDS, and that worked for a while. Thing is eventually people figured out that they could have sex and not die of syphilis and straight people could have sex without condoms and not die of AIDS.

So I got strep throat once from kissing a stripper. I was sick as hell for 5 days, but you said you were only worried about a sexual disease and Strep throat is not listed as one. Why were you not worried about strep? Because the government is dictating to you with certain diseases it is your fault with spreading it and other ones there is not. Is that logical? Fuck no. It is designed for power. Why else would you associate disease with sex?

So the whole concept that goes on in the monger world that DFK is safe and BBFS is risky is based on the government campaign on AIDS, and the irony is that the CDC actually lied about the AIDS numbers, and they admitted it. The chairman for the CDC admitted there was no downside to inflating the AIDS numbers and in 1996, with a stroke of the pen, they cut the numbers in half. The concept that DFK is safe and BBFS is not is not logical; it is literally batshit crazy.

So yeah, I get the fear. If you are at the stage you still feel guilt about your sexuality, it makes sense to me to be afraid. However, that is an illogical fear. Why are you afraid of spreading disease with sex and not in other ways? Why are you more worried about sexual diseases than other ones?

If you are rejecting the government's advice on prostitution, why are you accepting it with regards to sex and diseases? Well, maybe you are not okay with your sexuality and feel guilty about it.

It is amazing though you accept giving a disease to someone else as being all your fault. The government says you are a bad boy, and you go along with it. You are conditioned to take on something if a woman feels badly. How do you know the STD came from you and not someone else? Better yet, how do you know it is from you and not from her having a shitty immune system because of her lifestyle choices?

So we have a monger on here being a white knight to the working girls which is funny right? To cure STDs, men need to change. LOL. That is why the USA is a sex prison. What do you think would happen if I went to the stripper and said, "Hey, you gave me strep throat?

[John Clayton]

LOL. They shit on the girls. Rich mfs don't have anything else to do with their money. Just google emirates shit on women...

I think in '91 I was the only person rooting for Sadaam because I hated the emiratis and kuwaitis so much.

[Mr Enternational]

Meaning, they'd pay to let a girl shit on them -- or they would pay to shit on the girl? (Seems like a strange thing to do, either way).

LOL. They shit on the girls. Rich mfs don't have anything else to do with their money. Just google emirates shit on women.

"Anonymous IG Model Breaks Down How Much Money She Makes Going To Dubai To Get Pooped On".

[John Clayton]

...It is the same with the middle east guys flying chicks in to let them number 2 on them...

Meaning, they'd pay to let a girl shit on them -- or they would pay to shit on the girl? (Seems like a strange thing to do, either way).

[Mr Enternational]

Dude,

I don't know why you're making this more complicated than it is. Your steakhouse vs McDonalds example does not apply within the context of anything I said,

All I am saying is that when people pay more, they expect more. You are talking like $10 Santa Fe chicks pull out all the stops when they don't. You see all the time reports saying they had to pay extra for this that and the other at casas and the like.

Guys are not paying $90 per month for a subscription plus top money to these chicks to be limited in what they will do and be centavoed and pesoed for extras. The extras are coming with the price of admission.

It is the same with the middle east guys flying chicks in to let them number 2 on them. Those are not $10 Santa Fe chicks agreeing to be shit on believe it or not. Those are chicks that probably not many of us on this board can afford.

[Nounce]

The fact of the matter is, seeking.com is not an escort site. There are regular girls on there and also amateurs who are asking for money but thinking of it as a sugardaddy arrangement where they are being selective with their clients. It's different than pros. Part of the reason they are selective is because they assume that the types of guys willing to pay $90 a month for a subscription on top of whatever their own rate is, are not the same types of guys barebacking $10 hookers. So yeah, maybe there is some responsibility for them to take when they make such assumptions, but don't try to act like my thought process is completely backwards for having a bit of empathy.

I think most members here use it like an escort site in the form of PPM which works like calling an escort. Most girls on seeking are looking for mutually beneficial relationship which is just a nicer way to ask for money in exchange for sex. Yes, you can find regular girls but most of them still want a mutually beneficial relationship that involves money for whatever reason. Some don't want money but those are not the norm.

I don't know who is picking who. There are so many of them, if the girl is difficult or ask too many questions, I just say "Next".

I think most regular girls don't know SD has to pay to be able to contact them. They are also paying far less than SD to be a Premium member. About STD, I think I understand your thinking. I had a long term SB last year and we both had STD check before. She is an US expat working in the country that I was in at the time. She can be considered a regular girl because she has a good paying job and does not have much experience about sex. I was actually worrying about giving her STD the whole time for that reason.

[TalkYes]

I don't know in which sense you are using pros. In the sense that I use it, it means hookers. The definition of hooker is someone exchanging sex for money. If don't matter if they are fucking in a 5th Avenue Penthouse or in Santa Fe. I think the Arrangement part in the title signifies that the man will be giving the woman money.

Are you doubting these men are getting the sex in return? Are you asserting that once a woman on this website encounters 1 arrangement, that they are not seeking others? You think it is a lot to ask? Again, they are free to turn down his offer and are not forced into these things. And get this.. ANY woman can sign up on SA, not just those you think fit certain criteria. So how do you know the chick I fucked in Santa Fe for $10 is not on SA selling some other guy pussy for ten times that?

I also think you have the game backwards. If you go to McDonald's you pretty much expect a teenager to be throwing your shit into a bag. If you go to a steakhouse then you will expect people to be bending over backwards for you because you are paying a lot more money for that ribeye and wine than the Big Mac and Diet Coke.

Dude,

I don't know why you're making this more complicated than it is. Your steakhouse vs McDonalds example does not apply within the context of anything I said, it seems like an unrelated tangent triggered by something I said that you don't like. The fact of the matter is, seeking.com is not an escort site. There are regular girls on there and also amateurs who are asking for money but thinking of it as a sugardaddy arrangement where they are being selective with their clients. It's different than pros. Part of the reason they are selective is because they assume that the types of guys willing to pay $90 a month for a subscription on top of whatever their own rate is, are not the same types of guys barebacking $10 hookers. So yeah, maybe there is some responsibility for them to take when they make such assumptions, but don't try to act like my thought process is completely backwards for having a bit of empathy.

[MiamiSammy]

I personally like the weather in Bogota-- I do not miss hot humid weather of SoCal-.

Many women in Cali actually come to Bogota to work -- Bogota is the Best because girls from all over Colombia come here to hoe. -- True for other cities but mostly for Bogota-.

The Venezuelans are here too-- Bogota has the Most girls.

Somtimes there are rainy periods where you will get rain for 2 weeks+ so you can pick a bad time- but most of the time it rains and quits-- I would say that it rains 30% on average.

Cali is an interesting place and worth checking out.

Who's got better food? I know about the salsa music, which is a big draw, but do they have a unique take on Colombian food?

[Woodman09]

If you are looking at $15 singles you are not looking at high end places. So who knows what the guest fees or policies might be. In higher end places it depends more on whether they will allow guests. If you have a particular person in mind, and you book for double occupancy, you will be fine with that person. If you have extra guests the hotels often have a guest fee.

The only way to know is to ask the place where you plan to book. Nothing anyone says here is going to really help beyond that.

Don Carlos stayed in the Bacata (a new high rise condo / shopping center) on Calle 19 using AirBnb. This guy had multiple dates with many SA girls.

They have a nice reception area and coffee bar market, ice cream parlor and casino on 1st FL.

Don Carlos had some very hot women.

[BigButtDetecto]

Hello all,

I am planning a trip to Colombia, Bogota and Medellin in mid of April. Can someone please confirm if the clubs in Santa Fe (Troya, etc') are open or closed at this corona time?

Thanks in advance.

Aviv.

I was there 2 weeks ago and 90% were open; not as many girls as before I noticed but it was early in the week.

[BigButtDetecto]

I'd say Bogota is better because it has a dedicated red light district: Santa Fe. Plus most chicks cost around 10-15 USD yes the weather sucks in Bogota but in all it has everything a monger wants. Also most chicks working in Santa Fe are from Cali almost none are local Bogota residents. Plus many Venezuelans are there too I personally think the Venes are way better looking than Colombians they don't have those tattoos all over their bodies. But yes Bogota is going to be your choice if you want the monger scene. Cheap pussy and hot Venes plus Cali chicks looking for a quick buck.

Bogota has a lot of options to monger at and cheap girls in SF. But I like the warm weather in Cali and the girls have curves that you do not find anywhere else in the world. There is not as much air pollution as in Bogota or Medellin;.

Also everytime I go to Bogota I feel short of breath due to elevation (2644 m).

[Zeos1]

If I plan to have multiple guests, is it best to pay extra for 2 person occupancy, or to just pay as the guests come if the front desk sees them? I see hotels can be about $15 for a single person, but around $22 for double occupancy. That's like a third markup. Would it be better off to just pay it, or to get single occupancy and as guests arrive if they or we are stopped by security or front desk to pay then? I'm guessing if I pay for a second person upon booking, when I bring a person after that, I still will end up paying for another additional person?

If you are looking at $15 singles you are not looking at high end places. So who knows what the guest fees or policies might be. In higher end places it depends more on whether they will allow guests. If you have a particular person in mind, and you book for double occupancy, you will be fine with that person. If you have extra guests the hotels often have a guest fee.

The only way to know is to ask the place where you plan to book. Nothing anyone says here is going to really help beyond that.

[Woodman09]

I'm looking to add a side trip to my upcoming visit, and can't decide whether to go to Cali or Bogota. Seems as if the big difference is climate- hot and sticky vs cold and damp. Anyone care to weigh in as to why one over the other? Some say the women are finer in Cali, others the opposite. I've never been to either, so I'm looking to my fellow Senior Members for advice-.

I personally like the weather in Bogota-- I do not miss hot humid weather of SoCal-.

Many women in Cali actually come to Bogota to work -- Bogota is the Best because girls from all over Colombia come here to hoe. -- True for other cities but mostly for Bogota-.

The Venezuelans are here too-- Bogota has the Most girls.

Somtimes there are rainy periods where you will get rain for 2 weeks+ so you can pick a bad time- but most of the time it rains and quits-- I would say that it rains 30% on average.

Cali is an interesting place and worth checking out.

[MarkTrinidad]

I'd say Bogota is better because it has a dedicated red light district: Santa Fe. Plus most chicks cost around 10-15 USD yes the weather sucks in Bogota but in all it has everything a monger wants. Also most chicks working in Santa Fe are from Cali almost none are local Bogota residents. Plus many Venezuelans are there too I personally think the Venes are way better looking than Colombians they don't have those tattoos all over their bodies. But yes Bogota is going to be your choice if you want the monger scene. Cheap pussy and hot Venes plus Cali chicks looking for a quick buck.

I'm looking to add a side trip to my upcoming visit, and can't decide whether to go to Cali or Bogota. Seems as if the big difference is climate- hot and sticky vs cold and damp. Anyone care to weigh in as to why one over the other? Some say the women are finer in Cali, others the opposite. I've never been to either, so I'm looking to my fellow Senior Members for advice-.