Bogota Reports

[Mtljay]

Looking for a hotel that will hold the ID of the guest while she is in my room and then check up on me after she leaves. Four Points By Sheraton Bogota used to do this a few years back, but I don't know if they are still doing it.

[DaVinci40]

Should point out that the original court (63rd municipal criminal court of Bogota) where I'm guessing you may have came up with the idea that prostitution is neither legal or illegal and so sits in a gray area specifically stated that prostitution is not a crime. What caused the decision to be taken up by Colombia's constitutional court has to do with the employment rights of a prostitute. The municipal judge denied the plaintiff based on prostitution being legal but as it is illicit and against good customs then it does not afford employment protections that are given to a worker that is not a prostitute.

In hearing the case, the constitutional court had to decide on the legal status of prostitution and in doing so specifically went into how sex workers operate as well as the modals of where sex workers work, the importance of a sex worker basically working in this field of her own free will, that businesses (brothels) and other workers in those businesses are also protected and set up guidelines for differences between legal and illegal prostitution. Illegal prostitution are the things we all would think of as being illegal. Child prostitution, prostitution as a result of human trafficking, forced or coercion into prostitution, etc etc you get the idea.

In doing this, the constitution court revoked the ruling of the municipal court (as well as some sections from an appeals court that agreed with the municipal court in regards to employment law) as well as a number of things that allows prostitutes to access social services, workers benefits and compensations and in theory allows the formation of a sex workers union.

The case can sometimes be confused because there are 2 different things happening from the municipal court. The first is the issue of prostitution and the 2nd is the issue of employment law for prostitutes. The employment law is the primary part that the original municipal court had the issue with.

Hopefully this clears up the whole prostitution is neither legal or illegal as it is legal (provided it's not doing sh*t like child, human trafficking, coercion, etc). If you want specific legal references pm me because I'm not going to list them all here. Just don't want this to turn into a screwed up Uber argument again. Bored yet? LOL.

[Ggekko2009]

I figured out what's going on. I had Bogota as a saved location for the search but when I did a new search and typed Bogota, I got way more results. Not sure why, must be a bug or something. Anyone using the saved location or main location feature is severely limiting their options.

I have no issues using the saved search. It is easy to override your saved search and I suspect that might be the issue that you were seeing. For me, the quality of SA girls there are just superb and selections plentiful. However, one needs to be aware that many of these girls have regular jobs and in my case, most are still in college. Their schedules and availabilities may sometimes be hard to fit into a typical schedule like ours.

Hint: If one does not hear back from them on that day of the meet, regardless of what has been scheduled earlier, then the meet is not going to happen. Then plan accordingly and always have a backup. Sometimes, I might double or even triple book my meet with different girls for the same day, and will cancel or reschedule on the others with excuses once I am very certain one of them will turn up.

[MaddTraveler]

There are some people unfortunately that you can stamp facts on their foreheads by smacking it there and they'll still won't get it.

I don't argue or debate facts or laws, it'd be absurd. If two people can read 1+1 = 2 and they must debate the result of "2", then it's clear one of them simply didn't read it or has a learning or comprehension disability. So a pointless debate.

Colombia has a clear history even written in plain English online, yes usually court is split just like anywhere, and even if you never traveled you can learn about its laws and practices. Prostitution is legal in Colombia and hundreds of thousands of local take part of it, incl the police. There were events few yrs back in Bogota where the metro police arrested sex workers and clients due to various reasons, causing these rumors, fake news and misunderstanding. The laws were written however sex workers along side many other groups were left out for proper protection, and those had to be rewritten after the 2010 court ruling, they had to amend it in 2015, and also in 2019 - I don't like posting specific sources since not writing a journal, anyone should be able to do their own research if it matters. You won't see police harass sex workers or discriminating against various groups like people living with HIV, which was another problem in Colombia and was part of the same ruling. The mayors can regulate local municipalities and enforce brothels in proper zonas, etc. But the practice of prostitution itself is legal. Regulation T-629 of 2010 had absolutely nothing to do w making prostitution illegal, it was to address various gray areas of law, even abortion rights clarification was included.

Show me specific laws in Colombia from court pages that Specifically says Prostitution is illegal in Colombia, or even partially illegal like in Canada, or Please STFU.

[MaddTraveler]

You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.

I'm not interested in anything, burden lies on you to prove your claim to everyone for the wrong info you're posting, since you're coming up with it, not sure what purpose it serves. I'll stay busy fucking the working girls while you masturbate and debate yourself, deal? (sorry, accident rhyme).

[MaddTraveler]

You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.

We can go back and forth and you're still 100% wrong.

[Igor54]

Your info is partially inaccurate. Laws in Colombia arent determined by the Mayors nor varies by municipalities. The mayors or city controlled authorities regulate the Brothels and "tolerance zones" which they can operate in, and also enforces various activities to diminish pimping, trafficking, child sex, etc. Trafficking statutes (Law 985) in Col is federal, and punishment is 13-23 yrs for minor exploitation which is the main focus.

As for prostitution itself, it is fully legal in Colombia, period. If a brothel is operating without proper licenses or in non-auth zones, they can detain or fine all workers including customers, so research and read more carefully on that newstory you wrote, has nothing to do with the practice of illegal prostitution in Col.

There is a problem, any law and any country, if they close you in 48+ hours is the cell, you will start to behave / think differently about what you think in terms " I am a cool guy" it s just a human psychology.

[DaVinci40]

Not a legal scholar but I'm not sure where T-629/10 said that prostitution is neither legal or illegal. The case in summary was from a prostitute that was fired by the bar where she worked because she was pregnant (a bit more complicated than this as it was a high risk pregnancy but anyways). In trying to receive basically unemployment assistance from the Ministry of Social Protection after being fired she was denied as the bar did not provide a reason for her dismissal. She filed suit against the bar for damages. The lower court said that the employment contract was illegal between the woman and the bar. However, the constitutional court which ultimately has control said that prostitution is a lawful activity in Colombia provided certain things are followed (primarily that it is of her own free will among other things. If anything this proved above all that prostitution is legal. As far as whether it's in zones of tolerance I don't know the specifics but just wanted to make it clear that prostitution is legal and it is not a gray area. This ruling reiterates that.

You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.

[TalkYes]

Planning a visit in about a month. Is it just me or has the quality of SA girls in Bogota gone down in the last year?

I figured out what's going on. I had Bogota as a saved location for the search but when I did a new search and typed Bogota, I got way more results. Not sure why, must be a bug or something. Anyone using the saved location or main location feature is severely limiting their options.

[Mr Enternational]

You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.

Looks like we are back to the Uber argument again. Some say it is legal because it exists and is somewhat widespread. Others say no, it is just tolerated and a gray area.

[Ryck II]

Your info is partially inaccurate. Laws in Colombia arent determined by the Mayors nor varies by municipalities. The mayors or city controlled authorities regulate the Brothels and "tolerance zones" which they can operate in, and also enforces various activities to diminish pimping, trafficking, child sex, etc. Trafficking statutes (Law 985) in Col is federal, and punishment is 13-23 yrs for minor exploitation which is the main focus.

As for prostitution itself, it is fully legal in Colombia, period. If a brothel is operating without proper licenses or in non-auth zones, they can detain or fine all workers including customers, so research and read more carefully on that newstory you wrote, has nothing to do with the practice of illegal prostitution in Col.

You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.

[The Cane]

While we were hanging out another board member posed the question if we would rather fuck an ugly chick or a pretty trans. I said that well since I am into chicks and not dudes then of course the ugly chick. Both of them said they would fuck the pretty trans. Beauty is subjective, but it is pretty conventional what a dude and a chick are. Yeah, I am going to take the ugly chick every time over the subjectively pretty dude. Not everybody thinks she is ugly, but everybody knows he is a dude.

To this I say thank God life isn't full of only either / or propositions! Plenty of other choices to be had LOL!

[Mr Enternational]

I personally don't like the clubs tho. I never understood what was so great about getting ripped off on drinks and shit, if I want to drink I get the cheap bottle of tequila at D1, if I want to fuck I go get a 30 k street girl. If I'm paying extra it's for extras, why would I want to pay more for less just because it is inside a club?

Because some guys like a fun party atmosphere and are willing to pay for that, while other guys like me and you are focusing on fucking. There was a BM in Thailand that would go out to the clubs every night and spend a couple hundred dollars on drinks then over $100 for the girl. I had always said you could fuck those same girls for $30 without the club. Everybody swore it was impossible.

My question was where are those so-called stunners in the daytime. Are they locked up in a dungeon and only take a secret tunnel every night to get to the clubs? Nope. Those are the same chicks you see walking around in the daytime and in the street with pajamas on going to get food before work.

Well during the pandemic the clubs were shut down so he resorted to the apps. And who did he hook up with on the app for $30? One of the same club chicks that he had paid 5 times that before. The difference was that she was not club-ready or in the club. He complained that she was dressed in pajamas and had a baseball cap on when she came over. Yeah but like I said they are the same damn girls. He then came to the conclusion that it was the party atmosphere in the club that does it for him.

While we were hanging out another board member posed the question if we would rather fuck an ugly chick or a pretty trans. I said that well since I am into chicks and not dudes then of course the ugly chick. Both of them said they would fuck the pretty trans. Beauty is subjective, but it is pretty conventional what a dude and a chick are. Yeah, I am going to take the ugly chick every time over the subjectively pretty dude. Not everybody thinks she is ugly, but everybody knows he is a dude.

[TalkYes]

Planning a visit in about a month. Is it just me or has the quality of SA girls in Bogota gone down in the last year? I haven't upgraded to premium yet, could it be that a lot of the girls keep their profile hidden to basic members? Is that even a thing? Also looking for suggestions for clubs / massage / casas in Chapinero, Teusaquillo, and Usaquen. Last year I wasted a bunch of time going to places on the map only to find they were closed or maybe I just couldn't find them. Basically I'm just looking for some somewhat recent intel on what's decent north of Santa Fe. Thanks.

[Gabacho]

Went into one of the clubs on primero de mayo drunk and alone. I sit down and a girl is very pushy to order a bottle, so I did. Once we started drinking she kept trying to push me to drink more. Then I tried to leave and the front door guy said I can't leave because cops are outside. It's after hours at that point. Manager tells me to go back upstairs and wait. Moments later he said I can leave through the back door. I'm escorted to back and three dude attack and wrestle me to the ground. While they hold me down the girl grabbed everything from my pockets. The manager then comes in and tells the guys to lock me in one of the rooms. Minutes later they come in the room and they try to give me Gatorade. I said no. Knowing its been scoped. They keep trying almost force me to drink. But I don't budge. They eventually let me leave with 20 k for taxi. They stole 300 k and a cell phone and my belt. I got lucky. They could have knifed me or pulled a gun. The whole club was in on it. I went back to that area with some friend later that year. Went to the bigger clubs like Texas and can't remember the other name and had a great time during the hours of 10 pm. Mid-night. Moral of the story is don't go there alone and don't get drunk.

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I already wasn't much of a club guy, but you have given me a whole new reason (besides it being a ripoff) not to visit the clubs. I will stick to the streets LOL.

I remember when I was in bogotá I want to say like February of 2021 and alot of those clubs were closed due to covid. And I think you were only supposed to be outside on certain days I can't remember, but anyways I think alot of those club girls were working the street. One particular corner (I think where hotel J Vargas is) had like 80 girls all posted on the one corner. I remember it was amazing.

I personally don't like the clubs tho. I never understood what was so great about getting ripped off on drinks and shit, if I want to drink I get the cheap bottle of tequila at D1, if I want to fuck I go get a 30 k street girl. If I'm paying extra it's for extras, why would I want to pay more for less just because it is inside a club?

But thanks for sharing this story. And f*ck the clubs.