Bogota Reports

[Blade2001]

Isn't that backwards? Some athletes train at high elevation so they can kick ass at sea level where there is more air to breathe. The higher you go, the quicker you will experience hypoxia and pass out. You are saying that having more oxygen makes you more tired??

Yeah it's backwards and why it's so strange. Elvis provided a pretty good explanation of what might be happening to me.

[Member #4729]

Hello friends,

I am new to this forum thread but have been posting in the Rio thread for a while as I have spent the last seven weeks there and just arrived in Bogota a few days ago. Anyone making the trip directly to Colombia to Brazil should be aware that you need proof of a current yellow fever vaccination. Since I did not have this, I had to get vaccinated in Rio, and then go to Anvisa in the GIG airport to receive the official document required by airlines.

I had visited Bogota immediately before the pandemic started, albeit briefly, so was curious to see how things have changed. The first night after I get some sleep, I started in Chapinero, where I checked out Las Divas, Pussy House, and Club Fortynine. Pussy House and Las Divas have really gone down hill- at this point its just basically a bunch of local dudes watching soccer games with a few tired working girls lounging around. The girls were average and below average- and at Pussy House especially, the vibe was really strange with obnoxious music, aggressive crew, and was just overall uncomfortable. Beers were 10 mil I believe. I had remembered a club that was more enticing and seductive. Over at Club Fortynine things seemed to be in partial disrepair and the club was generally shabby compared to the photos on the internet. However, the ratio was much better with perhaps 10-12 SW lounging around. I grabbed an overpriced beer (20 mil) and approached the most attractive girl, a little 20 year old spinner w braces and big tits-there who quoted me 150 mil, but said that BBBJ was not allowed- not even if I met her outside of the club.

This unwillingness to perform BBBJ in just about all the girls I've met the last few days is a real bummer. Such service, including CIM or COF is more common than not in Rio de Janeiro, as is the DFK and groping that precedes taking a girl at a Terma. None of those things exist here. I asked one girl why and she said "she doesn't want to die". I mean, seriously? I'm not going to be enjoying Bogota or Colombia that much if this trend doesn't break. Why would anyone even want to visit a country in which the main enjoyable part of sex is not on the menu? Why would we just not go to another country instead?

Back to our story: frustrated I decide to head to Santa Fe, which I visited briefly in a previous trip but never made it inside a club. I started in Atunes (I think the spelling might be different) - and as it was a Friday night around 9 pm, the place was packed with local dudes and perhaps 20 WG. I liked the vibe a lot- but it was just too loud and crowded to really operate so I had another overpriced beer and headed next door to Troya where the scene was a bit better- here I could actually talk to the ladies and some of them were quite attractive! However- as previously mentioned, all propositions of BBBJ, even with extra compensation were refused, almost as if I said something rude and offensive. I'm still trying to figure this one out- my friend says its because these girls are so high volume. Anyways- I stumbled over to Paisas, already 5 beers deep and not wanting to drink anymore, and one of the many aggressive male crew members approaches me to tell me I have to drink to stick around. Ok fine, I'm out of here.

Wandering semi-drunk around the streets of SF at around 11 pm is perhaps not the smartest thing, but here I was. It is quite an amazing scene, with a surprisingly number of attractive women. A real feat for the eyes. Now and then you look over and there's just a completely legitimate stunner staring back at you as she loiters seductively in her dimly lit "nook". At this point I am still not really comprehending the system here and how these girls and the clubs are linked- I have not yet seen a room and the interconnecting hallways.

Instead of catching an uber, I stumble up the stairs of California, where the vibe is a little more to my liking. As I am taking a piss in the trough, a very aggressive local comes in to tell me in a very loud and animated fashion how great my facial hair is, or something similar. I am holding my penis, trying to pee, and manage to tell him thanks, but also can you see I am trying to pee? Back in the club, there are at least a few good looking ladies and a vibe that's easier to work than the previous clubs. Eventually a spinner comes and sits down next to me and I buy her a Corona. We get to talking and what do you know- she agrees to BBBJ and CIM! I'm astounded and so accept her offer of 100 mil and we are off- through some sort of labyrinth of hallways through another club, finally into a shabby room in a warren of shabby rooms. I think these are the same rooms the girls in front on the street take you to- so I can see the backend a little better. I pay the girl upfront (which I don't like to do so please mongers tell me if that's the legit thing here) The noise of all the clubs was deafening as I remove my clothes and we begin. Unfortunately I received perhaps the most robotic and mechanical attempt at a blowjob that I can recall, and the attitude of the girl was similarly detached, with no kissing, no eye contact- almost just like a human sex doll – and she wouldn't even let me put my hand on her head to guide it down to my cock. This combined with my lingering fatigue resulted in a poor performance on my part, although I manage to squirt out a half hearted little cumshot through a barely erect penis which she quickly spits in the sink. She offers BBFS to me at a greater price, and later on through whatsapp she agrees to CIP on another encounter for 300 mil. Not sure if I'm going to bite given the robotic nature of her performance and the fact that she is so high volume. Still- it was nice to finally get some uncovered service. I get the number of another girl on my way out and head home.

The next day a fellow ISG monger and myself take a visit to "Mezzanine" which is a collection of 6 or so massage rooms a little north of the Parque 93 area. As we come go up the stairs onto said mezzanine all the doors open as if by magic and all the girls peep out to show their cute little selves. I see a cute spinner in the first room and just go with it- my friend does a little shopping before ultimately selecting a girl from the same room unbeknownst to me. Keep in mind I don't do massages and this was just for a laugh- so things that would be familiar to some were new to me. The price was 100 mil. The room was tiny with a rickety little table that I try to relax on upon undressing. The girl is pretty hot, but will not allow kisses so I just suck on her cute titties and finger her pussy which is well lubricated. She puts a condom on my stick and tries to suck on it through the condom- which as I said before I just don't do. There is no sensation- it doesn't do anything for me- so cock remains sadly flaccid throughout the whole comic affair. So sad. If this girl actually did a real BBBJ with CIM, or COF I think I would've gotten pretty hard and for sure pumped her vaginally covered, but once again- that type of service not found easily in Bogota. Still it wasn't unenjoyable for something like $27 usd. My friend had better luck in the room next door and managed to bust a nut. I will not be coming back to this location or any other parlor- for someone like me there is very little point.

The next day I'm really not feeling horny (a theme is emerging here) - perhaps I'm low in my testosterone cycle, perhaps I'm down about all this ridiculous covered sex business, perhaps mongering for 7 weeks straight has taken away the fire, who knows? Nevertheless I decide to recon the more upscale clubs in the Zona T area and so I head out. Upon approaching what used to be an imposing black building with Club Casanova and another club, I see the building has been painted all white and all the doors are shut. Some loitering locals tell me these clubs are permanently closed, but want to show me some other clubs. I agree, knowing full well I will need to throw a tip of 2-4 mil for his services, but that's not really a lot. First club he takes me to "Copacabana"-ironic because I was just coming from the real Copacabana and let me tell you there is nothing in common. I hurriedly sip down the 50 mil Heineken and the lineup of average girls eyes me leerily until they figure out I'm not interested and go sit down. Poor things. This club is awful, don't go.

Next my new "friend" takes me to The Blue Room, which is actually a nice space with potential inside, but perhaps I came to early because there were literally two girls. Other mongers can chime in if this is a worthwhile club, but for now I have too little info. The last club he takes me too "Olimpio" or "Olympia" or some derivation of the word is actually not bad with a healthy selection of girls and a nice big space. I buy another 50 mil corona and grab a chica to go sit with. She's a hot little spinner with a beautiful smile and big eyes and claims to be 20. I buy her an overpriced drink and we hang out a bit. I tell her I'm not taking anyone tonight, but give her 40 mil in cash and she rubs her ass against me and grinds which is very pleasant. Actually had a nice relaxing time talking to this chica for a while, not sure if it was worth 240 mil (the ultimate damage from drinks, etc), but I wasn't going to session that night so it was better than nothing. I get her whatsapp and she quotes me some ridiculous amount for sex but eventually comes down to 400 mil for two hours, and then later 300 mil for one hour. Finally I ask her about BBBJ and CIM and she flatly refuses saying she "doesn't want to die". Again, seriously? Who has been telling these girls not to do BBBJ? Why is this entire country so uptight. Brazilians will do that AND anal like its brushing your teeth.

So that's my first few days in Bogota, I have to say I'm not impressed for the reasons mentioned here. If it's such a huge effort to get what I need (BBBJ), I'm sure I will not be coming back. I've got a few SA coals in the fire, but am reluctant to pull the trigger on those only to be in the same situation. Regardless, my Airbnb is still for about 10 more days before I got to Medellin so I will have to figure out how to make due until then. If anyone has any suggestions, please, please, please let me know. So far Bogota is not impressive in the mongering category and its freaking cold and the altitude is bummer. Sorry to be such a bummer myself, but the Zebra calls it like he sees it.

Zebra Out.

[Blade2001]

That is interesting. There are quite a few changes that happen with high altitude and the one that probably is affecting you is something called 2,3 BPG:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2, 3-Bisphosphoglyceric_acid#cite_note-hyperthyroidism2004-3.

When you go up to higher altitude levels, the amount of 2,3 BPG goes up very quickly. Higher 2,3 BPG cause a red blood cell to have a decreased affinity for oxygen which sounds like you have less oxygen but that is not correct. With more 2,3 BPG, you have more available oxygen to use as it is not stuck to the red blood cell.

The amount of 2,3 BPG can vary a lot from person to person as there are conditions that can cause less or more of it. Higher thyroid for example means more 2,3 BPG and lower thyroid means lower levels.

Given that you can go hiking so quickly at Monserrate, it suggests to me you form high levels of 2,3 BPG very quickly and your cells have more oxygen available to them than the average person. Then you can to a lower altitude, you have lower levels of 2,3 BPG and have much less free oxygen running around which could cause fatigue.

Overweight people have higher levels of 2,3 BPG so it will be interesting to see if your weight loss has an effect. It might be worth having your doctor check your thyroid too.

I think I have a more normal response with my 2,3 BPG levels because when I have gone from Bogota to a city with a lower altitude I immediately feel better. It is interesting though that one of the reason Colombianas may be thinner than women in other countries is that you burn more calories at a higher altitude and there is going to be a different effect when you eat carbohydrates high up as well. There is a really good chance that people have less carb craving at higher altitudes because the carbs do not make you feel as good as at lower altitudes.

Thanks for that info. After lots of googling after previous trips, your explanation is the only one that might explain what I've been experiencing. I'll need to research what you mentioned a bit more, but I'll be happy if I can continue visiting Bogota as I feel it's the best city for our hobby on this side of the world.

[JjBee62]

After 8 days of quarantine in Bogota, I'm almost recovered from Covid. The hotel has been very helpful, checking up on me daily and they even cut my room rate by 20%. Although, if I'd suspected I had Covid, and would need a quarantine, I'd have found myself a cheaper hotel, I have no complaints with the airport Courtyard by Marriott.

If all goes well, I hope to have a negative test on Monday, ending my quarantine a day or two before I fly home. Now I'm trying to decide how best to use that small window. Other than getting out and eating something that didn't come from room service, I'm undecided.

I still tire easily, so I'm not planning on anything too energetic, but I might find a massage or a club to relieve some boredom. I've had several offers from girls in Medellin to come and take care of me, as well as one in Pereira. One or two of them would be tempting, but not real thrilled with that route.

I'm familiar with the mezzanine, along with another nearby spa, but it's probably disappeared by now. The northern clubs don't much appeal to me, although I'll consider if there's one that I just can't miss. I'm not interested in pulling off the street in Santa Fe. I'd rather go to a club with decent onsite rooms. At this stage of my recovery, I'd probably be satisfied with a good, professional massage with a good happy ending.

I'll probably post a "What's there to do in Bogota" on Facebook, just to see if any of the Medellin girls have a local they want to recommend. If anyone has a suggestion on how to spend a few hours, with minimal physical exertion, let me know.

[Silver Turtle]

Yes, Santa Fe is half-dead during day and night. There are fewer girls, and they are not attractive. I will fly to Medellin soon.

[Elvis 2008]

I climbed Monserrate with relative ease in the rain, despite falling on my ass once near the top, it wasn't so bad, considering the rain and how steep it is.

Fast forward to MDE and I felt more lethargic, my breathing felt shallow in BOG but my energy was fine.

My breathing improved once in MDE but my energy seemed to decline, can you opine on the drug Tallman just posted about?

That is a pH thing. You go to Bogota and the first thing you do subconsciously is breathe faster to compensate for the low oxygen levels. This induces a pH issue called respiratory alkalosis because you are blowing off too much carbon dioxide. Acetazolamide does the opposite of that. It helps the kidneys get rid of bicarbonate and in so doing causes metabolic acidosis. The body will compensate for this acid-base issue on its own but this drug accelerates the process. You take it a few days before you have the climb in altitude and your first few days arriving in Bogota.

It is funny the last two times I went to Bogota I was in shape and not in shape. In shape, I had no problems, but the last time I went when I was out of shape was brutal: headaches, fatigue ETC. It is amazing how much this can vary from not just person to person but from time to time.

[Trim1]

I read that Atunes reopened on June 28 after being closed for 15 months. Does anyone here know how much it costs to buy a non-alcoholic drink there like water or orange juice?

[Prelude141]

I was there in the early afternoon yesterday. Not a single girl I would bang. I thought it was too early (around 1:00 PM), but it looks like at night it sucks as well. Seeking sucks too, read my recent post in SA thread. They are flaky and don't need our business. I have been to Colombia many times, but this time is the worst, despite great exchange rate and the fact that everything is back to normal, no protests or curfews. I got here from Rio, and it is day and night in terms of the talent, but I have to admit the hottest girls in Rio are non-pros.

If anyone would like to share good/verified SA contacts, please PM me.

Why do all focus on Santa Fe? There are thousands of options in Bogota and you seem all to focus on the shithole of the city. I don't Get it.

[MarquisdeSade1]

That is interesting. There are quite a few changes that happen with high altitude and the one that probably is affecting you is something called 2,3 BPG:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2, 3-Bisphosphoglyceric_acid#cite_note-hyperthyroidism2004-3.

When you go up to higher altitude levels, the amount of 2,3 BPG goes up very quickly. Higher 2,3 BPG cause a red blood cell to have a decreased affinity for oxygen which sounds like you have less oxygen but that is not correct. With more 2,3 BPG, you have more available oxygen to use as it is not stuck to the red blood cell.

The amount of 2,3 BPG can vary a lot from person to person as there are conditions that can cause less or more of it. Higher thyroid for example means more 2,3 BPG and lower thyroid means lower levels.

Given that you can go hiking so quickly at Monserrate, it suggests to me you form high levels of 2,3 BPG very quickly and your cells have more oxygen available to them than the average person. Then you can to a lower altitude, you have lower levels of 2,3 BPG and have much less free oxygen running around which could cause fatigue.

Overweight people have higher levels of 2,3 BPG so it will be interesting to see if your weight loss has an effect. It might be worth having your doctor check your thyroid too.

I think I have a more normal response with my 2,3 BPG levels because when I have gone from Bogota to a city with a lower altitude I immediately feel better. It is interesting though that one of the reason Colombianas may be thinner than women in other countries is that you burn more calories at a higher altitude and there is going to be a different effect when you eat carbohydrates high up as well. There is a really good chance that people have less carb craving at higher altitudes because the carbs do not make you feel as good as at lower altitudes.

I climbed Monserrate with relative ease in the rain, despite falling on my ass once near the top, it wasn't so bad, considering the rain and how steep it is.

Fast forward to MDE and I felt more lethargic, my breathing felt shallow in BOG but my energy was fine.

My breathing improved once in MDE but my energy seemed to decline, can you opine on the drug Tallman just posted about?

[MiamiBoy1]

My evening SA date flaked on me so I headed to Santa Fe. Again, I was disappointed. I had a blast in Santa Fe in October and January. But it seemed like slim pickings last night. The south stroll had nothing. There were a few attractive girls around the clubs but not many and I didn't see anything that made me want to take a seat at any of the bars. Several of my Venezuelan friends have returned home for one reason or another. I wonder if this accounts for the relative lack of talent. You would think the difficult times in Colombia would inspire more girls to take to Santa Fe. Maybe they are all on Seeking.

One other item of note: there were a lot more young men wandering around seemingly up to no good.

I was there in the early afternoon yesterday. Not a single girl I would bang. I thought it was too early (around 1:00 PM), but it looks like at night it sucks as well. Seeking sucks too, read my recent post in SA thread. They are flaky and don't need our business. I have been to Colombia many times, but this time is the worst, despite great exchange rate and the fact that everything is back to normal, no protests or curfews. I got here from Rio, and it is day and night in terms of the talent, but I have to admit the hottest girls in Rio are non-pros.

If anyone would like to share good/verified SA contacts, please PM me.

[ShadowJ]

My evening SA date flaked on me so I headed to Santa Fe. Again, I was disappointed. I had a blast in Santa Fe in October and January. But it seemed like slim pickings last night. The south stroll had nothing. There were a few attractive girls around the clubs but not many and I didn't see anything that made me want to take a seat at any of the bars. Several of my Venezuelan friends have returned home for one reason or another. I wonder if this accounts for the relative lack of talent. You would think the difficult times in Colombia would inspire more girls to take to Santa Fe. Maybe they are all on Seeking.

One other item of note: there were a lot more young men wandering around seemingly up to no good.

[Eroded0722]

Yes. Tall Man, Medellin is next. Woodman was doing his other business but he came out for a few. We relieved previous fun and I went upstairs with a 9 (I could not believe it!) I found her while hitting all the clubs. 150 K girl, 50 K room for 40 min. Woodman saved me $. Also ran into another friend I met in December. Not an ISG person but lives near Santa Fe, Still trying toi shake off altitude sickness, about to take some cialis, I read up the ED meds can help. More later, meeting a ballet dancer now.

Can somebody message me woodmans WhatsApp? Flying in tomorrow and want to schedule a tour!

[Elvis 2008]

I'm glad someone brought up elevation (about 8,400 ft) in Bogota. Every time I've traveled there I've been hit with extreme fatigue for several days after I returned back to sea level. It was strange in that I would be fine the whole trip while in Bogota, even hiking up Monserrate with no issue. However, after I got back to sea level I would be hit with severe fatigue for several days. The first time this happened I thought that I must have caught some virus or something, but after subsequent trips it became apparent is was the elevation. The plus side was I would always lose a few pounds from walking around at the high elevation.

That is interesting. There are quite a few changes that happen with high altitude and the one that probably is affecting you is something called 2,3 BPG:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2, 3-Bisphosphoglyceric_acid#cite_note-hyperthyroidism2004-3.

When you go up to higher altitude levels, the amount of 2,3 BPG goes up very quickly. Higher 2,3 BPG cause a red blood cell to have a decreased affinity for oxygen which sounds like you have less oxygen but that is not correct. With more 2,3 BPG, you have more available oxygen to use as it is not stuck to the red blood cell.

The amount of 2,3 BPG can vary a lot from person to person as there are conditions that can cause less or more of it. Higher thyroid for example means more 2,3 BPG and lower thyroid means lower levels.

Given that you can go hiking so quickly at Monserrate, it suggests to me you form high levels of 2,3 BPG very quickly and your cells have more oxygen available to them than the average person. Then you can to a lower altitude, you have lower levels of 2,3 BPG and have much less free oxygen running around which could cause fatigue.

Overweight people have higher levels of 2,3 BPG so it will be interesting to see if your weight loss has an effect. It might be worth having your doctor check your thyroid too.

I think I have a more normal response with my 2,3 BPG levels because when I have gone from Bogota to a city with a lower altitude I immediately feel better. It is interesting though that one of the reason Colombianas may be thinner than women in other countries is that you burn more calories at a higher altitude and there is going to be a different effect when you eat carbohydrates high up as well. There is a really good chance that people have less carb craving at higher altitudes because the carbs do not make you feel as good as at lower altitudes.

[MiamiSammy]

Isn't that backwards? Some athletes train at high elevation so they can kick ass at sea level where there is more air to breathe. The higher you go, the quicker you will experience hypoxia and pass out. You are saying that having more oxygen makes you more tired??

You've got it right- that's why the Olympic Training Center is in Colorado Springs. Not saying he's not tired at sea level, but it's not due to less oxygen at sea level.

[Prelude141]

https://g.page/danncarltonbogota?share

Almost directly across the street from Mezzanine.

Showdown.

This one yes, very close to mezzanine but blade2001 is referring to the other one slightly more in the south. Not sure will one I will pick next time I m there are both have correct to good reports and are obviously girl friendly. I usually would prefer to stay in chapinero center to be close to all the casas but. Anything north Virrey is a bit far for me but at the same time a nice 5 stars hotel is appealing.