Bogota Reports

[Trace79]

Got in last night and made it okay to my hotel. Was able to meet a nice girl that helped with the taxi situation which seems pretty sketchy here for non-Spanish speakers. Can tell that my hotel (Residences HUB 72 on calle 72 and Carrera 26) isn't really close to anything but a nice gym it seems. Also not sure if it's chica friendly but I'm leaning no.

First thing's first is a sim card from Claro so I can use the Uber app. Hear too many horror stories about regular taxis especially for non-Spanish speakers. Even illegal Uber app but oh well. Can't walk everywhere.

If anyone knows a good apartment 2 bedrooms (so I can lock up my valuables) in an area that is walking distance to a gym and supermarket, that would be valuable info. I'm going to take a Spanish language course here too so any recommendations would be helpful on that as well.

I'm aware Medellin has better weather. Not looking to move to the tourist areas. I want to fly back and forth from Belgrade, Serbia with ease and without the connecting flights. Thanks again.

[Tiguere Abroad]

City is a lot of fun if you do it properly. A quick report about my stay so far. I've met several members from the board and made a few friends. As long as you're semi-sociable I'm happy to grab a drink.

Santa Fe. A few pointers:

- Get Woodman's tour. See it as a rite of passage if you will. Woodman is also a good guy who will have your back. You will quickly get a hang of how the area works.

- Try to go with someone. It makes for a more fun experience and probably safer. This board is a great tool to help you find wingmen.

- Dress down, there's no one to impress. Don't carry more belongings than you need.

- There is a lot of police and you might encounter one sooner or later and it's no big deal, the bark is usually worse than the bite. Seems to happen more past 11 pm.

- If you feel a bit overwhelmed by the streets, head to one of the clubs. Make friends with a mesero who will remember you and help you next time..

I'm pretty fluent in Spanish and was looking to experience more of the non P2P. Appreciate the good info and down to meetup with others from the board in Bogota.

For anyone else interested in experiences like Osk Peru from Park's report try LEO on Calle 65 & Carrera 5. It's hidden, almost like a speakeasy but there's a big LEO sign on the wall and a doorman that will open a very well hidden door to the place. You can't just walk in off the street, they'll radio in and see if there's room before they let you in unless you have a reservation. It's the highest end dining I've seen in the city so far, I'd rate the quality on par with an upscale restaurant in Las Vegas or Miami.

On the 2nd floor there's an amazing bar / lounge that reminds me of my favorite place in Miami. 1st floor is the main dining area if you don't want to sit at the bar, but you may want to make a reservation as they get busy sometimes. A great place to chill and have drinks if you don't mind the cost. Expect to pay 35,000 for a drink but if you like that lounge upscale vibe then I recommend the 2nd floor bar.

[Trace79]

City is a lot of fun if you do it properly. A quick report about my stay so far. I've met several members from the board and made a few friends. As long as you're semi-sociable I'm happy to grab a drink.

Santa Fe. A few pointers:

- Get Woodman's tour. See it as a rite of passage if you will. Woodman is also a good guy who will have your back. You will quickly get a hang of how the area works.

- Try to go with someone. It makes for a more fun experience and probably safer. This board is a great tool to help you find wingmen.

- Dress down, there's no one to impress. Don't carry more belongings than you need.

- There is a lot of police and you might encounter one sooner or later and it's no big deal, the bark is usually worse than the bite. Seems to happen more past 11 pm..

Good report. Thank you, glad there's still some people putting in worthwhile information here. The covid bickering needs its own thread ffs. Nice details on what streets are more English friendly too. That's going to be my biggest crutch for a while it seems. Hope to read some more stuff from you soon.

[P Lover]

Not new to this scene, but first visit to Colombia. Thank you all for sharing useful info. First thought of going to Tijuana, after reading several posts here, drifted to Bogota. Booked air tickets and San Francisco for now. Looking for better accommodation. Where did you stay? Is it girl friendly?

Many people talked about Woodman. We all should be glad to have such nice person here. I will PM him.

I will be there Nov 1st week. Interested to meet other members. Please PM me if your travel dates are same.

City is a lot of fun if you do it properly. A quick report about my stay so far. I've met several members from the board and made a few friends. As long as you're semi-sociable I'm happy to grab a drink.

Santa Fe. A few pointers:

- Get Woodman's tour. See it as a rite of passage if you will. Woodman is also a good guy who will have your back. You will quickly get a hang of how the area works.

- Try to go with someone. It makes for a more fun experience and probably safer. This board is a great tool to help you find wingmen.

- Dress down, there's no one to impress. Don't carry more belongings than you need.

- There is a lot of police and you might encounter one sooner or later and it's no big deal, the bark is usually worse than the bite. Seems to happen more past 11 pm.

- If you feel a bit overwhelmed by the streets, head to one of the clubs. Make friends with a mesero who will remember you and help you next time..

[Parks292]

City is a lot of fun if you do it properly. A quick report about my stay so far. I've met several members from the board and made a few friends. As long as you're semi-sociable I'm happy to grab a drink.

Santa Fe. A few pointers:

- Get Woodman's tour. See it as a rite of passage if you will. Woodman is also a good guy who will have your back. You will quickly get a hang of how the area works.

- Try to go with someone. It makes for a more fun experience and probably safer. This board is a great tool to help you find wingmen.

- Dress down, there's no one to impress. Don't carry more belongings than you need.

- There is a lot of police and you might encounter one sooner or later and it's no big deal, the bark is usually worse than the bite. Seems to happen more past 11 pm.

- If you feel a bit overwhelmed by the streets, head to one of the clubs. Make friends with a mesero who will remember you and help you next time.

What makes Bogota a sin city is the amount of options available. SF, casas, prepagos, SA. Try them all and see what works for you. Not nearly as many options as São Paulo, but you could bang a different girl every day and barely scratch the surface. I've met some gems.

Started hanging out with a partygirl I met while working out, who also acts as my new tour guide and gives all the hot spots in town to check out. On that note, there's soo much more to the city than P2 P. Unsurprisingly, in a city of 8-9 M people.

For some fine dining, head to Osk Peru (Zona T), a Japanese Peruvian restaurant. A bit expensive by Colombian standards but place, food and service is excellent. Been there several times. Make sure to ask for the Nikkei Experience where the chef brings you one dish after the other (Omakase style). If you're with a girl, ask to be seated in the indoor garden, if you're alone sit at the bar. FYI hostess is smoking hot and plays hard to get.

Walk out of the restaurant and head to the nearby bars which are all walking distance on Carrera 13. Some of them have a pretty upscale local clientele. I'm pretty fluent in Spanish but these bars are where I found the most English speaking and well-travelled crowds. I won't expand much more as this forum is mainly about P2 P but this area is great to meet girls.

[GeneralM]

Do people like guest friendly hotels, or the quickie one hour hotel rooms best?

Any suggestions for a guest friendly hotel?

Also, are there currently draconian Covid restrictions like in SE Asia?

Thank you.

[ThatDudeThere]

Lido's is the highest end strip club in the North. I was there just a month ago. Don't bother with any other clubs in the north El Retiro area like La Piscina, Olympics or Dan Carlos (I think that's the name) as they mostly have average looking girls at high prices, most from Venezuela. For your typical monger it's best just to avoid north Bogota altogether and stick to the Santa Fe area in the south, but if you have money to burn you could check out Lidos. I was there a month ago and there were a lot of 7 and 8 level girls, a couple of 9's but they were with other customers. It's 200 K COP exit fee (about $50 US just to take a girl out of the club. Last time I took a girl out of there was several years ago and paid about 500 K COP for 2 hours, so pretty expensive. Make sure you negotiate the fee before hand for several hours or all night. I've heard of tourists getting charged large amounts of money in the morning since they didn't speak much Spanish and didn't agree on a fee. If the girl is negotiating in US dollars you are pretty guaranteed to get ripped off.

There is no way to avoid buying at least one drink for yourself and the girl. Cheapest drinks are 40 K COP ($10 US) for you and probably twice that for the girl. But if these prices scare you, you probably shouldn't even visit this club. You can get at least 5 girls in Santa Fe area for the price of 1 in the north.

Another option is Flirt Hotel. I visited there several years ago and not sure if it's still open, although google says it is. You don't have to actually stay there to visit the girls, but you do have to call ahead of time and make an appointment to visit. When I called several years ago the person answering spoke English, but who knows if they will now..

Helpful information. Thank you. I speak fluent Spanish and not new to the tactics of girls / the club adding fees so I know to strongly push back and confirm everything upfront, however doesn't sound too exciting with only a few 9's. Overall surprised at the lack of any upscale options or truly hot chicks (not just 7's which are plentiful) in Colombia vs other countries.

[Trace79]

Godspeed on your relocation to Bogota. The place is just too cold and rainy for me, been traveling and visiting Bogota for decades now and am so glad that I choose Medellin to live in 5 years now, could not be happier.

And yes the photo of your Tinder girl, basically they are dime a dozen here, just know that they all play their games so never ever trust even one single word they tell you, never ever take anyone or anything serious here rather just play and enjoy.

Best of luck.

The Tall Man.

Thanks but the rain and cool air are things I enjoy, especially when running. I'm used to women in general playing games too. I don't mind that either. My emotions don't get involved and it frees any guilt from playing the game myself when I wouldn't that with the good girls.

[Mr Enternational]

That is correct. It would have been less if I travelled but I'm not comfortable going to houses or w / e she was at while at night.

Besides that, when you do go to them some of the chicks are at hotel rooms where you have to pay 10,000 or 20,000 in addition.

[AddictedToWomen]

You either do not read what you cite, or you do not fully comprehend what you read. Let me help you out, my man

....

You are welcome.

Thank god to see some sense here. So much shit in so many preprints.

[The Tall Man]

Been a bit since my last report but obviously covid situation has made everyone's plans a little different. Anyway, I'll be heading to Bogota for the first time ever come Thursday evening and will be staying for a few months in Colombia. Could use some overall newb guidance and it's been years since I've spoke the basics of Spanish so I'll be starting that trek again from scratch. I did RTFF going back about 15 pages in this section and general reports too but still looking for some general help in getting me going. Wouldn't mind an English / Spanish guide / play thing if that's possible. I'm sure with enough time given, I'll find my own anyway.

I'm not really looking to go into Santa Fe anytime soon either but I wouldn't mind an upscale casa around the Chapinero area where I'll be spending my first four nights or if there is something like The Mansion in Medellin that's newb friendly. My hotel is the 72 HUB apartment and not looking to bring anything back to my home either. (I have too much crap and lots of high value items to worry about hiding them all the time.) I prefer getting a separate hotel for when I feel like ordering takeout or bringing something shiny and fun back from wherever I found it. Any info there would be great...

Godspeed on your relocation to Bogota. The place is just too cold and rainy for me, been traveling and visiting Bogota for decades now and am so glad that I choose Medellin to live in 5 years now, could not be happier.

And yes the photo of your Tinder girl, basically they are dime a dozen here, just know that they all play their games so never ever trust even one single word they tell you, never ever take anyone or anything serious here rather just play and enjoy.

Best of luck.

The Tall Man.

[Trace79]

Been a bit since my last report but obviously covid situation has made everyone's plans a little different. Anyway, I'll be heading to Bogota for the first time ever come Thursday evening and will be staying for a few months in Colombia. Could use some overall newb guidance and it's been years since I've spoke the basics of Spanish so I'll be starting that trek again from scratch. I did RTFF going back about 15 pages in this section and general reports too but still looking for some general help in getting me going. Wouldn't mind an English / Spanish guide / play thing if that's possible. I'm sure with enough time given, I'll find my own anyway.

I'm not really looking to go into Santa Fe anytime soon either but I wouldn't mind an upscale casa around the Chapinero area where I'll be spending my first four nights or if there is something like The Mansion in Medellin that's newb friendly. My hotel is the 72 HUB apartment and not looking to bring anything back to my home either. (I have too much crap and lots of high value items to worry about hiding them all the time.) I prefer getting a separate hotel for when I feel like ordering takeout or bringing something shiny and fun back from wherever I found it. Any info there would be great.

I did match with a cam girl of some sort on Tinder and we might be hooking up but her English is minimal. She's hot AF of course but I'm keeping her at a distance and not falling for the "amor" crap. If it doesn't work, no biggie. If it does, expect a report in due time. I'll include a few pics to see if anyone here has smashed it yet. I wouldn't be surprised hehe. I'm suspecting she has a Colombian novio or three and a few gringo ones too based on her aloof texting routine and common sense but if she wants to play the game, I'm down. Found her Tinder in another city under another name and age too but we both know what she does to get money from guys so there's no secret there. Still, I have my wits about me and can cut ties if I feel some shady shit around the corner.

I'm 42 now, don't drink and am pretty fit. I don't mind some nice upscale bars to meet real girls but in general, I avoided the club scene and partiers. They get on my nerves. My day game is generally pretty solid no matter where I am so my biggest obstacle will be lack of Spanish for quite some time but I'm a fast learner. A great massage with full BBBJCIM or call-in service would be ideal. I only really enjoy sex if there's some type of chemistry connection now anyway but I don't mind being spoiled by a pro that has an A' game.

I guess what I'm looking for from the vets here is a little help with finding a good English guide that's trustworthy, a decent apartment in a safe neighborhood (around $500-600 usd furnished preferably but not mandatory.) I can get my own furniture over time. Also, within a kilometer close to a good gym, lap swimming pool, decent restaurants, and a supermarket since I walk just about everywhere or take a taxi when the weather is shit. New sim card with Colombian number and data will be needed too but I can probably figure this out on my own with some googling.

I'm not in a rush to get to the chicas as I fully live abroad now and tired of the Asian lockdowns, hence the move. Any help or tips would be much appreciated. This was a sudden new change of plans so I'm trying to rush the education all at once. I'll put up a few pics of camgirl Chica if any of you recognize this loose cannon hehe. Thanks in advance.

[Blade2001]

Greetings all,

I am looking for the higher end options of girls. Where can I find the top notch ones? Websites or place recommendations would be much appreciated. And is it possible to go to the high end strip clubs and not drink at all? Just take the girl home?

Lido's is the highest end strip club in the North. I was there just a month ago. Don't bother with any other clubs in the north El Retiro area like La Piscina, Olympics or Dan Carlos (I think that's the name) as they mostly have average looking girls at high prices, most from Venezuela. For your typical monger it's best just to avoid north Bogota altogether and stick to the Santa Fe area in the south, but if you have money to burn you could check out Lidos. I was there a month ago and there were a lot of 7 and 8 level girls, a couple of 9's but they were with other customers. It's 200 K COP exit fee (about $50 US just to take a girl out of the club. Last time I took a girl out of there was several years ago and paid about 500 K COP for 2 hours, so pretty expensive. Make sure you negotiate the fee before hand for several hours or all night. I've heard of tourists getting charged large amounts of money in the morning since they didn't speak much Spanish and didn't agree on a fee. If the girl is negotiating in US dollars you are pretty guaranteed to get ripped off.

There is no way to avoid buying at least one drink for yourself and the girl. Cheapest drinks are 40 K COP ($10 US) for you and probably twice that for the girl. But if these prices scare you, you probably shouldn't even visit this club. You can get at least 5 girls in Santa Fe area for the price of 1 in the north.

Another option is Flirt Hotel. I visited there several years ago and not sure if it's still open, although google says it is. You don't have to actually stay there to visit the girls, but you do have to call ahead of time and make an appointment to visit. When I called several years ago the person answering spoke English, but who knows if they will now.

This place operates like a casa in that when you arrive, you'll sit on a couch and they'll bring out girls in a lineup for you to choose from. There were about 10 girls and some stunners in the mix. There are rooms on site for you to take the girls and rooms are 5 star quality. Girls are 600 K COP for 30 minutes or 900 K COP for 1 hour, so very expensive. Close to US prices although you're dealing with much hotter girls than in the US.

As far as online girls, can't help you much there. It's been hit and miss for me. There are some stunners that can be found but also had a lot of bait and switch.

[Tiguere Abroad]

Her ad says 110,000 for 1 hour, so I take it there was a 60,000 charge for her to come to you.

That is correct. It would have been less if I travelled but I'm not comfortable going to houses or w / e she was at while at night.

[Ptrbrgr]

Hell, Fauci did not know what to say with regards to vaccinating previously infected people in light of the recent Israeli data on how much better natural immunity was in comparison to vaccine induced immunity, but you do. Oh right, that Israeli study has not been peer reviewed.

You either do not read what you cite, or you do not fully comprehend what you read. Let me help you out, my man.

In case you did read that pre-print, it should not have escaped your notice that this is an observational study. With that, you have to be extremely careful to make sure your groups are comparable, in the sense that differences you see between the groups are not due to design issues and how the subjects were ascertained. So people in the field usually have a fine antenna out for potential problems. This pre-print stands out in the sense that you can see right away (on the abstract page!) that there is a humdinger of a flaw.

"SARS-CoV-2-nave vaccines had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8. 08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021."

Vaccination in Israel started December 19, 2020. Who were the people who got vaccinated in January and February of 2021? The most ill, frail, in general, the people at the highest risk. It is almost comical that Gazit et al thought that by matching age, sex, and geographical area (and adjusting occasionally for an ICD code, which they said didn't make a difference anyways) they can generate an appropriate comparison group (and if there is a variable you want to match on, it is comorbidity, which only highlights their utter quantitative ignorance). To the day we do not fully understand what all the CoViD risk factors are, but according to these guys, one only needs age, sex, zip code, an ICD code (maybe), bam, done. What a bunch of clowns.

There are other issues too. People who get vaccinated tend to have a different exposure than the unvaccinated, which they acknowledge in the Discussion but throw the hands in the air about ("although we controlled for age, sex, and region of residence, our results might be affected by differences between the groups in terms of health behaviors (such as social distancing and mask wearing), a possible confounder that was not assessed" It is easy to see many other potential problems. There is a reason randomized clinical trials are the gold standard, since by definition, the difference you see must be due to the treatment (or is the result of some very unlikely outcome, with a likelihood that itself can be quantified). Yes, there is an entire field trying to draw causal inference from observational studies, but it surely requires more diligence and skills than these yahoos appear to have.

All the technical study design mambo jambo aside, the most important question in science is "does this make sense"? Quite often, when we analyze the data from a study, the results do support what we believed a priori. But sometimes they don't. Then the question is 'How come'? And we start to ask ourselves whether there could be explanations we have not considered before. And if we cannot come up with an explanation, that means we either observed something that still escapes us, or something went awry. Case in point: when it comes to CoViD-19, we consistently see that vaccination produces greater amounts of circulating antibodies than natural infection. So on a molecular level, how is it possible that higher antibody levels lead to poorer health outcomes? I have no idea. Do you?

I'll keep an eye out, but I won't hold my breath that this manuscript will make it into a decent journal.

You are welcome.