Bogota Reports

[Elvis 2008]

There is no scientific evidence that climate has an affect on the virus. MERS that is in the family of coronavirus started in the Middle East. It's hot as fuck there. So don't count on it.

Sigh. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3550308.

There seems to be a lot of stupid hysteria out there: reinfection, no immunity, 100,000 to 200,000 dead in the USA. Anyone who looks objectively at the data can make their own conclusions about what is happening. When I looked at climate, international travels, and the shape of the curve with regards to infection, what I expected to see and what I have seen are the same.

If you look at existing cases, governments IMO are keeping the lag time of recovered cases deliberately low and give the impression that the virus is still spreading with new end in sight.

If you look at the curves of countries that have recovered, there is an exponential surge up, a peaking and then an exponential falling off.

If you read between the lines of the news, that is why there is hype IMO about re-infection even though there has been no significant re-infection in recovered countries. Maybe it comes back in the Fall but no one really knows what will happen then.

If you look at new cases not just in the USA, but in the world, it is pretty clear what part of the curve we are on. The number of new cases is at about 20,000 per day in the USA and 50,000 in the world right now and 100 or so in Colombia, and it has been like that for about the last 5-6 days. IMO the world, the USA, and even Colombia are in the plateau phase.

Feel free to hurl insults about "scientific evidence" though. I am used to that. When the "experts" are touting huge numbers like 100,000 to 200,000 American deaths (whatever the fuck that means), I tune them out. I would bet anyone that there will be between 0 and 100,000 dead in the USA given that there were only 3300 deaths in China and 12,000 in Italy.

[Zeos1]

I live in NY, but thankfully not in the city. The reason the US is showing the most cases is because of all the available testing. Many developing countries don't have access to that amount of testing, so they show lower numbers. The fact is the virus is everywhere now like any other virus, not just the US, China, and some European countries. Since over 90% of people that catch this have mild to no symptoms, it's impossible to have a correct count. I've had a cough for the past two weeks. Does that mean I caught the virus? Who knows, but it's going away. The virus will spread fast through any city around the world because of population density. It doesn't matter if its NYC, Bogota, or Timbuktu. I just read that Colombia is considering extending the lock-down by another three months, and I'm not surprised. Eventually, like the flu, a vaccine will be developed, but it's going to be a while.

Don't think the US is up to speed on testing. In spite of what someone said yesterday. On a per capita basis US is still way behind lots of places. But I agree that many other places are behind too, and for sure Colombia. And also that there are a lot of un-counted people with it wandering around.

The key is to get people to self isolate. And hopefully be able to test those who deliver essential services and health care so that any infections can be identified quickly and get those people isolated.

I think things will be locked down for a while. No country can tolerate a 1% death rate. They will try to save as many people as possible.

[IronQuinn]

I agree with ME, LL. I wouldn't count on it. Colombia has less than 10,000 ventilators (the USA Has 200,000) although scientists there are working on a cheap prototype: https://colombiareports.com/colombia...beat-covid-19/.

Before NYC was worst in the USA, I figured it would be given the population density and climate. Bogota has a similar issue to NYC given the climate and population density. It will be interesting to see if the altitude has any effect on the virus. Right now, Lima is pretty warm but in three months or so, I think Lima is going to be the perfect petri dish for the virus.

Given the lack of ventilator capacity, I understand the crazy snap judgments made. Peru though was nuts: the borders instantly shut it down with no warning at all stranding foreigners.

Other part that is interesting to me is if we will see the warm and humid parts of the country escape the effects now that travel has been banned. Someone died in Cartagena, a taxi driver, after being exposed to someone who was infected from Italy. If the virus is as temperature and humidity dependent as expected, we should see a lot of new cases in Bogota, a moderate amount in Medellin, and very few in Cartagena and Barranquilla. It will be interesting to see if Cartagena and Barranquilla escape this virus threat unscathed.

I hate to watch in the sense that there are people going to be sick and dying, but I think given the extreme variations in climate, Colombia is going to be one of the most interesting places to watch with regards to the virus and how it spreads.

I live in NY, but thankfully not in the city. The reason the US is showing the most cases is because of all the available testing. Many developing countries don't have access to that amount of testing, so they show lower numbers. The fact is the virus is everywhere now like any other virus, not just the US, China, and some European countries. Since over 90% of people that catch this have mild to no symptoms, it's impossible to have a correct count. I've had a cough for the past two weeks. Does that mean I caught the virus? Who knows, but it's going away. The virus will spread fast through any city around the world because of population density. It doesn't matter if its NYC, Bogota, or Timbuktu. I just read that Colombia is considering extending the lock-down by another three months, and I'm not surprised. Eventually, like the flu, a vaccine will be developed, but it's going to be a while.

[YyzTravel]

Perhaps the rebound will present some favorable options.

I had the offer today to reschedule my flights, or take a refund. Went for the refund. I imagine the flight deals will be spectacular to entice travel once the bans are lifted. The airlines will be desperately trying to rebuild revenues and expedite the timeframe.

Exactly this; I just picked up a DeltaOne seat in September direct flight from ATL for $700.

[Dcfan77]

There is no scientific evidence that climate has an affect on the virus. MERS that is in the family of coronavirus started in the Middle East. It's hot as fuck there. So don't count on it.

I agree with ME, LL. I wouldn't count on it. Colombia has less than 10,000 ventilators (the USA Has 200,000) although scientists there are working on a cheap prototype: https://colombiareports.com/colombia...beat-covid-19/.

Before NYC was worst in the USA, I figured it would be given the population density and climate. Bogota has a similar issue to NYC given the climate and population density. It will be interesting to see if the altitude has any effect on the virus. Right now, Lima is pretty warm but in three months or so, I think Lima is going to be the perfect petri dish for the virus.

Given the lack of ventilator capacity, I understand the crazy snap judgments made. Peru though was nuts: the borders instantly shut it down with no warning at all stranding foreigners.

Other part that is interesting to me is if we will see the warm and humid parts of the country escape the effects now that travel has been banned. Someone died in Cartagena, a taxi driver, after being exposed to someone who was infected from Italy. If the virus is as temperature and humidity dependent as expected, we should see a lot of new cases in Bogota, a moderate amount in Medellin, and very few in Cartagena and Barranquilla. It will be interesting to see if Cartagena and Barranquilla escape this virus threat unscathed..

[Turgid]

Are you trolling us? Or do you really do this?

If you do, yes it is completely wrong and you know why. Any time two parties agree on price and the seller delivers the goods the buyer must pay the agreed price. Totally doesn't matter what's being sold. Once agreed a deal is a deal. And what you are doing is flat out dishonest and deceitful. I see no room for debate personally.

The absolute worse person to deal with is a sleazeball.

[Steve 9696]

Hey fellas,

I wanted you guys opinion so lately I've been paying girls my price meaning I would agree to there crazy price but after I hit I just pay her my standard 50 k. Guys I'm tired of being cheated. Think about it the Colombian men don't have to pay that crazy price of 200 k+ so why should I anyway, I'm just resetting the market I guess. Am I wrong for doing this? If so why.

Are you trolling us? Or do you really do this?

If you do, yes it is completely wrong and you know why. Any time two parties agree on price and the seller delivers the goods the buyer must pay the agreed price. Totally doesn't matter what's being sold. Once agreed a deal is a deal. And what you are doing is flat out dishonest and deceitful. I see no room for debate personally.

[JonSnow1]

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[Sleazball02]

Hey fellas,

I wanted you guys opinion so lately I've been paying girls my price meaning I would agree to there crazy price but after I hit I just pay her my standard 50 k. Guys I'm tired of being cheated. Think about it the Colombian men don't have to pay that crazy price of 200 k+ so why should I anyway, I'm just resetting the market I guess. Am I wrong for doing this? If so why.

[Elvis 2008]

The borders have been closed, and I was told by a very intelligent professional woman that the quarantine will be until April 15. I'm hoping that's correct, I had to cancel my April 8th trip and I am planning to reschedule it for April 16.

I agree with ME, LL. I wouldn't count on it. Colombia has less than 10,000 ventilators (the USA Has 200,000) although scientists there are working on a cheap prototype: https://colombiareports.com/colombia...beat-covid-19/.

Before NYC was worst in the USA, I figured it would be given the population density and climate. Bogota has a similar issue to NYC given the climate and population density. It will be interesting to see if the altitude has any effect on the virus. Right now, Lima is pretty warm but in three months or so, I think Lima is going to be the perfect petri dish for the virus.

Given the lack of ventilator capacity, I understand the crazy snap judgments made. Peru though was nuts: the borders instantly shut it down with no warning at all stranding foreigners.

Other part that is interesting to me is if we will see the warm and humid parts of the country escape the effects now that travel has been banned. Someone died in Cartagena, a taxi driver, after being exposed to someone who was infected from Italy. If the virus is as temperature and humidity dependent as expected, we should see a lot of new cases in Bogota, a moderate amount in Medellin, and very few in Cartagena and Barranquilla. It will be interesting to see if Cartagena and Barranquilla escape this virus threat unscathed.

I hate to watch in the sense that there are people going to be sick and dying, but I think given the extreme variations in climate, Colombia is going to be one of the most interesting places to watch with regards to the virus and how it spreads.

[Elvis 2008]

Thought they banned Uber?

It is open again now.

[The Cane]

Legitimate fears or just wanting to get out? Probably some of both: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...104057561.html.

[KangarooTed]

What was her basis for telling you this? The numbers are going up by the minute. They are not going down. You can forget about April 16 buddy, unless you mean 2021. When April 16 comes, I want to see a post changing her description to a stupid biotch.

I had a quick internet browse and unless I misread it, I count over 100 countries with borders closed, and yet to see one that has reopened.

Colombia only really started the clock today, likely to be reset again on expiry " Inbound international commercial flights are suspended starting March 23 for 30 days".

I concur we will be waiting a while, for any of them to open. Maybe a rush of desperate mongers to whichever cracks first.

[KangarooTed]

She is trying to dial up an uber right now to get to my home.

The Tall Man.

Thought they banned Uber?

[Mr Enternational]

The borders have been closed, and I was told by a very intelligent professional woman that the quarantine will be until April 15. I'm hoping that's correct, I had to cancel my April 8th trip and I am planning to reschedule it for April 16.

What was her basis for telling you this? The numbers are going up by the minute. They are not going down. You can forget about April 16 buddy, unless you mean 2021. When April 16 comes, I want to see a post changing her description to a stupid biotch.