Bogota Reports

[Santrago]

How's the scene in Santa Fe and Chapinero on Sunday and Monday night?

Going next week but only have time those nights, 9/1 and 9/2.

Santa Fe is always better not alone, so looking for a wingman. I want to try la 49 as well given the recent good reports.

I'm young and like to party / drink, I'm fluent in Spanish.

Hit me up if I'm Bogota those dates.

[DonCarlos1234]

Spot on from JjBee. Listen up to all your "hopeless romantics", first I must admit that I too use to fall into this category but here in Colombia the very best advice that I can give anyone is do NOT take anything or anyone serious, especially the chicas. I will be the first to admit that I had to learn this life lesson.

I don't give a shit how well they fuck you in bed or how they can look into your eyes and your feeling that they are touching your soul, how when they tell you that "age difference does not matter" or how they treat you when around in public. Enjoy it ABSOLUTELY but never take anything serious.

I know it is difficult but please follow this advice. I can spend days detailing real experiences that I have had and some ongoing, hell just twice in the past 2 days with 2 different paisas proclaiming their undying love and devotion to me and guess what? Yep this same chicas are some of the girls that some of you think is all into you..

Your mailbox is full. Did you make it to Cucuta? And any idea how to motivate / pay bus fare (for a vnz girl and know if she will show up?

[Mr Enternational]

Are you serious? Are you really bragging about this? This is how you treat a "friend"?

I am plenty of people's friend; I am nobody's bank. There is a difference. You however, after being someone's bank, is saying how terrible an entire nationality is. I should be the one asking if YOU are serious.

I was concerned about losing my gal to another guy: a guy with rip roaring abs or one who gave her more cash.

I guess you still don't know what the Beetles were singing of when they said that money can't buy me love.

[GeneHickman]

In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.

Indeed. Just one small difference. In the US those are a minority and in V'zla they are a majority. Extreme leftward views with which sadly some in the US are flirting invariably lead to such an outcome. I trust that the majority in the US have the sense to know that, but if I am wrong in that, then the US is not immune to such developments either. Might just take a bit more time.

[JohnyV]

Hello ISG,

Last night was a very fun night, we went to Pasarela Club and had a very fun moment, prices are as the regular clubs in Santa Fe, but this club is in 49 and Caracas, there are three more clubs.

The amazing thing of the night was discovering the night club Fourty Nine, because it is awesome, I would say that is the best club I have been in Bogota, it has really nice VIP section, nice very nice girls, and a lot of other places inside it that it makes you feel that you are not in Bogota, well I hope you have the opportunity to come.

Johny V.

[Elvis 2008]

In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.

In Venezuela, teachers asked their students to pray to God to give them ice cream. They prayed and got nothing. The teachers then asked them to pray to Hugo Chavez, and they did so, and the teachers gave them ice cream. The teachers then told the students that they could trust Hugo Chavez more than God.

The sad part is I can today see an American politician read the above story, stroking his chin saying, "Hmmm, not a bad idea."

[Elvis 2008]

YK,

I get you guys are trying to be helpful, but the cynicism you and me show towards women is pretty incredible. I don't regret my relationship with my fiance it all. There is something to be said for wanting to lay in her arms all night versus just fuck, the special way a woman in love looks at you. I have been cynical too. I didn't think I could fall in love again, didn't think it was in me to want to be monogamous with someone again, but I did. We were together for 2 years. What broke us up was that she didn't understand how free markets were. This company she "worked" for was very slick, but that is all they were, and she, being from a socialist country, fell for a multilevel marketing scheme that I doubt she would have fell for if she lived in a capitalist country. People from Venezuela are different because of what they have been told, what they have seen, and you can talk to the average Colombian about Venezuelans, and they will share their views which are practically identical to mine.

It's different than when the USSR fell and Russian women stormed the scene in the late 1990's. Those women were kept in the dark, but it is similar in that Venezuelans have to learn the rules of capitalism. They come from a country where they see people eating out of the trash, leaders who derided capitalism but stuffed their pockets full of cash. The American Dream doesn't exist in Venezuela. If you work hard, had a long term perspective, and provided solutions in the market place, you were a sucker. The government would steal you blind. The people who got rich in Venezuela are / were self serving drug dealers and thieves. That affects people. My gal thought this multilevel marketing shit was going to make her a millionaire, and she didn't tell me about it because she knew I was cynical of it. She still believes that she will be rich doing it BTW. I shouldn't have put the stuff in there about seeing another man. I think it was more about how she was hiding who she was from me that made her sexually frigid in the end. And you guys don't get this part. Both our families were cynical of our relationship and when they saw us together, they wanted it to work out. It wasn't just me who bought into the dream.

And the reason I posted my story was to warn people about Venezuelans. They ARE different because of what they have seen, what they have been told. I was concerned about losing my gal to another guy: a guy with rip roaring abs or one who gave her more cash. I never thought I would lose her to a con man.

I think what you guys ARE talking about is falling for a woman like this Santa Fe stripper I met. The best lay of the trip so far has been Asakira. She dances at Troya. Well, all the women move around the clubs down there, but that was the one club where we met. I invited her back to my hotel. She was up for $100 for TLN. I paid for the hotel versus in house facilities because she agreed to DFK and BBBJs OTC. She was so good in bed that a lot of guys would fall for her right there. Her BBBJ may have been the best I have ever had. The reason I am sharing her name is because outside of another roll in the hay, I am not interested in anything else with her.

I don't get the part about being with someone every day. For 18 months, there were no issues with me and my gal. If she were in a position where she could have come to the USA, it might have worked even better. I was giving her in a month what I paid a SB for a night with me. Paying for a USA Girl with her qualities for a week or two in Mexico would have cost four, maybe even five figures in the past. You can video chat for free these days and we did every week. Shit, half of the times I have bought an American woman a ticket for a trip, I have been stiffed. American women are scared of traveling for some reason. My gal loved it, and here in Colombia, every woman I have offered up a trip with has ate it up, and they have jumped at the meager amount per day I have offered. I probably am going to cut the offer in half and see what happens.

It's never easy to know how much to give. Steve Jobs said it was easier to make money than to give it away. It's tricky. You want to give enough so a woman can do anything but not enough so they do nothing. That is a paraphrased line from Warren Buffett, and I am skeptical of anyone who thinks they have the answer on how much the right amount is to give any woman.

Yes, I want to recreate what I had. I am not forcing love, but I want to be with someone with the potential for love. I am interested in seeing a Colombian woman for a week vacation and see what happens from there. The price is too high for quality American women. I had some of the best looking and best performing SBs you guys have ever seen: Bud Light girl, college cheerleader, a woman who was a dead ringer for a SI swimsuit model, but I never thought about getting serious with any of them. They all had a screw loose, and they want marriage for something serious. I know Hollywood talks of Romance and the hell of divorce is not talked about nearly enough. 50% of my income? Fuck that.

I have met and bedded several Colombian women now. Just because they are professionals does not mean they aren't hucksters, but it is cynical to think they are all hucksters. The best lay was the Santa Fe stripper, but the test time I had was with a 2nd grade teacher, and she was great in the sack. The woman loved sucking cock. In between her, who never even gave me a price tag, was an engineer asking for $400 a day and a lawyer who wanted $300. I kicked them both to the curb. The other one with potential for a vacation was a 19 year old who is a model / finance student. She is too young for anything serious, but she would be fun to hang with for a week. And I have more lined up. It's been a busy week.

[Turgid]

............I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word............

In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.

[IronQuinn]

It is easy for me to do because being a player I have probably 100 or so chicks and I am not trying to settle down like that.

Slapping my knee, this is cracking me up so much. How do you find the time to post so much with a harem like that swooning over you?

[Elvis 2008]

I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?

Are you serious? Are you really bragging about this? This is how you treat a "friend"?

[JjBee62]

Yes they will use you and lie to you. Don't let them. In the animal kingdom you need to be assertive. I've been burned before in my early days of mongering but not as bad. Here's how to do it properly:

(1) Stop looking for love in foreign places. You can find it where you live. It doesn't even need to be romantic love. A good female friend is just as valuable and sufficient.

(2) All Latinas who take money from extranjeros (foreigners) to support themselves are going to have at least one, sometimes more, local guys they party with and fuck. Especially in Colombia women don't go out alone so they always need a guy to go with. Usually these guys are scumbags who mooch off the chica since you keep supporting her. Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.

(3) Don't talk long term or any of that shit. You don't want to be the guy I mention in point (2). You want to be the rich guy who fucks her like a champ whenever you're in town.

(4) Accept the fact that fucking and dating for short periods when you visit is all you're going to get. Everything else is just lies, pain and suffering.

Go to Colombia. Have a good time. Take some photos. When you get back you can look at the photos and remember the good times. Unless you move there that's all you should expect.

If you want to see the truth of #2, go hang out around Western Union and watch. You'll see the hot chicks go in to pick up money. They'll almost always have 2 guys with them. One is the boyfriend. The other is his friend. After they get the money, she'll take them out partying.

[JjBee62]

Jesus, you this harsh with everybody? I think he realizes his mistake without the salt you're pouring. Plus, I'd re-read those texts. That girl's not asking you "directly", but she's laying some hints. If she's got the cash to travel to the States, and send her daughter to Chile, the cost of a visa, along with a $50 daily limit is peanuts. You know she'd like to go, be a pal and send her the cash, ha, ha. You speak with her in English? -I'm just messing with you, man. I think his post was a good story shared. This forum is all about helping the next guy.

So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.

It's a harsh world. You're not doing anyone a favor by sugar coating everything.

Substitute an American from Texas for his Venezuelan and I had the same experience. It hits you in the gut when you find out the woman who has been telling your whole family how much she loves you, is out shopping for a better deal. It's even worse when her mother is telling you how much her daughter loves you, while the mother is setting her up with married sugar daddies.

It's an expensive lesson to learn and money isn't the biggest cost.

[YippieKayay]

A female friend of mine told me to look at all her social media. She said, "All these idiots think they can hide shit on social media, and they can't". She found her instagram page and sure enough it was like she suspected. There were all pictures of her family, friends, and none of me. Even one had the #love on it next to a guy. I was pissed, but she did zero about it to fix it. She was working when she told me she wasn't. Well, she was in on of these multimarket scams. Family pleaded with me to go to Lima and get her back. She even broke up with me before I broke up with her. Unbeknownst to my family, I decided to go to Bogota instead and offered to fly her here. I didn't hear from her. From nearly married with kids to being fucking ghosted.

Yes they will use you and lie to you. Don't let them. In the animal kingdom you need to be assertive. I've been burned before in my early days of mongering but not as bad. Here's how to do it properly:

(1) Stop looking for love in foreign places. You can find it where you live. It doesn't even need to be romantic love. A good female friend is just as valuable and sufficient.

(2) All Latinas who take money from extranjeros (foreigners) to support themselves are going to have at least one, sometimes more, local guys they party with and fuck. Especially in Colombia women don't go out alone so they always need a guy to go with. Usually these guys are scumbags who mooch off the chica since you keep supporting her. Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.

(3) Don't talk long term or any of that shit. You don't want to be the guy I mention in point (2). You want to be the rich guy who fucks her like a champ whenever you're in town.

(4) Accept the fact that fucking and dating for short periods when you visit is all you're going to get. Everything else is just lies, pain and suffering.

Go to Colombia. Have a good time. Take some photos. When you get back you can look at the photos and remember the good times. Unless you move there that's all you should expect.

[Mr Enternational]

So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.

But that is all nationalities, not just Venezuelans. You can't generalize and say how bad Venezuelans are because you happened to get used by one. The problem does not lie in the nationality of the girl. The problem lies in the inability of the hopeless romantic to tell when he is being used.

Of course her family liked him if he was footing the bill for sending them all across the world. In Rio we used to say you will know how much these chicks really like you when you show up with no money. If someone is still around you when you are not paying for everything and helping them out of financial jams (those will never end) then you have a winner. But if you are always having to come out of your pocket, that is when you need to take heed.

It is easy for me to do because being a player I have probably 100 or so chicks and I am not trying to settle down like that. Imagine 100 chicks coming to me talking about needing money for a $20 electric bill or whatever. That would be 2000 damn dollars for me to give out. Not possible. But when you are concentrating on only 1 chick, the nickel and diming will slide through until either they feel they have used you enough and want to go on to suck the blood out of someone else, or you realize you have been had. In the OP's case, he had set his chick and her family up nice and it was not until she had already moved on to do her own thing when he started questioning everything.

And just like anything it gets easier with practice. It was hard the first time a chick had to ask a guy for money. But as they kept doing it, it got easier and easier to where it is just second nature and rolls off the tongue. Telling them no is the same way. It may be hard the first couple of times because you are afraid to lose out on the pussy, but as you practice it and practice it, you can do it in your sleep. One of my chicks recently asked me for money and I told her nope I did not have it. She said you never have it. I said, yet you continue to ask.

[IronQuinn]

Dude all women are the same. It is just that you are not used to the bullshit of the women that live somewhere that you don't travel to frequently. Even less if you don't speak the language of the person. You can put up with more of the foreign bullshit (and even more if you are afraid to lose the chick) than the local bullshit, until you become accustomed to the foreign bullshit too. That is why it behooves you to put your foot down at the first sign of bullshit from any woman instead of kissing up to her and giving in to her.

I know plenty of good Venezuelan women. Don't blame them if you chose to be a hopeless romantic (I don't even let chicks know I have a facebook, nevermind putting them on mine and wanting them to put me on theirs) and white knight and go around saving people. Any expat on ISG will tell you that you have no business investing like that in a person if you are not going to be there with them day to day. Hell, I was messing with a chick where I live in Thailand. I had to head to the States to my aunt's funeral, and she got pregnant while I was gone. Her kid is almost 2 and we are still friends and fuck buddies. But unlike you, I don't invest like that in chicks, so there are no sour grapes.

You made a horrible investment and you are the only one to blame. I am sure that if you told any friends about this beforehand they told you it was a bad idea and you told them to go to hell because you knew what you were doing. I have a buddy that lives in the Philippines and he was messing with a chick that died. He was still supporting her kids afterwards. That is exactly what he told me when I told him that was not his responsibility. Then when he found out the chick really did not die and he was being scammed, it was then yeah man you were right. I do not know what I was thinking.

I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?

Jesus, you this harsh with everybody? I think he realizes his mistake without the salt you're pouring. Plus, I'd re-read those texts. That girl's not asking you "directly", but she's laying some hints. If she's got the cash to travel to the States, and send her daughter to Chile, the cost of a visa, along with a $50 daily limit is peanuts. You know she'd like to go, be a pal and send her the cash, ha, ha. You speak with her in English? -I'm just messing with you, man. I think his post was a good story shared. This forum is all about helping the next guy.

So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.