Bogota Reports

[Nounce]

You wouldn't. I wouldn't. I was merely pointing out, in order to want the girls to keep their prices low so mongers (you and I) can have cheap sex, you must also acknowledge that you're literally hoping they stay in some level of poverty (in some cases wishing to be regulator of the industry and its prices; see colluding posts). It's one thing taking advantage of the situation in parts of the world, quite another to suggest the worlds men collude to keep the girls just poor enough.

I think you missed a point, he did not say don't give them more money, just don't associate the money with selling sex.

Is anyone on the ground in Colombia? How are things looking in terms of ongoing lockdowns / quarantine? There's not a huge amount in the media. I've heard they've had a significant drop in cases for no apparent reason (like India and a few others). And of course the vaccine (albeit slow). What is the mood? And when do you guys guess we'll be back in the sky not facing a lockdown or quarantine at the other end?

You know that you just pissed off probably the only person on the ground who is posting regularly for no other reason than to give back, right?

[Mr Enternational]

You're calling people "dumb foreigners" because they're willing to pay more?

It is not what I am calling people. It is what the chicks that you want to make rich are calling people. What should a person be called when they walk in to McDonald's and volunteer to pay $5 for the same Big Mac everybody else is paying $2 for?

Give me a break. Why should the average tourist care if pensions don't stretch that far?

I'm a monger and I'm not incredibly rich, this will also impact me, but let's be realistic and fair lads.

Were you around Colombia when the exchange rate was 1600 pesos to 1 USD? Were you around Brazil when the exchange rate was 1.59 reais to 1 USD? Were you around Dominican republic when a chick would stay with you all night for $30? I was.

Compare the keeping the girls poor rates you are paying today to the exchange rates of those days and you will see who will be coming out the poor ones. Those exchange rates could very well show up again. That is why you want to think about what things are costing from a local perspective and not from the perspective of back home or what you are able to get with your exhange rate. What is costing you $50 today could cost you $170 tomorrow on exchange rate alone. I think those "pensioners" that you mentioned that have lived this have a better grasp of the issue, treading lightly and not playing the weekend millionaire.

At the end of the day, I speak French, Portuguese, Spanish, and Thai and know my way around all these countries. I mostly only deal with normal chicks that are not hookers anyway, so it is not going to affect me. I am just trying to look out for the next monger.

[Turgid]

Obviously the poorest countries don't have the infrastructure to set up a good scene. If we were talking about overall quality of establishments and girls regardless of how much you're willing to spend, then yeah, German FKK clubs would be a top contender. But Everyone knows Europe is an expensive place to monger and if you try to save money you will have extremely mechanical experiences most places. I've had a couple good experiences in Spain for under 100 euros and Germany I had some good value yet still mechanical services, and I've had some great experiences for 100-150 euros. Some girls at FKK clubs will ask for like 400 euros and that's basically GF experience price for an hour or 2. Way too much IMO especially now that I've been to South America. But if I ever become a multi millionaire I'll move to Germany.

I've read it before of mechanical service in Europe. This confuses me because some of my best sex has been in German FKKs. Yes I have gotten poor service but that is in the small minority similar to Latin American destinations with the exception of the DR where I've gotten a greater percentage of poor service. My favorite mongering destinations are German FKKs. Generally Brazilian garotas give better service but I still prefer to monger in Germany.

[LatinaLover#1]

I've been hearing this discussion for years now. The same constant bullshit was on the other board years ago. The fact is, there is not one monger fits all. One mans floor is another mans ceiling. Some travel once a year or less, other many times a year and others live in Colombia for instance. Hello! There is no Monger Union jaja. You can't control what other guys do. Some girls will accept less others think they have gold and if one inexperienced guys pays stupid money they will try to hold out for that. I have seen it more than once where a girl working Vila Mimosa for 50 Reals and later that night she would work help and demand 300 reals.

The best you can do is to build up a private stable of girls that are open minded and fun. I have some that I have been seeing for 5 or 6 years some longer and others a few months. Just use your game, make the girl like you and don't be afraid to walk if she won't negotiate. "Women are like buses, another one comes along every 5 minutes!

[Elvis 2008]

You wouldn't. I wouldn't. I was merely pointing out, in order to want the girls to keep their prices low so mongers (you and I) can have cheap sex, you must also acknowledge that you're literally hoping they stay in some level of poverty (in some cases wishing to be regulator of the industry and its prices; see colluding posts). It's one thing taking advantage of the situation in parts of the world, quite another to suggest the worlds men collude to keep the girls just poor enough.

Sigh. You know nothing. Again, you think the market is this incredible efficient machine where supply and demand magically work. Truth is that when someone comes in and pays 10 X the going rate, it hurts not helps the women because it disrupts the market. So if someone comes in and spends $50 for a gallon of gasoline, is that a good thing? No, it creates disruption and when a guy like you does that and looks for information for others on the local scene, you are going to be shut out. Kazeu has the information you seek but you were too busy lecturing him on the market reality and he has turned his back on you.

I get it, it sucks when the pussy doesn't think $20 is enough to sleep with a man 40 years her senior. When guys are doubling the rate and killing the game. When internet platforms are providing girls potential income. It sucks, but it literally only sucks for hardcore mongers, and they've had a hell of a ride over the years. The change (albeit slow IMO) is inevitable because for everyone else it's better.

Wrong answer. You think prices will go up but Kazeu is there every day supporting the locals. Some guy goes in and fucks up the scene, and he leaves and finds another scene and the local market crumbles. You think guys will pay anything for pussy and they will not. They will take their money and play elsewhere. There is always going to be a new scene somewhere in the world.

You do not know this because of how young you are, but the price of a lap dance is the same today as it was in the 1980's, $20. I have seen women and clubs try so hard to get that price higher, and the reason it does not work is simple, $20 is for a woman dancing for 4 minutes. IOW, it is too damned high to begin with. But because the price point is known, I do not put up with shit from anyone trying to get more. So when a club tries jacking up the price or cutting the amount of songs in half, I walk. I have never had a hard time finding a girl willing to do a lap dance for $20. If some guy comes in and pays $100 a song and raises the rate to that level, I and guys like me take off and a club may go out of business because of it and then the woman is going to have NO income. So price discovery is good for all involved. I am not happy overpaying for a service, and I have not met a guy happy doing so either.

As for a woman sleeping with a guy 40 years her senior, all I can say is you are stereotyping women and have no clue how they really are. I have never seen a woman whoring herself out and saying it is okay because she is fucking 30 year old dick and not 70 year old dick. All that comment shows me is you do not understand women at all.

[TalkYes]

You are saying this as if the local GUYS do not monger. Prices only go up for the dumb foreigners that do not know any better and do not know how to source chicks the same way the locals do. For instance, I live in Thailand. You see guys saying how expensive it is to take a chick out of the gogo bar these days. Well I never took a girl out of the gogo bar and I am able to meet the same chicks and give them the same $30 for all night as I have been doing the last 14 years. Whereas others are shelling out well over $100. I know Kazeu and it will affect neither he nor I. We just try to look out for the other man. But people don't realize what they had until they have fucked it off.

Yeah I mean you're always going to pay a premium if you go to a bar and have to have what you see right then and there. If you wait until the girls get off work and meet at the club, you'll get a better deal. If you get their number and schedule a session at a time that's convenient for them like in the day, then again you're saving money. If you've built a rapport with a girl, you might save money or you might just get better service for the same money, which is close enough. But it doesn't matter how strategic you are after a certain point. If enough people are in town willing to pay, the rates go up across the board, even for the locals. Theoretically at least.

[ReignSupreme01]

You are saying this as if the local GUYS do not monger. Prices only go up for the dumb foreigners that do not know any better and do not know how to source chicks the same way the locals do. For instance, I live in Thailand. You see guys saying how expensive it is to take a chick out of the gogo bar these days. Well I never took a girl out of the gogo bar and I am able to meet the same chicks and give them the same $30 for all night as I have been doing the last 14 years. Whereas others are shelling out well over $100. I know Kazeu and it will affect neither he nor I. We just try to look out for the other man. But people don't realize what they had until they have fucked it off.

I don't think he's suggesting the locals don't monger, he's saying it's OK when the locals start to do better. It's a market like any other and it's highly prized. Fantastic that you're plugged in and paying low rates, well done. You're calling people "dumb foreigners" because they're willing to pay more? Give me a break. Why should the average tourist care if pensions don't stretch that far? Or more to the point, why would the girls? What other of life's greatest pleasures can you afford for 20-30 a day? It's underpriced and the market will begin to adjust accordingly. You live in SEA, look at what's happened so far, and will continue to happen. They're levelling up, slowly but surely. Good luck to them.

I'm a monger and I'm not incredibly rich, this will also impact me, but let's be realistic and fair lads.

[Mr Enternational]

I totally agree. If prices go up it's better to just try and be happy for the locals at your own expense. I made a post like this in general by accident meaning to post it here.

You are saying this as if the local GUYS do not monger. Prices only go up for the dumb foreigners that do not know any better and do not know how to source chicks the same way the locals do. For instance, I live in Thailand. You see guys saying how expensive it is to take a chick out of the gogo bar these days. Well I never took a girl out of the gogo bar and I am able to meet the same chicks and give them the same $30 for all night as I have been doing the last 14 years. Whereas others are shelling out well over $100. I know Kazeu and it will affect neither he nor I. We just try to look out for the other man. But people don't realize what they had until they have fucked it off.

[ReignSupreme01]

Is anyone on the ground in Colombia? How are things looking in terms of ongoing lockdowns / quarantine? There's not a huge amount in the media. I've heard they've had a significant drop in cases for no apparent reason (like India and a few others). And of course the vaccine (albeit slow). What is the mood? And when do you guys guess we'll be back in the sky not facing a lockdown or quarantine at the other end?

[ReignSupreme01]

I totally agree. If prices go up it's better to just try and be happy for the locals at your own expense. I made a post like this in general by accident meaning to post it here.

But I think it might not blow up as bad and as fast as everyone is saying. I noticed that Brazil's Real has weakened significantly against the dollar a lot more so than the Colombian Peso, so that will affect a lot of peoples decision to go there. You said that Colombia has become a "cool" vacation destination but I don't know if that's the same demographic as us. In other words, someone going to appreciate the architecture isn't going to inflate the price of the girls. Overall, I think the industry will grow and flourish comfortably to adapt to any increased demand without prices going up too much, at least for a little while. I'm curious as to just why people think it's going to blow up so fast other than just premonition. From what I can tell, it's been the way it is for a while, so why now?

Interesting point regarding the real, that will almost certainly have an impact. I think you'd be surprised, and maybe the main "culprits" for "putting up the prices" are the architecture etc lovers. The mainstream visitor, rather than the hardcore monger (the mainstream doesn't do the colluding thing and so spoils the game for those who choose to).

Also agree with you on the industry keeping up with demand for some time. In terms of Colombia being cool (I may be showing I'm a younger monger here) it is just premonition. Colombia has earned a pretty solid reputation across a lot of age groups / traveller types. Now couple that with the low entry requirements during the pandemic, putting it in the spotlight to every monger / person from here to Timbuktu. I think it's fair to say they can expect an uptick in every type of tourism, including sex. Whether it blows up or (more likely) steadily increases I'm not sure, but I think it's fair to say it's on the up.

[ReignSupreme01]

I have never been the one to pay higher prices for something that I can get for lower that is the same or equivalent. That goes for anything. Why would you pay full price for same thing that you can get on sale?

You wouldn't. I wouldn't. I was merely pointing out, in order to want the girls to keep their prices low so mongers (you and I) can have cheap sex, you must also acknowledge that you're literally hoping they stay in some level of poverty (in some cases wishing to be regulator of the industry and its prices; see colluding posts). It's one thing taking advantage of the situation in parts of the world, quite another to suggest the worlds men collude to keep the girls just poor enough.

I get it, it sucks when the pussy doesn't think $20 is enough to sleep with a man 40 years her senior. When guys are doubling the rate and killing the game. When internet platforms are providing girls potential income. It sucks, but it literally only sucks for hardcore mongers, and they've had a hell of a ride over the years. The change (albeit slow IMO) is inevitable because for everyone else it's better.

[TalkYes]

That is completely inferior thinking. The countries where it is worst for mongering are the world's poorest countries. Have you tried to monger in the poorest sub-Saharan African countries. The mongering in sub-Saharan Africa is better in the richer countries like South Africa and Kenya than the poorer countries. Same in the Middle East Dubai is the best mongering in the middle east. The poorest countries in the middle east are Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. Lets go to Asia. The poorest countries in Asia are North Korea, Nepal, East Timor, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Myanmar. Have you been to an FKK in Germany? The poorest countries in Europe are Moldovia, Kosovo, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, North Macedonia, Serbia Belarus, Montenegro - who mongers in those countries? Mongers prefer the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland and even the UK. In the Americas who mongers in Honduras, Venezuela, Bolivia, Guyana, Suriname, Belize, Haiti. In the Americas mongers go to the wealthier countries like Panama, Colombia, Costa Rica and Brazil.

Obviously the poorest countries don't have the infrastructure to set up a good scene. If we were talking about overall quality of establishments and girls regardless of how much you're willing to spend, then yeah, German FKK clubs would be a top contender. But Everyone knows Europe is an expensive place to monger and if you try to save money you will have extremely mechanical experiences most places. I've had a couple good experiences in Spain for under 100 euros and Germany I had some good value yet still mechanical services, and I've had some great experiences for 100-150 euros. Some girls at FKK clubs will ask for like 400 euros and that's basically GF experience price for an hour or 2. Way too much IMO especially now that I've been to South America. But if I ever become a multi millionaire I'll move to Germany.

[TalkYes]

This whole mindset of keeping the market rate and how defensive guys are about it blows my mind. What you're essentially saying is, it's better for your pocket if the girls stay poor. I look up the market rate, and I'll keep it in mind but this whole colluding to keep prices low? You wonder why the left wing say the world is full of fat, middle aged white men rigging the game for themselves? Case and point.

The truth is the world will evolve, one day these girls will the preserve of the relatively well off (just like western world where you pay top $). Enjoy it while you can. Find the places you still get pussy for cheap. Feeling you have a right to sleep with 20 year girls for a price you think is sufficient is rubbish.

I'm looking forward to visiting Colombia towards the end of the year. Expecting competition to be stiff.

I totally agree. If prices go up it's better to just try and be happy for the locals at your own expense. I made a post like this in general by accident meaning to post it here.

But I think it might not blow up as bad and as fast as everyone is saying. I noticed that Brazil's Real has weakened significantly against the dollar a lot more so than the Colombian Peso, so that will affect a lot of peoples decision to go there. You said that Colombia has become a "cool" vacation destination but I don't know if that's the same demographic as us. In other words, someone going to appreciate the architecture isn't going to inflate the price of the girls. Overall, I think the industry will grow and flourish comfortably to adapt to any increased demand without prices going up too much, at least for a little while. I'm curious as to just why people think it's going to blow up so fast other than just premonition. From what I can tell, it's been the way it is for a while, so why now?

[Turgid]

...From a mongering perspective its definitely better for mongering if the girls stay poor. If the country stays poor.....

That is completely inferior thinking. The countries where it is worst for mongering are the world's poorest countries. Have you tried to monger in the poorest sub-Saharan African countries. The mongering in sub-Saharan Africa is better in the richer countries like South Africa and Kenya than the poorer countries. Same in the Middle East Dubai is the best mongering in the middle east. The poorest countries in the middle east are Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. Lets go to Asia. The poorest countries in Asia are North Korea, Nepal, East Timor, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Myanmar. Have you been to an FKK in Germany? The poorest countries in Europe are Moldovia, Kosovo, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, North Macedonia, Serbia Belarus, Montenegro - who mongers in those countries? Mongers prefer the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland and even the UK. In the Americas who mongers in Honduras, Venezuela, Bolivia, Guyana, Suriname, Belize, Haiti. In the Americas mongers go to the wealthier countries like Panama, Colombia, Costa Rica and Brazil.

[ReignSupreme01]

Uhh if the girls were not poor then they would not need to be hookers.

That's not strictly true though is it. There would still be hookers, in every country, look at the developed world. There are (and always will be) girls selling pussy. Whether they're poor enough to sell it for the price you want to pay, that's a different matter.

I think the facts are (whether we like it or not), the world is getting smaller, new mongers are being minted daily, income streams are becoming available online (onlyfans, webcam growing). The list goes on, and adds up.

Colombia's lax entry policy during the pandemic made it front and centre for sex tourism. The good news is it's the beginning of the Thailand effect. Many more years of fun to be had, at a reasonable rate. Having said that, I expect bigger crowds year on year.