Bogota Reports

[Bango Cheito]

Alright so after a week in Villavicencio I would say it's not special or even worth it unless you count the spectacular views from the bus drive.

There is basically no one on Tinder or my app is broke. Getting barely any matches and next to no interest whereas in Cartagena I'd have 100+ with girls ready to come over after discussing price. Even the girls on the escort pages do not do domicilios, at least not all of the decent looking ones I contacted. There's a spa called Flor de Lota but I can't get them to send me the catalog.

Anyway, if you like street action or casas then I guess it the same here as anywhere, so nothing special. But if you're like me and want someone to come over for a negotiated price then it's not the place. My guess is that there's just no reason for anyone to be here and girls who live here would not want to get caught by their friends or families. There was one good looking young girl who lives about 30 min away by bus willing to come but I was with the girl I came for at the time. After that, nothing.

TBH every time I've been there I've always had local women for free and only ever p4 p'ed there once. The experience was kinda mediocre.

I recently got back from a month-long motorcycle trip and stopped in many pueblos and smaller cities. Once again, got some nice freebies, didn't even bother with p4 p.

For my money, Bogotá is hands-down the best for p4 p. Best prices, best service, most options. I don't think even Medellíand or Cartagena are worth it. Medellíand is another place where I just go for the FWB thing and don't bother mongering. Cartagena I just tend to avoid like the plague because I can't stand the heat.

[Bango Cheito]

A lot of times I will walk down calle 24-- It's a little quieter than Calle 22 and there is a big vacant lot before Caracas there's a lot of homeless there -- But in the daytime it's fine.

See my crappy phone video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-IkucVI3Ww

Bangfo Cheito and I were checking it out-- Was really good-- I found a Really Super Cute GND type that I banged weeks ago and renewed our sexual relationship.

Yeah she was a cutie patootie that one!

[Bango Cheito]

So was hoping for some input from regulars down in SF like woodman, etc. About what (if any) is the appropriate amount to pay for a table dance by a girl. I saw and have encountered all sorts of varying things and so I don't want to be disrespectful to the girl but at the same time I don't want to be fleeced and overpay for something.

What I would typically see is that a table of 2 or 3+ guys would typically have a bucket of beers or shots at their table and the girl would dance for a shot or beer and as far as I could see no money was exchanged. As I'm typically solo in the clubs and I like to bar hop I do not usually do buckets or bottles of liquor so there goes my ability to pay by a drink. First time I had a dance on my last trip there about a year ago, the mesero followed me and the girl and basically I had to buy a drink for the girl. This time I encountered all sorts of things. Usually I would just pick a girl I wanted to bang and would usually just ask for a dance then negotiate for banging in the room right after so money never was exchanged but this trip I enjoyed the dances more as just entertainment. These examples were all for girls that I didn't actually bang after the dance.

Troya girl 1-mesero followed me and I had to buy her a drink. She of course got the most expensive one of a Smirnoff ice and my poker so it came to 40 k.

Troya girl 2 - asked girl for a dance. No mesero around. Girl said yes but then looked at me blankly so I felt obliged to ask how much and she said 20 k so got a dance for 20 k.

Antones girl 1 - danced on the couches on the 2nd floor and seemed amazed that I even gave her 20 k at the end.

Antones girl 2 - I had just finished banging a girl so wasn't ready to go straight back to the room but at the end of the dance she asked if I wanted to go upstairs I explained no but thanked her for the dance. She got dressed and walked away without even asking for money. I felt like I needed to pay her something as she let me suck on her tits and play with her clit while she fingered herself.

Fiebre girl 1 - dance upstairs. Finished and then put her hand out once she was dressed. Gave her 20 k then she started waving her hand and saying no no no cuarenta. I said no and gave her 20 k again and she flipped my hand away and said 50 k and so I relented.

Fiebre girl 2 - dance and then at the end she asked if I could buy her a water. So yeah of course.

Of course for everyone else at tables with groups of guys all sharing buckets it was just a shot here, there, etc but for a solo traveller what's the general rule for dances? What should you expect to pay? Etc.

No rules; it's 110% situational.

[SlowBlow]

Alright so after a week in Villavicencio I would say it's not special or even worth it unless you count the spectacular views from the bus drive.

There is basically no one on Tinder or my app is broke. Getting barely any matches and next to no interest whereas in Cartagena I'd have 100+ with girls ready to come over after discussing price. Even the girls on the escort pages do not do domicilios, at least not all of the decent looking ones I contacted. There's a spa called Flor de Lota but I can't get them to send me the catalog.

Anyway, if you like street action or casas then I guess it the same here as anywhere, so nothing special. But if you're like me and want someone to come over for a negotiated price then it's not the place. My guess is that there's just no reason for anyone to be here and girls who live here would not want to get caught by their friends or families. There was one good looking young girl who lives about 30 min away by bus willing to come but I was with the girl I came for at the time. After that, nothing.

[Woodman09]

Was out with a client last night-- Pretty nice line ups of SGs.

Clubs were slow until after the game -- Troya and Fiebre got going really nice.

Especially Fiebre-- 25+ girls Many 7-8++ Of note a super cute Petite 22 yo named Daniela -- Looked 18.

And a another petite with Huge Naturals size Double 'E' cup at least-- Awesome-- I did not talk to her but I saw her doing a lapdance-- She looks fun.

Hey Hey Hey-- Santa Fe!

[Elvis 2008]

I will check LA Cupid. Maybe it's better than before.

Yeah I hate tattoos, big butts, piercings are god awful. And that's my next trip around Armenia and towns nearby. With or without tag a along girlfriend. Learn the area. We might rent a car and drive. Should be lots of fun.

Maybe I was not using it right, and I know there was some crossover with seeking, but the cupids always sent me to the average looking middle aged women. I probably should have given it a chance though. I think the photos on the cupid sites don't make the women look as good as on seeking. But it is water under the bridge.

And Don, if you get a chance, you should try to do a trip with two women versus one. Just make sure the women get along and you go with Airbnb's where you all are together versus a hotel room for them and one for you. Your gal is beautiful but there is the age difference and you can get bored with the gal and vice versa. When you have three people, you do not get sick of one another if it is the right three. The girls can talk about makeup, fashion, Tik Tok and all the shit so important to them we could care less about.

You have to have the right two women but the trips I took to Cancun with two and three women rank as the most fun things I have done in my life.

[DonCarlos1234]

LOL. I am from Atlanta. Latinamericancupid has always been my thing since I go all over Latin America. I have never been on Colombian Cupid.

I am in Paipa now with one of my nurse chicks from Bogota. One thing about chicks out in the villages is they do not have all those ugly ass tattoos like the city chicks. If you are ever looking for a real girlfriend then the small towns are the way to go.

I will check LA Cupid. Maybe it's better than before.

Yeah I hate tattoos, big butts, piercings are god awful. And that's my next trip around Armenia and towns nearby. With or without tag a along girlfriend. Learn the area. We might rent a car and drive. Should be lots of fun.

[Mr Enternational]

Colombia Cupid is bizarre. I might turn SA back on, it's been almost 3 years without it. Can we recommend your place for wayward chicks near SD?

LOL. I am from Atlanta. Latinamericancupid has always been my thing since I go all over Latin America. I have never been on Colombian Cupid.

I am in Paipa now with one of my nurse chicks from Bogota. One thing about chicks out in the villages is they do not have all those ugly ass tattoos like the city chicks. If you are ever looking for a real girlfriend then the small towns are the way to go.

[DonCarlos1234]

That did not bother me at all the way it bothered you seeing the chick still on Seeking. I do not have any commitments to anyone and I have not asked anybody to have any to me. I prefer to live and let live. One of my girls told me the other day that I am a free spirit. Yep. She got that right.

I never went to check her SA profile. She says she's there yet tired of the game. So yeah we can go on a trip and after that I will head off to the next adventure. And we'll still be FWB. Colombia Cupid is bizarre. I might turn SA back on, it's been almost 3 years without it. Can we recommend your place for wayward chicks near SD?

[Mr Enternational]

A girl I met 3 years ago is still on SA. That bothers me, LOL I guess where I've been is not the issue? But she will travel anywhere with me and she has relatives near where I want to go. Vale de Cauca. She is gorgeous and almost too easy to be around. Vanilla. No challenge but is that bad? What if after a week together I have feelings. Yeah she speaks English. Too good to be true. I'm afraid to say more. Time will tell.

Quer sera, sera. I have been on Cupid 19 years and some chicks that I have known from way back then are even still on there. They have exceeded the sell by date for me, but still there. I am not planning to marry anybody so I don't care if someone that I am messing with does whatever they do. I am always there until something better comes along for them. I am even there when that something they thought was better leaves.

I have been messing with a girl from Ecuador who is a chef for the last almost 2 years. At the beginning of December she left home on a trek becoming a migrant. I told her it was not a good idea but her mind was made up. She went to Panama, Guatemala, Mexico (where she had to pay the cartel $200), then made her way to San Antonio. Along the way she was in a hotel in Mexico and asked me for money for that. I told her no way. Her sister ended up sending her some money. Immigration kept her 3 days then gave her a work permit, money for a lawyer, and money for something else that I can not remember. People think they are coming destitute, but they come with their belongings. Customs takes ALL their stuff to burn it though. They even took the wallet that her passport was in.

From there she went to her sister in law's brother's house in San Diego. Her court date is not until April but they told her to call in every 60 days until then. She said most of the other people were fitted for ankle monitors. She was not doing shit in San Diego so I told her she could come to my house and stay until I left on January 15th.

I took her to Goodwill to shop and she got addicted to that place. The exact Merrill shoes that I was wearing at the time they had for ladies in her size for $5 looking brand new. I showed her online where mine cost $120. Some friends that she has in my city picked her up and took her to a lawyer. That clown wanted $6000. I told her to just get the paperwork of her friends that have been through the process and replace her friend's name with her name. That is all the hell they do anyway. If there is any litigation to be done is when you would need the lawyer. Then her friends took her and she got a job! I said that just goes to show how lazy some Americans are. 2 weeks across the border, speaks no English, and got a job already, while some folks complaining for years that they can not find one.

On the 9th she decided to go live with her cousins in Chicago. I took her to Burlington to get a big coat the night before she left. She kept trying to get the $100 Michael Kors but I told her every bit of her money counts so she better get that $50 Guess or whatever it was instead. Now on to your point of the goose and gander deal. While she was at my house she sent me a like on Cupid. She had changed her profile to my city. That did not bother me at all the way it bothered you seeing the chick still on Seeking. I do not have any commitments to anyone and I have not asked anybody to have any to me. I prefer to live and let live. One of my girls told me the other day that I am a free spirit. Yep. She got that right.

[DonCarlos1234]

You linked back to a post of mine from five years ago? LOL. Man, that was wild. I still cannot believe how many missed out on the pussy gold rush that came with Covid. The women I had available to me then (and you did) was unfuckingreal.
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Don, you cannot settle for meh. It is hard because you have been with so many women. Until you find the one who blows your socks off and you have genuine burning desire for her and vice versa, play the field.

I was thinking about places I wanted to visit with female companionship and voila! My girl says she just came back from there, her parents in Manizales, relatives in Pereira and Armenia. All places I wanted to visit, especially Valle del Cauca. Ahh and I still have SA girls numbers that are probably still good. From those cities. Hope she doesn't read this, she's turning 21 soon. Oh well. I also want to visit the coast of Brazil near Rio but not till Summer is over. The girls quality there and availability it still unfuckingreal. Yet few guys want to go there because of the distance and the language. So Colombia wins once again (for now) Congrats to you! - you are a trailblazer. And your suggestions are well headed. I may take her on a trip but we won't be spending all our lives together.

[MaddTraveler]

I like getting lapdances-- But with the right girls.

Prices.

In Venus / Atonis / Texas / California dances can be 20-30 mil+ I like girls that let me play Dr not all girls will do that and actually are not fun at all. You have to pick the fun girls.

I have seen guys get slapped-- I got slapped because this drunk mexican dickhead was slapping a girl's ass and she thought it was me--LOL-- that shit hurt too.

In Troya / Paisas / Fiebre-- they can be 30-100+ usually they want 50 mil-- I was with a guy last week in Fiebre and the girl said 120 mil-- I laughed in her face--LOL-- she did it for my friend for 50 mil.

Since you live there and prob been there longer than most of us, do you also get the feeling that paying for dance is something American gringos started there in Bogota? Because in clubs where there are little to no tourists in sight dances are free with optional propinas, incl other countries and cities in LA. I think I met that girl at fiebre that usually ask for a lot like 100-120, she's an exception bc she actually doesn't fuck and only dances, w a nice shape gym body.

Think about it, why would locals pay 50 k for dance when they can fuck for that? Which is also a day salary? Americans need to get that lap dance BS out of their system for real. Ruining things everywhere we go LOL. In Latin American you pay to fuck legally, not for dances.

[LatinaLover#1]

My old girlfriend in Bogota, from 6 or 7 years ago, who I still maintain contact with, sent me this.

**The USA Embassy in Bogota is warning Americans in Colombia to be cautious while using online dating sites in the country, after eight USA Citizens were found dead in Medelland over a two-month period under suspicious circumstances. The deaths occurred in November and December. 2023
Jan 16,2024*.

Remember you can't be too careful. Nothing ruins a trip like waking up in your apartment with no money, no Credit Cards and no passport!!

[Tiger Guy X2]

Could you guys break it down for someone who hasn't been there before. What's the standard 40 K dance like? I'm looking to compare it to my experience at clubs in the US. Now obviously I know there are obviously more options to be had. What I'm looking for is more like time and location. I'm used to the semi-private couch or private room for 15 minutes. But those are quite a bit more expensive in the states than 40 K LOL. How much time is the standardish 40 K.

These are NOT like most USA based strip clubs so that's not even a comparison. These are basically brothels where the girls also strip and give lap dances. Given everything is out in the open legally unlike in the USA they don't have to play the vip and dance games like places in the usa.

There are no private vip area for dances (at least not that I'm aware of). You're still in the regular club area with other patrons all around who can see everything. There could still be just regular patrons sitting in the "lap dance" area too since those are the seats they usually give to guys buying buckets / bottles especially on busy nights. So if the club is extremely busy it's possible those seats could be totally occupied in which case your only option is getting a dance at whatever seat you were already sitting at.

You can feel up the girls during the dances. Some girls will be ok with you fingering them, licking their tits / pussy, or grabbing your dick during the dance too, but that can vary from girl to girl. As for how much time I don't know. It's usually like 4-5 songs, but I've honestly never counted.

You should probably just assume 50 mil for dances since I found that to be the most quoted rate at various clubs in Santa Fe.

[Elvis 2008]

A girl I met 3 years ago is still on SA. That bothers me, LOL I guess where I've been is not the issue? But she will travel anywhere with me and she has relatives near where I want to go. Vale de Cauca. She is gorgeous and almost too easy to be around. Vanilla. No challenge but is that bad? What if after a week together I have feelings. Yeah she speaks English. Too good to be true. I'm afraid to say more. Time will tell.

You linked back to a post of mine from five years ago? LOL. Man, that was wild. I still cannot believe how many missed out on the pussy gold rush that came with Covid. The women I had available to me then (and you did) was unfuckingreal.

Thing about the teacher is it kind of fizzled out. Someone said that couples that stay together do so because they think their partner is awesome. The teacher was very nice, and she would have made a good long term partner. I am pretty sure though if I were with her, I would have always been looking for better. She was sweet but vanilla great but not awesome.

I have been listening to guys in the manosphere, and one of my favorites is Rich Cooper. He is constantly talking about genuine burning desire. His latest was on some beta sap who is paying for a woman who is out fucking a different guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySWo7F1Tys.

I had so many women Don who were willing to settle for me, and I thought about settling for them. After a while, I was like why? I am just going to play the field with women I like. I know now anyone of them would have committed to me if I wanted them to, but there was always a feeling I could do better.

The point is if you are at the meh point now you are settling. In the beginning with me, it was the sex, way she looked, and the fun we had. The hard part for me was believing someone so hot was into me and had true desire for me. Once I finally got that it was real, I focused on her character and really liked what I saw.

Thing is you cannot fake that desire. People see through fake desire from a mile away. If it is fake, people do not want to invest into the relationship. On the flip side, if it is real, you cannot keep people away. My gal's daughter's Quincera is coming up, and she has asked that many of my friends and relatives come. I thought they would be hesitant, but they are thrilled. Even my American single friends are lining up excited to see my gal's single friends. Maybe it is that or maybe they want to laugh at me trying to dance the waltz. Lord have mercy.

My gal and I still have tons of fun, still have great sex, and I miss her every day I am not with her. We are often with other people so often we do not get bored with one another.

Don, you cannot settle for meh. It is hard because you have been with so many women. Until you find the one who blows your socks off and you have genuine burning desire for her and vice versa, play the field.