Bogota Reports

[DrPistol]

How's Bogota for semi-pros / GFE / Seeking. I've only ever visited Medellin and Cartagena.

I prefer GFE / semi-pros. I had my best experiences using dating apps in those cities around 2017-18. I now no longer use the apps due to scoping risk, and I didn't have much fun in medellin last time, back in 2017 I had hundreds of chicas trying to meet me, now it seems like they're numb to tourists and chicas felt way harder to get, almost like miami where they have so many options (and now medellin is flooded with gringos, they do). And I was on edge because of all the scopings, I could no longer relax.

How is Bogota, both for dating app safety and not being one of a million gringos trying to get attention?

[Casa No Va]

True, but I think having a local number helps.

When I'm contacting girls on sites for independents, non agency. ID say at least half are still being answered by their boss at the casa they work at. Prices and extras usually listed in ad. But the true independent hot girls that answer their own publications definitely pay way more attention to the US numbers coming in. They'd rather hook a gringo at their going rate listed and add adicionales and repeat repeat and then convince you to come back and visit. Some girls even advertise they only see foreigners and not locals. So not sure where your logic is coming from. I speak Spanish, I'm from US and I just do my due diligence to know the going rates.

Just keep your profile pic generic, or a cartoon or something. And block them from your stories.

[JohnnieCash]

Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right?.

I wouldn't post hearsay without saying it is such. I do know the classes are real because she's been posting photos on WhatsApp and telling me what's happening there plus I've seen her posting in mom-group chat they have set up for it.

As for the one buying a house, I've been with her to the cambios (BTW I couldn't believe how cheap is to buy a house in Venezuela). She doesn't have the full amount yet and whether she won't blow it on something else or her family will get to it, the time will tell, it's difficult to for any young person to sit on pile of money and not touch it, but it's her way to keep this money mentally 'unspendable' here.

I also know casa girl who decided to quit at 22 and started selling street food and some homemade desserts to panaderia, she's been posting videos of her stand and food, and I've eaten the desserts, but I'm yet to visit her stand. She has still some regulars but only of her choice and seems to prefer company and taking care of animals for long term. Casa girls work can be tough though, they must fuck whether they like it or not, best they could do to try to avoid it is to be cold during presentation. The most damage there is to their own ideas of self-wroth. She couldn't take it any more. She's been in a good situation being able to live with her parents and not having to pay rent so could afford not to work for a while, but then they kicked her out after some time.

Another casa girls posts updates from veterinary school.

Another 19 yo plans to enroll to be a police women, but I doubt that will happen any time soon, since she pulls good money and likes to party, but certainly can't shut up about it.

Or a webcam girl which is paying for evening English classes out of her pocket, even though the money is tight, I don't session with her anymore but sometimes still meet her for language exchange and she's improving (no thanks to me).

Anyway, the point is, yes, they can think long term while being hookers, which doesn't mean they are relationship material or that their long term includes a plan to have an exclusive relationship with one man, they are often happy with just raising a child, especially if it's a boy, have plenty of friends and family for their social needs and just juggle many men supporting them.

Not to mention this is Latin America, exclusive relationships do not seem to be the big thing here and many men just impregnate and move on the basis of 'well, it was her decision to have a child, not my problem now', and even if they don't, there isn't that much money coming in anyway considering local salaries. Just the other day I met a Venezuelan mechanic in his 50's that was looking for chicas. He has 12 children with 3 different women. One of his sons, approaching 30's was sitting next to him, also looking for chicas, he has 4 children with 2 different women already.

[JohnnyWishBone]

That is only if you do not know what you should be paying. If someone tells you 500 K and you say ok then that is your own damn fault. If you say jajaja claro que no: 120 k, that is a different story. If you have a decent command of Spanish and know what the hell you are talking about, then you should not even have a problem if you are messaging from the moon.

True, but I think having a local number helps.

[JohnnyWishBone]

Sometimes no inflation at all. IF you speak Spanish and operate like a local.

An amanecida for 400 k still sounds expensive to me in 2024. You can still get it for 300 k or less easily.

My advice, if someone starts to negotiate with you in USD, just walk away.

Bango is right regarding USD negotiations. Give the girl one chance to negotiate in COP then walk away. Competition is high in Bogota and there are lots of girls to choose from. Many have said this before, but give the girls silent treatment if they do not agree to your fee. Many will come back and agree to your demands.

As for overnights, I tend to see the girls for an hour beforehand to sample and they know who I am. More often than not, they agree to negotiated fee and period. But the main message is, keep it to COP and never in an other currency.

[GreenBud]

Couple of months ago, a newbie poster wrote a very good write-up. Someone should have put that on a link to the Reports of Distinction.

He stated that he had no problems getting Uber from Santa Fe.

He must have gotten a Comfort Level or higher level ride.

I found that out on my last trip. If you pay for the higher level ride (double to triple the price), then they come fast. It is still extremely hard to get a ride on the lowest level Uber ride from Santa Fe. The Uber system is broken.

I usually just check the prices on Uber, and then I use InDrive.

Someone also reported a mugging late at night, after the main strip-joints closed, when he was walking to his Uber. Note that Uber cannot pick you up in the street that has the main entrances to the strip-joints. He should have just used the taxis that are parked in front of the strip-joints.

I only stayed past the closing time of the main strip-joints once. I felt leery; the street was getting empty. I took the taxi parked in front. Just pay the extra money. All other times, I feel safe when the street is full of people.

[SankarShetty]

I have so many great options now. But unfortunately my 'night near the airport' falls on the Sunday where everything closes by 5 pm.

Nevertheless, will have to do a good eating tour of this area on my next trip to the city.

Casadelrey on KR 7 and Calle 22, a great restaurant, Huge--in an early 20th century building-- attached is a coffee bar, good burger joint, taco house, sushi joint, and a sausage place. They have their own bakery. ].

[SankarShetty]

I do think there are options that are good for dinner. A good number of them are open until 9 or 10 pm everyday but closed on sundays by 4 or 5 pm which is a bummer.

Thanks for all the suggestions though.

Like DaVinci was saying behind the museum / wok restaurant there are some real good restaurants on 29/30. The best was:

Restaurante why chocolateria Yoconta.

CL. 30 #5 - 82 Local 1, Bogot, Colombia.

They're only open until late afternoon but the food was so good / popular they had to open a 2nd restaurant next door called yocanta 2.

I did find one spot on the street over open for dinner that was excellent name is Turmequ Bar why Cocina Bogot on Calle 29. There's an Italian spot just up the hill from there that looked great I just didn't have time to try it, but it's on the list for my March trip. Name is Restaurante Aria.

[Bango Cheito]

I would respectfully ask you to delete this and re-post it there, where the proper discussion can ensue around it. This is the Bogotá forum.

Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right? I had been in the sugar game a long time, and in the forums everywhere, you will see guys say that turning a stripper / hooker into a long term sugar baby let alone a GF is a losing proposition. Getting them gifts, like this guy did, will not be appreciated unlike with real sugar babies or a GF.

The one successful hooker I knew personally who got out of the biz and ran her own business really was not independent. She had a sugar daddy on the side.

Thing is when I mentioned looking for long term, I was actually thinking this gal was a bad long term partner more because she was Venezuelan than a hooker. The hooker part for me was a given, but your post made me want to look more into the why hookers are bad long term partners.

There was a fascinating video on youtube of a guy who ran a brothel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM.

I found the guy to be honest, logical, and a straight shooter. He only hired woman new to the business and only kept them in the business for a year. In his book, he described successful hookers who were millionaires but were so addicted to money they could not leave the business even in their 50's.

Then there was this from a woman who really was a hooker. Granted, she had an agenda. https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-...x-it-is-simple.

Prostitution is not sex and it's not work. Its reality is far from complex in fact, it's simple. Trust me, I've done it. The truth is, there was no 'work' involved in what was done to us in prostitution. Prostitution is neither sex nor work.

During my last 10 years campaigning, I have sometimes been asked by women what prostitution 'feels like'. I hit on a way of explaining this some years ago, and have repeated it a few times since. I invite them, the next time they are in a caf or a bar, to take a look around at the male patrons. Old, young, fat, thin, tall, short, handsome, ugly, beautiful, repulsive and imagine that they are obliged to have sex with them. All of them. The women's faces turn to horror because they don't need to imagine; they know full well that they'the have no interest in sleeping with whoever happens to walk through the door. At the most basic level, having our personal space breached by a stranger causes a stress reaction. Sex does not just involve mutuality; it necessitates it. The sex of prostitution is devoid of mutuality, and cash is introduced to fill the breach.

The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good, you can still reverse the damage, however, you run the risk of irreversible psychological damage if you stayed in this business longer than one year. Making big money is addicting, you do not want to fall into the trap of getting used to making this type of money.

I had never thought of a hooker as damaged goods. That sounds a little judgmental to me, but I found it interesting that both of these two people mentioned it.

I wish I could I say that I went the sugar route because I was concerned for the damage being done to women. There were two main drivers for me. The first and morally worse reason was the sex was better. The other was the feeling of emptiness after paying the hooker and having her leave. Even the rare times when you had this passionate intimate experience, it was like the women put back up this wall and said this was all about the money. I did not feel that emptiness with a sugar baby. With sugar babies, the women were in no hurry to leave, and I did not want them to go.

People make fun of sugaring versus seeing a hooker. They say it is the same thing, sex for money, but I knew it was different. That mutuality the former hooker talks about is intact in a sugar relationship whereas it is not with hookers. I read in a different book that women who are mistresses of married men look for the same qualities in the married man that they do in a partner. So while there is sex for money, like sugaring, it is not all sex for money, and that prevents or more likely lessens the damage.

Anyway, Johnnie, thanks for the post. It made me think, and I wanted clarity on this subject.

[Prelude141]

I will be traveling to Bogota for the first time and have started contacting the independent escorts. Is it a red flag if a girl can't meet you at your hotel and requires you to meet at their casa?

It can be.

Just wait to be there and visit the casas and clubs, that should cover your needs.

Forget anything online to be honest unless you want to get in potential trouble. Even tinder is not advised for the newbies. People get drugged and kidnap easily. Newbie is written on your face and obvious in your messaging when you don't have any experience there.

[Woodman09]

That place on 7 and 22 is AWESOME!

Great ambiance and decor-- and great steaks for great prices-- lotsa variety too.

They worked on it for 2+ years a colonial style business building that was falling down with pidgeons roosting in it-.

[Bango Cheito]

Is it just the US tourists or inflation plays a role also? Things has become more expensive all over the world in the last 3-4 years.

Sometimes no inflation at all. IF you speak Spanish and operate like a local.

An amanecida for 400 k still sounds expensive to me in 2024. You can still get it for 300 k or less easily.

My advice, if someone starts to negotiate with you in USD, just walk away.

[Elvis 2008]

but I know some that do think long term, even the street hookers, eg they are regularly exchanging up money to usd and saving that up to buy a house in Venezuela, or another that has a child and invests in his education, taking him up to various extra classes etc. Some, as they approach their 30's and see reduced income enroll in classes then, to try be veterinarians, nurses etc.

Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right? I had been in the sugar game a long time, and in the forums everywhere, you will see guys say that turning a stripper / hooker into a long term sugar baby let alone a GF is a losing proposition. Getting them gifts, like this guy did, will not be appreciated unlike with real sugar babies or a GF.

The one successful hooker I knew personally who got out of the biz and ran her own business really was not independent. She had a sugar daddy on the side.

Thing is when I mentioned looking for long term, I was actually thinking this gal was a bad long term partner more because she was Venezuelan than a hooker. The hooker part for me was a given, but your post made me want to look more into the why hookers are bad long term partners.

There was a fascinating video on youtube of a guy who ran a brothel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM.

I found the guy to be honest, logical, and a straight shooter. He only hired woman new to the business and only kept them in the business for a year. In his book, he described successful hookers who were millionaires but were so addicted to money they could not leave the business even in their 50's.

Then there was this from a woman who really was a hooker. Granted, she had an agenda. https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-...x-it-is-simple.

Prostitution is not sex and it's not work. Its reality is far from complex in fact, it's simple. Trust me, I've done it. The truth is, there was no 'work' involved in what was done to us in prostitution. Prostitution is neither sex nor work.

During my last 10 years campaigning, I have sometimes been asked by women what prostitution 'feels like'. I hit on a way of explaining this some years ago, and have repeated it a few times since. I invite them, the next time they are in a caf or a bar, to take a look around at the male patrons. Old, young, fat, thin, tall, short, handsome, ugly, beautiful, repulsive and imagine that they are obliged to have sex with them. All of them. The women's faces turn to horror because they don't need to imagine; they know full well that they'the have no interest in sleeping with whoever happens to walk through the door. At the most basic level, having our personal space breached by a stranger causes a stress reaction. Sex does not just involve mutuality; it necessitates it. The sex of prostitution is devoid of mutuality, and cash is introduced to fill the breach.

The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good, you can still reverse the damage, however, you run the risk of irreversible psychological damage if you stayed in this business longer than one year. Making big money is addicting, you do not want to fall into the trap of getting used to making this type of money.

I had never thought of a hooker as damaged goods. That sounds a little judgmental to me, but I found it interesting that both of these two people mentioned it.

I wish I could I say that I went the sugar route because I was concerned for the damage being done to women. There were two main drivers for me. The first and morally worse reason was the sex was better. The other was the feeling of emptiness after paying the hooker and having her leave. Even the rare times when you had this passionate intimate experience, it was like the women put back up this wall and said this was all about the money. I did not feel that emptiness with a sugar baby. With sugar babies, the women were in no hurry to leave, and I did not want them to go.

People make fun of sugaring versus seeing a hooker. They say it is the same thing, sex for money, but I knew it was different. That mutuality the former hooker talks about is intact in a sugar relationship whereas it is not with hookers. I read in a different book that women who are mistresses of married men look for the same qualities in the married man that they do in a partner. So while there is sex for money, like sugaring, it is not all sex for money, and that prevents or more likely lessens the damage.

Anyway, Johnnie, thanks for the post. It made me think, and I wanted clarity on this subject.

[Euphori]

There are a ton of places right next to the Ibis too actually, and a Wok just up the road right behind the museum.

Like DaVinci was saying behind the museum / wok restaurant there are some real good restaurants on 29/30. The best was:

Restaurante why chocolateria Yoconta.

CL. 30 #5 - 82 Local 1, Bogot, Colombia.

They're only open until late afternoon but the food was so good / popular they had to open a 2nd restaurant next door called yocanta 2.

I did find one spot on the street over open for dinner that was excellent name is Turmequ Bar why Cocina Bogot on Calle 29. There's an Italian spot just up the hill from there that looked great I just didn't have time to try it, but it's on the list for my March trip. Name is Restaurante Aria.

[TorpeRate]

I will be traveling to Bogota for the first time and have started contacting the independent escorts. Is it a red flag if a girl can't meet you at your hotel and requires you to meet at their casa?