Bogota Reports

[Bango Cheito]

I would respectfully ask you to delete this and re-post it there, where the proper discussion can ensue around it. This is the Bogotá forum.

Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right? I had been in the sugar game a long time, and in the forums everywhere, you will see guys say that turning a stripper / hooker into a long term sugar baby let alone a GF is a losing proposition. Getting them gifts, like this guy did, will not be appreciated unlike with real sugar babies or a GF.

The one successful hooker I knew personally who got out of the biz and ran her own business really was not independent. She had a sugar daddy on the side.

Thing is when I mentioned looking for long term, I was actually thinking this gal was a bad long term partner more because she was Venezuelan than a hooker. The hooker part for me was a given, but your post made me want to look more into the why hookers are bad long term partners.

There was a fascinating video on youtube of a guy who ran a brothel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM.

I found the guy to be honest, logical, and a straight shooter. He only hired woman new to the business and only kept them in the business for a year. In his book, he described successful hookers who were millionaires but were so addicted to money they could not leave the business even in their 50's.

Then there was this from a woman who really was a hooker. Granted, she had an agenda. https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-...x-it-is-simple.

Prostitution is not sex and it's not work. Its reality is far from complex in fact, it's simple. Trust me, I've done it. The truth is, there was no 'work' involved in what was done to us in prostitution. Prostitution is neither sex nor work.

During my last 10 years campaigning, I have sometimes been asked by women what prostitution 'feels like'. I hit on a way of explaining this some years ago, and have repeated it a few times since. I invite them, the next time they are in a caf or a bar, to take a look around at the male patrons. Old, young, fat, thin, tall, short, handsome, ugly, beautiful, repulsive and imagine that they are obliged to have sex with them. All of them. The women's faces turn to horror because they don't need to imagine; they know full well that they'the have no interest in sleeping with whoever happens to walk through the door. At the most basic level, having our personal space breached by a stranger causes a stress reaction. Sex does not just involve mutuality; it necessitates it. The sex of prostitution is devoid of mutuality, and cash is introduced to fill the breach.

The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good, you can still reverse the damage, however, you run the risk of irreversible psychological damage if you stayed in this business longer than one year. Making big money is addicting, you do not want to fall into the trap of getting used to making this type of money.

I had never thought of a hooker as damaged goods. That sounds a little judgmental to me, but I found it interesting that both of these two people mentioned it.

I wish I could I say that I went the sugar route because I was concerned for the damage being done to women. There were two main drivers for me. The first and morally worse reason was the sex was better. The other was the feeling of emptiness after paying the hooker and having her leave. Even the rare times when you had this passionate intimate experience, it was like the women put back up this wall and said this was all about the money. I did not feel that emptiness with a sugar baby. With sugar babies, the women were in no hurry to leave, and I did not want them to go.

People make fun of sugaring versus seeing a hooker. They say it is the same thing, sex for money, but I knew it was different. That mutuality the former hooker talks about is intact in a sugar relationship whereas it is not with hookers. I read in a different book that women who are mistresses of married men look for the same qualities in the married man that they do in a partner. So while there is sex for money, like sugaring, it is not all sex for money, and that prevents or more likely lessens the damage.

Anyway, Johnnie, thanks for the post. It made me think, and I wanted clarity on this subject.

[Prelude141]

I will be traveling to Bogota for the first time and have started contacting the independent escorts. Is it a red flag if a girl can't meet you at your hotel and requires you to meet at their casa?

It can be.

Just wait to be there and visit the casas and clubs, that should cover your needs.

Forget anything online to be honest unless you want to get in potential trouble. Even tinder is not advised for the newbies. People get drugged and kidnap easily. Newbie is written on your face and obvious in your messaging when you don't have any experience there.

[Woodman09]

That place on 7 and 22 is AWESOME!

Great ambiance and decor-- and great steaks for great prices-- lotsa variety too.

They worked on it for 2+ years a colonial style business building that was falling down with pidgeons roosting in it-.

[Bango Cheito]

Is it just the US tourists or inflation plays a role also? Things has become more expensive all over the world in the last 3-4 years.

Sometimes no inflation at all. IF you speak Spanish and operate like a local.

An amanecida for 400 k still sounds expensive to me in 2024. You can still get it for 300 k or less easily.

My advice, if someone starts to negotiate with you in USD, just walk away.

[Elvis 2008]

but I know some that do think long term, even the street hookers, eg they are regularly exchanging up money to usd and saving that up to buy a house in Venezuela, or another that has a child and invests in his education, taking him up to various extra classes etc. Some, as they approach their 30's and see reduced income enroll in classes then, to try be veterinarians, nurses etc.

Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right? I had been in the sugar game a long time, and in the forums everywhere, you will see guys say that turning a stripper / hooker into a long term sugar baby let alone a GF is a losing proposition. Getting them gifts, like this guy did, will not be appreciated unlike with real sugar babies or a GF.

The one successful hooker I knew personally who got out of the biz and ran her own business really was not independent. She had a sugar daddy on the side.

Thing is when I mentioned looking for long term, I was actually thinking this gal was a bad long term partner more because she was Venezuelan than a hooker. The hooker part for me was a given, but your post made me want to look more into the why hookers are bad long term partners.

There was a fascinating video on youtube of a guy who ran a brothel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM.

I found the guy to be honest, logical, and a straight shooter. He only hired woman new to the business and only kept them in the business for a year. In his book, he described successful hookers who were millionaires but were so addicted to money they could not leave the business even in their 50's.

Then there was this from a woman who really was a hooker. Granted, she had an agenda. https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-...x-it-is-simple.

Prostitution is not sex and it's not work. Its reality is far from complex in fact, it's simple. Trust me, I've done it. The truth is, there was no 'work' involved in what was done to us in prostitution. Prostitution is neither sex nor work.

During my last 10 years campaigning, I have sometimes been asked by women what prostitution 'feels like'. I hit on a way of explaining this some years ago, and have repeated it a few times since. I invite them, the next time they are in a caf or a bar, to take a look around at the male patrons. Old, young, fat, thin, tall, short, handsome, ugly, beautiful, repulsive and imagine that they are obliged to have sex with them. All of them. The women's faces turn to horror because they don't need to imagine; they know full well that they'the have no interest in sleeping with whoever happens to walk through the door. At the most basic level, having our personal space breached by a stranger causes a stress reaction. Sex does not just involve mutuality; it necessitates it. The sex of prostitution is devoid of mutuality, and cash is introduced to fill the breach.

The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good, you can still reverse the damage, however, you run the risk of irreversible psychological damage if you stayed in this business longer than one year. Making big money is addicting, you do not want to fall into the trap of getting used to making this type of money.

I had never thought of a hooker as damaged goods. That sounds a little judgmental to me, but I found it interesting that both of these two people mentioned it.

I wish I could I say that I went the sugar route because I was concerned for the damage being done to women. There were two main drivers for me. The first and morally worse reason was the sex was better. The other was the feeling of emptiness after paying the hooker and having her leave. Even the rare times when you had this passionate intimate experience, it was like the women put back up this wall and said this was all about the money. I did not feel that emptiness with a sugar baby. With sugar babies, the women were in no hurry to leave, and I did not want them to go.

People make fun of sugaring versus seeing a hooker. They say it is the same thing, sex for money, but I knew it was different. That mutuality the former hooker talks about is intact in a sugar relationship whereas it is not with hookers. I read in a different book that women who are mistresses of married men look for the same qualities in the married man that they do in a partner. So while there is sex for money, like sugaring, it is not all sex for money, and that prevents or more likely lessens the damage.

Anyway, Johnnie, thanks for the post. It made me think, and I wanted clarity on this subject.

[Euphori]

There are a ton of places right next to the Ibis too actually, and a Wok just up the road right behind the museum.

Like DaVinci was saying behind the museum / wok restaurant there are some real good restaurants on 29/30. The best was:

Restaurante why chocolateria Yoconta.

CL. 30 #5 - 82 Local 1, Bogot, Colombia.

They're only open until late afternoon but the food was so good / popular they had to open a 2nd restaurant next door called yocanta 2.

I did find one spot on the street over open for dinner that was excellent name is Turmequ Bar why Cocina Bogot on Calle 29. There's an Italian spot just up the hill from there that looked great I just didn't have time to try it, but it's on the list for my March trip. Name is Restaurante Aria.

[TorpeRate]

I will be traveling to Bogota for the first time and have started contacting the independent escorts. Is it a red flag if a girl can't meet you at your hotel and requires you to meet at their casa?

[Luminous]

Is it just the US tourists or inflation plays a role also? Things has become more expensive all over the world in the last 3-4 years.

Back in 2019, girls were doing overnights for 400.000 COP and now they are demanding 200 USD min, but price in USD.

[Gabacho]

Another sucker has been scoped and robbed, this time in Bogota.

https://youtu.be/v4t1qkd3Pjs?si=cCf7LB8R7b4B-24W

Follow Along.

[Gabacho]

That place on 7 and 22 is AWESOME!

I personally like LaCelestina. A great variety of pretty girls! Website: lacelestina. Co.

Plenty of great places downtown-.

Casadelrey on KR 7 and Calle 22, a great restaurant, Huge--in an early 20th century building-- attached is a coffee bar, good burger joint, taco house, sushi joint, and a sausage place. They have their own bakery.

There are 3 bakerys down the street on 22-- On kr 7 several parrillas and Florida bakery -restaurant which is a good white linen type restaurant -- And much more south and there is a new Mexican place I saw on kr5 near Bacata.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaura...ey-Bogota.html

All this restaurant talk has me craving a Bogota Santa Fe trip. I live KR 7 I used to go over there all the time, I'd also recommend SBA broasters for some very good fried chicken, it's right there on KR 7 near CL 22.

Theres also some very good Chinese food places on CL 22 as well. KR 7 is the main tourist / pedestrian strip and has various restaurants and bars. Another must try place for. Fried chicken fanatics is Alitas Colombians about a 10 minute walk to the North.

There's is also a McDonald's nearby and a Centro Comercial with various restaurants inside I believe an argentinian steakhouse as well as an Italian place too.

[Bango Cheito]

You're correct for dinner. Not a lot but not sure of your taste and budget. There's a pizza / pasta place (Archie's) below the hotel which is honestly kinda mediocre. Right across from Ibis are 2-3 restaurants on Transverse 6. Okay'ish Asian at la lonchera. Nice enough for a quick meal. Not really for a date. Restaurant republik looks good for a date type thing though I've never been inside just looks nice from the outside. If you're okay with pub food there's a BBC just up the road from them both with some great craft beers. There's a really cute street Calle 30 going up to the La Perseverencia market (which itself is fantastic but only open for breakfast / lunch). That little stretch of Calle 30 is really an up and coming, trendy, restaurant row type area but I believe they're only for the lunch hours. You'the have to check. If they do dinner then that little stretch has about 8-10 restaurants and would be perfect.

There are a ton of places right next to the Ibis too actually, and a Wok just up the road right behind the museum.

[Bango Cheito]

Plenty of great places downtown-.

Casadelrey on KR 7 and Calle 22, a great restaurant, Huge--in an early 20th century building-- attached is a coffee bar, good burger joint, taco house, sushi joint, and a sausage place. They have their own bakery.

There are 3 bakerys down the street on 22-- On kr 7 several parrillas and Florida bakery -restaurant which is a good white linen type restaurant -- And much more south and there is a new Mexican place I saw on kr5 near Bacata.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaura...ey-Bogota.html

That place on 7 and 22 is AWESOME!

[Chelovec]

Hi friends,

Until now I have traveled mainly to Eastern Europe for pussy. As things got complicated there I have scheduled my first trip to Bogota at the end of January. Having no regional experience and no language and being slightly cowardly, I would like to use delivery service ie using an agency (at least for the beginning). Is there an agency one of you can recommend or on to avoid at any costs? Thank you all in advance. GE.

I personally like LaCelestina. A great variety of pretty girls! Website: lacelestina. Co.

[Woodman09]

Plenty of great places downtown-.

Casadelrey on KR 7 and Calle 22, a great restaurant, Huge--in an early 20th century building-- attached is a coffee bar, good burger joint, taco house, sushi joint, and a sausage place. They have their own bakery.

There are 3 bakerys down the street on 22-- On kr 7 several parrillas and Florida bakery -restaurant which is a good white linen type restaurant -- And much more south and there is a new Mexican place I saw on kr5 near Bacata.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaura...ey-Bogota.html

[JohnnieCash]

She does not have the luxury of thinking about a career.

You do not invest in people who do not believe in long term. If you want to invest in a woman, which he is thinking about doing, find somebody who believes long term is possible. In Colombia, that would be someone in college or who has gone to college and is working.

Hooking can be a relatively well paid (compared to local salaries) career for 10 years or so. Yes a lot of hookers just blow the money as soon as they get it but I know some that do think long term, even the street hookers, eg they are regularly exchanging up money to usd and saving that up to buy a house in Venezuela, or another that has a child and invests in his education, taking him up to various extra classes etc. Some, as they approach their 30's and see reduced income enroll in classes then, to try be veterinarians, nurses etc.