Bogota Reports

[Forever18]

Just came back, pretty much same police state over there. Police roust the girls every so often and move them down the road. So you have to find a hottie and bang her before the cops roust.

There were a about 20-30 girls scattered in the various corners.

I banged 2 girls both girls that were kinda girl friendish knew my deal what I wanted. Both were young 20's SuperCuties. 1 white Colombian and a light skinned Venezuelan.

Pulled there hair while gagging them BBBJ. Banged them hard made them feel good, both having fun. Paid like $8-$10.

I will have one over to my place soon for 2 hour session. My target price to pay is about $35. Or $150,000 pesos or maybe less like $25.

When you say a 2-hour session, are you referring to the street girl? I check online websites and most of them usually USD $70 per hour.

[Elvis 2008]

News today of Avianca filing for bankruptcy.

Not a total surprise. KPMG has "substantial doubts" about the carrier's ability to exist a year from now.

My routes always had a couple of Avianca flights, it was convenient and economic. Not sure what the alternative is? Hopefully Qantas and Latam and the others can find one.

Kanga.

Bankruptcy is just a means to erase debt. American Airlines declared bankruptcy and had $4 billion in cash. The planes are there. The debtors will take them over and sell them to a different airline or Avianca will come back restructured and leaner and meaner. Every major USA Legacy carrier has declared bankruptcy. The small budget ones like Jetblue, Spirit, and Southwest (not much of a budget airline anymore) have not gone broke. From a passenger's point of view, unless you had tickets with Avianca or other perks, it is pretty much a non-event.

[YyzTravel]

News today of Avianca filing for bankruptcy.

Not a total surprise. KPMG has "substantial doubts" about the carrier's ability to exist a year from now.

My routes always had a couple of Avianca flights, it was convenient and economic. Not sure what the alternative is? Hopefully Qantas and Latam and the others can find one.

Kanga.

Going to be very interesting to see which ones stay alive, which ones start to code share with bigger carriers and which ones just belly up and take people's money and dissolve as RyanAir did. The good news though is that while it will be expensive for a while, competitors will come back, the nature of the free market economy.

[KangarooTed]

News today of Avianca filing for bankruptcy.

Not a total surprise. KPMG has "substantial doubts" about the carrier's ability to exist a year from now.

My routes always had a couple of Avianca flights, it was convenient and economic. Not sure what the alternative is? Hopefully Qantas and Latam and the others can find one.

Kanga.

[Woodman09]

Just came back, pretty much same police state over there. Police roust the girls every so often and move them down the road. So you have to find a hottie and bang her before the cops roust.

There were a about 20-30 girls scattered in the various corners.

I banged 2 girls both girls that were kinda girl friendish knew my deal what I wanted. Both were young 20's SuperCuties. 1 white Colombian and a light skinned Venezuelan.

Pulled there hair while gagging them BBBJ. Banged them hard made them feel good, both having fun. Paid like $8-$10.

I will have one over to my place soon for 2 hour session. My target price to pay is about $35. Or $150,000 pesos or maybe less like $25.

[Elvis 2008]

Finally, deaths prior to the pandemic are being reviewed, and if there is some evidence that they may have had COVID-19, they are being added to the death tolls. So, if they died from the flu, they may be counted as a COVID-19 death since symptoms are so similar.

I have no special medical knowledge, or anything, but I suspect this virus will ultimately have a death rate less than 0.4%. Ultimately, I believe 80% of us will be exposed, and some won't even know it. Our reaction to shutting down a very large segment of the economy will also have a cost, both economic and psychological. I fear we are obsessed with saving lives (in the short term) and not realizing the true cost of extended shutdowns.

You are onto something JR. See the link, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3000638001/.

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for if they're Medicare typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000. ".

See this link: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/ho...9-death-count/.

In an interview with FactCheck. Org, however, Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons.

So the same hospitals that charge $500 for an Aspirin and a $1000 for a stuffed Teddy bear would never, ever intentionally pressure doctors to say Covid for $39,000? LOL.

This factcheck. Org really does not seem to be getting any facts right IMO.

I don't know if the counts on Covid are high or low, but they sure as hell are far from 100% accurate, and that is a huge problem when it comes to making decisions about what to do in the future.

[JjBee62]

A very interesting take, and spot on in my opinion.

If someone has a fatal stroke while driving, resulting in a serious accident, unless an autopsy is performed, cause of death: vehicle accident. Prior to classification and basic understanding of the novel coronavirus, deaths from pneumonia were ruled death from pneumonia. However, there was a spike in pneumonia deaths prior to the first known coronavirus deaths in the US. Several states are now reviewing deaths in January and February, because we now know the disease was spreading here before first suspected. Indiana has estimated this will add around 100 deaths. Other more populated states could see significantly more deaths.

Until recently it wasn't known that the virus causes other forms of death, including pulmonary embolism, stroke, heart failure among others. That also will likely add to the number.

Many states, my own included are not counting cases inside jails and prisons and are not counting nursing home deaths. In my county the actual deaths are 18% higher than what the state has recorded because 2 patients died before they could be transferred from the nursing home to the hospital.

The "they were near death anyway" or "they had an underlying condition" argument is brainless. If a person is lying in the street, having fallen Fri a 6th floor balcony, literally seconds away from death, and I shoot them in the head, do I go free? Or is it classified as murder? If a person with a few weeks left to live, dying from incurable, inoperable cancer, slips and falls and breaks their neck, is it ruled a cancer death?

Don't worry. They're going to force things to open back up in just a few weeks, only days in some places. And around the first of June we'll know whether or not that was the right thing to do.

[Kib123]

But you asked about the accuracy of the count, and there is some monkey business going on in that regard. A death is being counted as a COVID death if the person died after being exposed to the virus. Even if the person died in a car accident. So, the virus death count is people who died with the virus, not necessarily because of the virus.

Stage 4 cancer patients often finally succumb to pneumonia, but their death is generally attributed to the cancer, and the pneumonia may be mentioned as a contributing factor. If that same patient gets this virus, the death is listed as a COVID death. This is one reason why the rates of death for other causes is down since this pandemic started.

A very interesting take, and spot on in my opinion.

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis. Your "logic" is the same as "herd immunity" or the Swedish model.

I have tried to explain the Swedish model to them. Some get it and some don't. Sweden's approach was to implement suggested social distancing but to keep the economy going. Earlier this week Sweden had 2000 deaths in a population of about 10 MM. Sweden's population density is 60 people per square mile. BTW, Sweden has not reached herd density yet.

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, we have a population 33 times larger and our population density is almost 50% higher at 87 people per square mile. So the math is (2000 * 33) + 50% = 99,000. And the USA would still not have reached herd immunity.

In other words, if the US did what Sweden did, our death toll would be double what it is today. Is that acceptable? If you say yes, would you also say yes if everybody that you knew was included in that 100,000 figure?

PVM, your numbers are based on opinions not concrete facts. The number of deaths is an opinion not a fact. The testing for Covid is 70% sensitive. WHO said 3. 5% mortality. Fauci said 1%. California says 0. 1 to 0. 3%. I do not care now. I wanted to talk about women and sex.

From my POV, the new data is going to be used to justify opening things up. You can disagree but it is not up to you or me. What I see happening is the USA Opens up and other countries follow our lead. I just wanted to know from Woodman how things are in Bogota because I think things are going to open up pretty quick. Thanks Woodman for the on the ground report. Stay safe!

[WhoShotJR]

I wonder when they put out these numbers of deaths if they are counting the old flu in with this new one. If so then it is not as bad as the numbers tell us.

This is an interesting question. Recent antibody studies in California and New York suggest 30-80 times as many people reported as having had COVID-19 have already been exposed to the virus (10-25% of the population). This, alone, lowers the mortality rate from 2-4% to less than 1%, perhaps less than 0. 5%. The flu has a mortality rate of 0. 1% if not a bit lower.

But you asked about the accuracy of the count, and there is some monkey business going on in that regard. A death is being counted as a COVID death if the person died after being exposed to the virus. Even if the person died in a car accident. So, the virus death count is people who died with the virus, not necessarily because of the virus.

Stage 4 cancer patients often finally succumb to pneumonia, but their death is generally attributed to the cancer, and the pneumonia may be mentioned as a contributing factor. If that same patient gets this virus, the death is listed as a COVID death. This is one reason why the rates of death for other causes is down since this pandemic started.

Finally, deaths prior to the pandemic are being reviewed, and if there is some evidence that they may have had COVID-19, they are being added to the death tolls. So, if they died from the flu, they may be counted as a COVID-19 death since symptoms are so similar.

I have no special medical knowledge, or anything, but I suspect this virus will ultimately have a death rate less than 0.4%. Ultimately, I believe 80% of us will be exposed, and some won't even know it. Our reaction to shutting down a very large segment of the economy will also have a cost, both economic and psychological. I fear we are obsessed with saving lives (in the short term) and not realizing the true cost of extended shutdowns.

[John Gault]

This virus is obviously much more than a flu. We've take unprescidented measures to limit this and it's still killed more than the flu. It's bad.

Still, I prefer the Sweden model. Yes I think go keep our normal way of life and normal economy it would be worth it. 88% of the people hospitalized in NY from this had 2 preexisting conditions. These are people who were already unhealthy.

Your resistance level I think is the key to this whole flu business. For the last few years many people have died from the regular flu. I have been around many people who caught the flu but I did not. Now this new virus is way more easy to pass from person to person. That said if a person is careful on his lifestyle then he has a way better chance to avoid being sick. I'm not just talking about masks. I'm referring to eating right, getting exercise, and getting enough sleep.

I wonder when they put out these numbers of deaths if they are counting the old flu in with this new one. If so then it is not as bad as the numbers tell us.

[Woodman09]

The situation is so odd here, poor Venezuelans are cooking with fires on the sidewalk. Santa Fe area is road blocked to traffic with dozens of cops just hanging out. You can walk into Santa Fe and there are girls during day and the cops don't say a thing to me, girls day / boys day does not seem to be enforced. I ran into one of my favorite barely legal girls banged her twice. About an hour after dark the cops close everything.

[HumanBeing1]

Elvis. Your "logic" is the same as "herd immunity" or the Swedish model.

I have tried to explain the Swedish model to them. Some get it and some don't. Sweden's approach was to implement suggested social distancing but to keep the economy going. Earlier this week Sweden had 2000 deaths in a population of about 10 MM. Sweden's population density is 60 people per square mile. BTW, Sweden has not reached herd density yet.

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, we have a population 33 times larger and our population density is almost 50% higher at 87 people per square mile. So the math is (2000 * 33) + 50% = 99,000. And the USA would still not have reached herd immunity.

In other words, if the US did what Sweden did, our death toll would be double what it is today. Is that acceptable? If you say yes, would you also say yes if everybody that you knew was included in that 100,000 figure?

This virus is obviously much more than a flu. We've take unprescidented measures to limit this and it's still killed more than the flu. It's bad.

Still, I prefer the Sweden model. Yes I think go keep our normal way of life and normal economy it would be worth it. 88% of the people hospitalized in NY from this had 2 preexisting conditions. These are people who were already unhealthy.

[KangarooTed]

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, ?

Or, even better if we don't.

Why not post this info in the USA thread where it may be of interest to those of you from the USA.

What's happening or hypothetically may happen in the US.

Really.

Kanga.

[KangarooTed]

People always complaining about limited food options or plain boring food in Bogota. I never found that to be the case.

Just saw this article in the newspaper. I have eaten at some of these bakeries but didn't know about the Pacific Seafood restuarant, or the cheese specialties:

"Parkway could also be dubbed "Bakery Row" given the many family-run establishments that cater to the sweet tooth of Bogotanos. Today, there is no shortage of pizzerias to choose from. Pastelera Rommanoti on the corner of Cra 28 with Calle 37 is where you'll find bread pilgrims hunched over hot chocolate and sugar-glazed rolls. The more austere Pastelera Toledo (Calle 45 with Cra 24) refers to itself as a "wedding bakery" with stands decked with jarring colorful cakes.

The Parkway / Palermo corridor caters to students from Universidad Nacional. And many others, especially those food-dedicated, endure with a no-frills take on gastronomy, such as the Pacific seafood restaurant Pescadera the'Apolonia (Cra 24 No. 49 A-0). Here, you can enjoy a heaping platter of fried fish with coconut rice and bowl of fish stew sancocho on the side. Across Carrera 24 from the street front of this restaurant is another popular restaurant Al Gratin, which specializes in cheese dishes, including lasagna, and offers a daily special for $15,000 pesos."

I pass this location when I walk from Santa Fe to Chapinero and it's close to the Body Care gym I go to on Calle 45.

The fish stew looks like a winner!

Kanga.