Bogota Reports

[Wubayou]

The Santa Fe area is located in downtown Bogota. You can just tell your cab driver to take you to "Barrio Santa Fe" or to La Piscina. La Piscina is the best of the area, plenty of hot girls for 60,000 COP full service. El Castillo is next door and is huge, but rarely has many girls. A couple streets back you'll find Las Paisas, which has some good lookers but not an abundance. Girls can be had for about 30,000 COP for full service. La Casona is next door, and prices run the same. One I liked, but it was kind of a dive, was Venus Show Bar, on the same street. On the weekends, they pick a guy out of the audience, and a girl will give him oral sex on stage and possibly full sex, as a sort of a show. Its raunchy but interesting to say the least. You can take a girl upstairs for 30,000 COP, full service. Not high quality girls, but there are some cute ones. Keep in mind, in Santa Fe, the girls tend to walk from place to place looking for business, so you'll see familiar faces. There are also many streetwalkers hanging out of open doors in the area. Now, this is regarded as one of the most dangerous areas of Bogota. You should know spanish if you want to walk around there. I made friends with many of the security guards and bartenders because I tipped them a bit. I'm 25, well built, half Colombian, but I look like a gringo/Marine. I did stand out, and I also did not dress down. In the last two months in my two trips to Bogota, I was in Santa Fe at least 20 nights without a problem. Take that as luck though, not the norm. Just keep your head up if you decide to go there. If you are the type to get nervous when alone in foreign areas, avoid this section, as you will be surrounded by many groups of guys with their buddies that are heavily intoxicated and could cause trouble.

[Cachorro]

Does anyone know the Santa Fe area of Bogota?

Can someone help me out please?

The Santa Fe zone in Bogota contains a kind of seedy red light district.

An easy jumping off point is the Transmilenio station, cra 14 and cll 22. At this Transmilenio stop, as you get off you should see La Piscina and El Castillo one on either side of you. They are quite big establishments and at night are lit up in neon.

There are lots of places in the neighbourhood. Strip clubs, short time motels, streetwalkers, small apartment setups with girls standing out the front. Certain parts of the area are TV but mostly it's regular girls.

[Peter Solano]

Huh? Bogotá was originally called Santa Fe de Bogotá, Colonial Spanish style. As a reaction to that the "Santa Fe de" part got dropped, but I think it may have recently had a revival.

Be that as it may you may rest assured that Santa Fe de Bogotá is the same city we know and love as Bogotá.

(Hmmm... Or is it Bogotá D.F. now? If in doubt, change the name? That'll confuse the guerrillas! :) )

They made some changes a couple of years back, when they reformed the constitution and NOW it is called Santa Fe de Bogota. Distrito Capital. (dc)

DF is in mexico city ( Distrito Federal). Anyway most people just say BOGOTA, and we all know where it is :) Peter.

[AddictedToWomen]

Does anyone know the Santa Fe area of Bogota?

Can someone help me out please?

Huh? Bogotá was originally called Santa Fe de Bogotá, Colonial Spanish style. As a reaction to that the "Santa Fe de" part got dropped, but I think it may have recently had a revival.

Be that as it may you may rest assured that Santa Fe de Bogotá is the same city we know and love as Bogotá.

(Hmmm... Or is it Bogotá D.F. now? If in doubt, change the name? That'll confuse the guerrillas! :) )

[Shanidar]

I am glad it ends well for you. PW. I am sure an ad in the paper will help you more as any mariage agency in the world. Make your own selections and be very critical.
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Ok, first, changed my handle.

2nd, in my defense, I got out of the Middle East and was cooling my heels in the States. A friend came by, who was on the way to Colombia. I figured, hey, why not get another visa stamp and drink some beer, and good off. Plus, I had limited days in the US, if I wanted to preserve my tax free status. I had a bundle in the bank, (from working the desert) and said WTF?

The owner of the agency tried to browbeat me into introductions, but no go. His secretary took over with a little more success.

You are correct, I was not allowed any solo time, for the remainder of my stay, she was clearly defending her ticket out. When I returned for the long stay, she immediately moved in with me, not my idea. Whatever.

I had her packed up to leave one day, but damn the luck, didn't get her into the cab.
As far as taking someone to the US and it doesn't work out, a private citizen can't force anyone to get on a plane. In Texas, if someone's stuff is in your house, that is their residence, and you need to file an eviction to get them out.

It is not as easy as "Just send her home". You have to be dealing with an adult, and someone who has respect for the laws of the US. My whole problem was her lack of respect for anyone but herself. Aha, herein lies the problem.

Don't worry, I will be critical as hell, picho and send them home.

More reports as I find them. Next stop will be some titty bars in Bogota, open to suggestions. Non touristy are better, because I'm officially not allowed by my job, to go to these type places. I will be doing some mongering in Medellin for this reason...

Peace Out,

[Cream on Top]

I am glad it ends well for you. PW. I am sure an ad in the paper will help you more as any mariage agency in the world. Make your own selections and be very critical.

To me marital agencies are a big NO NO !! show some initiative, be a man and chase your own pussies. dont let them gather around a "marriage manager" who is only tricking the desperate man and woman.

I believe this was your fundamental mistake. What is the "quality" available concerned woman running into such an agency ? Not much I think.

You got yourself a "possesive" ****. From day 1 she wanted to assure herself you would not have time neither eye for another pussy. That is (to me at least) the obvious reason why she invited herself into your bedroom (with our without sex, doesn't matter). From that moment indeed you should have had your red flag out !! she was already making up her mind without even thinking if this was OK for you.


To Elversele :

You are European (I know :-) ) Schengen country have a very man-friendly system to bring over a pussy. (it is although different for each Schengen country, yes indeed strange enough). I know how it works for my country. Let her come on a temporary visa for 3 months. When she fits into your house, your system, your culture, after she landed back in Colombia, she can go get another visa for long stay. And you can get her back in your place. ok 2 tickets to pay, no big deal.

1. it is way more cheap this way. (you went to colombia for 3 months) OMG !!!
2. For your pussy it is also beneficial. She can try to adapt, if it does not work out, she can return to Colombia, sorry for you, sorry for the pussy. At least she had a chance to find out. Meanwhile she has to take the initiative. When she works in Colombia, she will have to decide to quit the job, the family, everything she is used to. ;-) you feel the "tension" and seriousness of the decission she has to make ?
3. When after a couple of weeks, she "flips" over, put her on the airplane back to Bogotà. Case closed.


PW,
Open a new case, like you will be doing now. I wish you the best of luck and a better experience. I'm sure there is plenty of choice in S.A. for every bacherlor gringo.

[Hermescali]

Starting fights apparently to see who could win,

PW

Not to unknown in Latin societies. She wanted to be the boss. You show her her limits. Thats where you went wrong.

[Shanidar]

I HATE to have to be the one to tell you this, but do you think the American Owner would care? He already pocketed your money. Do you think for one minute he will feel sorry for you and refund your money?

Come on man, you seem like a nice enough guy who just got taken.If there is one thing I don`t believe in is SINGLE`S TOURS.

And NO I doubt it is customary in ANY place for a woman to invite herself to sleep over. Think on how many times she must have done it. Better luck next time, and remember " When things get tough, the tough get going" Cheers, Elversle.

Hey, I wasn't saying he would care. I just wanted to no what I did wrong, or how I should have proceeded. But, I have also been thinking, that with all the crazy stuff she did, she really isn't mentally healthy. Starting fights apparently to see who could win, or now, taking off to live somewhere, with no legal status (her 485 hasn't been approved, and probably won't) when all she had to do was shut up and get along.
All in all, I probably got out pretty cheap. Stay tuned for the witty quote -

"A good marriage can last a life time, and a bad marriage will seem like one"

Peace Out,

PW

[Shanidar]

I know this could be quiet to personal to publish overhere PW. In any case maybe you can point what you have learned out of it, so our fellow mongers; considdering just that "inch" more besides just getting laid; have to watch out for, they do not get trapped by a visa hound.

Thanks in advance for your feedback

Hmmm. I have been trying to get with the owner of the agency where I met her. I want to run by him, the stages and how things went. I hope to learn what is typical, and what should have been a red flag.

I am pretty shook up, becuase I usually understand most things that I come across, but I have no idea why this went so bad, so quickly. I do know that I SHOULD have shut it down after the first stupid argument.

Maybe some other mongers can answer this question: Is it normal for a Colombian woman to invite herself to sleepover at your place?

Our second Day together, sitting in her sister's living room, and having met her family, she looked at me and said "I am sleeping in your room tonight".

No sex occurred. It was one day later that we did the nasty. She told me that it was some kind of test to see if I would push her for sex. She said, had I pushed her for sex, she would have, but she wouldn't have seen me again. I also learned that she was a liar. So the previous statement probably was not true.

One thing I have found in common with my failed relationships? None of them had parents who were married. More strangely, in all of my serious relationships, the woman was raised be her grandmother. Important? I don't know. But I do know that she had no one around to teach her to cook, or how to conduct herself around a man, or how to be a wife.

I can tell you this. I met her, extended an extra week to be with her more. I went back to the States, and after a week of misery, I returned for another three months of living together.

Problem? I kept making excuses for her. She is stressed because she know the visa wait will be long. She is stressed because she knows that we will part on 30 December, and won't see each other until she gets to the US.

Then, in the US, the excuses for the fighting included - She is stressed because we need to get married for her to continue her papers, etc.

I was very open and non-judgmental to a different culture. I know that Spanish can come across as rude, or overly direct in English. So I downplayed the way she acted.
She actually told me that if she had only wanted the visa, she'd have been nice, but her hatefulness was proof that she was be honest and sincere. How is that for reverse logic?

My advice? Don't write off bad behaviour as "Maybe it is normal here". And don't put up with much. The population of Colombia is 44 million. According to the CIA world factbook, 14 million are aged 15-64. Don't weird out, that is how the data is released and no further breakout is provided.

Whatever - long story short (too late) Don't put up with much, there are too many beauties there to take any crap off of one of them. If the woman can't be normal or nice in her own country, she'll never be able to deal with all of the changes the US would represent, should you bring her here.

Also, INS does NOT have a good method to remove her. If she gets to the US, she gets all sorts of rights, and INS list no method on how to remove a mistake. I asked mine to leave several times, and she said "Buy a ticket". But knowing about how she lies, and that I couldn't FORCE her into the plane, I was forced to try to make the best of it.

Other advice that I have come across since this debacle started- Do NOT let your Colombian get in with the latino sub-culture in the south part of the US, ie Texas, California, etc. She will rub elbows with the types that no how to skirt laws, act like American women, etc.

Her friends had/have her convinced that "Any man can complete" her papers. This fueled her attitude. Most recently, she decided that she would go to INS an ask for a different type of visa. While this is officially possible, it is a bad idea. It also could land her in a position to found guilty of Marriage Fraud. The penalty, if found guilty, is deportation to home country AND ineligibilty for another visa to the US, of any type, for the rest her life.

Having spoken with INS officials, they believe this is a good description of my case.
But, my wife (for the moment) has moved into the house of some friends she made, venezuelans, and changed her cellphone number, effectively disappearing.

I guess one other thing I would do differently - I would require her to learn English BEFORE she got to the US. Much culture is in a language, and she would do better, and not be restricted to the latin sub-culture in the States.

Plus, non-willingness to learn English also says that she isn't interested in communicating with YOU.

My solution? I found work down there in Colombia, and the first time a woman starts talking about going to the US, I will show her to the door, re-list my girlfriend ad, and get another. But I'm not bitter ;-)

Sorry this is so long. I hope there is some value or warning signs in it for the rest of the mongers here.

Piece Out,

PW

[Cream on Top]

Please help... I am currently divorcing a Colombian visa hound in the US, and consequently, I haven't had an impressive provider in a long time

Thanks,

PW

"Join the Fight - Help prevent DSB (deadly sperm buildup)"

I know this could be quiet to personal to publish overhere PW. In any case maybe you can point what you have learned out of it, so our fellow mongers; considdering just that "inch" more besides just getting laid; have to watch out for, they do not get trapped by a visa hound.

Thanks in advance for your feedback

[Rzagza]

Does anyone know the Santa Fe area of Bogota?

Can someone help me out please?

[Peter Solano]

PW, from your postings I deduct that you will not live in Bogota? I am based in Barranquilla and can only help you here. Anyway my phone number is (5) 378 4656, and Cell (03) 310 624 4078 Good luck to you. Peter.

P.S. Pussy Seeker II, Thanks for everything and your kind words in my space. I am glad things are working out great for you.I am sorry you could not make it here this year.Well perhaps next.You have these girls boiling over you for what I can see. You little devil you. :)

[Shanidar]

Pussyseeker - thanks for the input on the ad. I will figure out how to contact Peter when I get settled in country.

Next Question:

I met my new boss today, and found out that I'll be in Bogota sometime next week, probably for around a week, before I head out to my site.

Anyone who would like to be a tourguide to the seamy side of Bogota, please PM me. Failing that, what are the names, prices and reviews for full service titty bars in Bogota. Beautiful women are required. Just any old cooch isn't enough.

Please help... I am currently divorcing a Colombian visa hound in the US, and consequently, I haven't had an impressive provider in a long time

Thanks,

PW

"Join the Fight - Help prevent DSB (deadly sperm buildup)"

[Shanidar]

Hey, what exactly did you write in your ad? Please share. Can't get PMs, because of credit cards, current divorce, etc. I am going next week to Colombia next week, permanently. I would like to hook up a couple of morenas, I just love brown skin. But I digress.

What did your ad say, or could you steer me towards a successful ad?

Cheers,

PW

Sorry buddy, I can not help you, I have never been there, nor do I speak a word of Spanish. POOR me ONLY have 3 girlfriends :) through a newspaper ad I had published in the Barranquila paper.But I am sure Surfer or other serious Mongers will gladly help you, and by reading the threads, traveling by bus outside those cities is a definitive NO NO.Good luck, if you need anything else PM, Cheers,PSII.

[Surfer]

And just having money is not enough to be acepted: nouveau riche (read: drug industry) are shunned by high society as scum of the Earth.

The envy of Calenas is understandable (they got it and flaunt it, and even if the Rolas had as much it is too cold to flaunt it the way they do in Valle). This is part of the reason I still feel Cali presents more eye candy than elsewhere.