Cali Reports

[Mr Enternational]

If you've been to Cali more than once I would recommend to not take the taxis but rather a collectivo. Taxis from the airport are very expensive.

Yeah those bastards charged us I think 40 or 40k last time from the airport to the hotel. I thought it was cool though because from the hotel to the airport the other guy charged the same thing. And believe me, I do haggle. But Dwayne, what is the latest hour for the collectivo? Would you still recommend taking it past a certain time? For instance if I were to arrive in Cali at 10pm? I usually stay in Bogota for the night then if I am going to a different city I make the trek the next morning.

[Catire]

Dwayne, I of course completely agree with but there is one potential problem and it basically depends on how much luggage you are carrying and how expensive something inside that luggage might be.

if you have some big suitcases and are carrying valuables, then in the larger scheme of things, one can bite the bullet and get fucked in the usual airport taxi scam.

but speaking of taxis, one of the most commonly used phrases here is about "...Clinica de Amor (every taxi will know where it is)..."

since many of the sex tourists, aka "serious mongers" stay at the Apthotel Rio, I think it would truly be amusing, (and even more so for the Colombian taxista) to take a taxi from there to one of the casas, including that one, when a person with a good arm can probably hit the place with a rock.

Most of them should walk the block or two to that place and many others. I suspect they need the exercise.

[Dwayne]

If you've been to Cali more than once I would recommend to not take the taxis but rather a collectivo. Taxis from the airport are very expensive. Basically they have a fixed rate from the airport to the bridge into Cali and then turn on the meter once they pass over the bridge. I think the rate to the bridge is $32,000 COP so you really can't get anywhere for less than $35,000.

In contrast you can take a collectivo from the airport, which are always available, and it is less than $4,000 (don't recall if it is 3200 or 3400). If you know where you are going along the route then they will drop you off, get dropped off and take a taxi, or you could wait un hit the terminal and then take a taxi from there. Typically you'll save yourself about $30,000.

For me it's less about the actual $$ and more about traveling like a local and not feeling like I'm getting ripped off because at $30k plus for a relatively short taxi ride it is way too expensive.

Cheers,

Dwayne

[Catire]

airport taxis are almost always a scam, it´s good to see an upfront system. thanks.

as to CCS upper end gyms, I went to a few and quickly ran like hell because the pricing was outrageous, and the equipment sucked for what I wanted and needed it for. Lots of posers.

that´s why I joined a hard core gym at a student price LOL.

the true places where the real real upper classes hang out in Caracas bring new meaning to the idea of stuck up. The only interesting thing is that in Venezuela, unlike almost everywhere else in Latin America, being a gringo among intellectuals and upper classes and old money does NOT work against you.

[Luis The Great]

Just came back from my Cali/ San andres trip 16 days of paradise. One thing I noticed that has changed since I was there earlier this year for the Feria. The Taxis you board from the Airport go to the guard tower and get a standard tariff issued. They ask where you are going and issue a reciept stating how much you should be charged. This will guarenty you will not get ripped of. I have experienced first hand taxi drivers know you are not from Colombia and try to charge you extra. Once I took a cab from the airport to my girlfriends house they tried charging me 50,000 Col. My girlfriend apporached the taxi driver and asked what he was trying to pull. The taxi driver agreed on 35,000.
This trip to my girls house because of the mandated charge this time came to 31,500. This is great for us tourists. Also its safer since if something happens the gate before exiting the airport takes the license plate number of the taxi.
I think this is a good system the city Palmira came up with.

For those of you that dont know the Airport by Cali is not in the city of Cali the airport is in the city of Palmira.

[Master Yoda]

Thanks rob Hay. I agree its a cali board so lets stick to Cali or just latin women in general.

RHay is (in)famous for chasing specifically that kind. Different strokes for different folks. I would agree it´s a waste of time, given you have all these 7´s and 8´s around without the attitude, etc that the so called 9´s and 10´s bring.

I just don't see why so many gringos think all the hottest of women are in the upper class. Rob Hay is different becuase he enjoys the cat and mouse chase but most gringos wouldn't even spit at a girl unless she was upper society. Surely one can find a knock out 9' or 10 in lower to middle classes too. There just may not be as many in those classes.

One thing I hate is when I about upper class women is their ability to do nothing. I mean when I was in DR I was dating this woman from a humble backround and every night she cooked dinner for me. Never got this from snobby girls.

in a place like Caracas, the so called 9´s 10´s are going to have Venezuelans with money after them (and there are plenty who have it). Those Venezuelans will be smoother and bring more to the table than the so called rich gringo, especially an old one, so a so called gringo cannot effectively compete.

but it´d be a mistake to say the CCS scene ends for someone at 30. Depends on you and how you look. The Venezuelan vanity culture extends to men a little more than in does in Colombia so the competition can be stiff.

Well I can only compare this to my experience in Santiago, dominican republic and this is fairly upper class place. Its more about time and money. If you go expat and you have money you will have more opportunities to meet them.

If your a weekend tourist in Santiago, well you can forget it.

[Rob Hay]

The Venezuelan vanity culture extends to men a little more than in does in Colombia so the competition can be stiff.

If anyone wants to see this vanity in the flesh go work out at the Valle Ariba Athletic Club. This is where every novella star in Caracas works out, definately the most beautiful people under one roof you will ever see. Even the receptionists are hot.

Master Yoda,
I dont want to take too much space on Cali forum talking about Caracas but for me the chase is as much fun as the actual sexual act. The game and the wooing is more exciting sometimes than the act. If you are really interested in Caracas take a look at my postings from about 3, 4 years back on Caracas with some pics in TSM and WSA. They are quite extensive, not sure why i didnt post them here on ISG at the time, i think there was a problem with this database at the time??? Check out Rockman's report as well for reference. Before he married a former miss Colombia contestant, I convinced him to go to Caracas just to take a look/ bacholor party. Rockman is infamous for chasing only the highest class and he left satisfied and ready to get married.. You can use these references to decide if that place is for you.

But back to Cali....
Theres a wealth of experience on this board as far for Cali. And everyone seems to be saying Cali is the way to go, so would trust their judgement on this one. Alot of guys here have vast Caracas experience but yet Cali is on our mind so that should tell you something. Everyone here have a ton of contacts for whatever your looking for so I would use these resources to your advantage. I'm not aware but am sad to hear that safety has taken a turn for the worst in Cali. But i dont believe violence has struck anywhere near Granada where i stayed.

[Catire]

also who in their right mind chases higher end chicas? it just seems like a waste of time.

RHay is (in)famous for chasing specifically that kind. Different strokes for different folks. I would agree it´s a waste of time, given you have all these 7´s and 8´s around without the attitude, etc that the so called 9´s and 10´s bring. (but like I said different strokes etc).I would also say that many if not most of these so called 9´s and 10´s have already had various degrees of plastic surgery and I hate plastics.

in a place like Caracas, the so called 9´s 10´s are going to have Venezuelans with money after them (and there are plenty who have it). Those Venezuelans will be smoother and bring more to the table than the so called rich gringo, especially an old one, so a so called gringo cannot effectively compete.

but it´d be a mistake to say the CCS scene ends for someone at 30. Depends on you and how you look. The Venezuelan vanity culture extends to men a little more than in does in Colombia so the competition can be stiff.

[Master Yoda]

I would concur with Ricker and RHay, but it should be kept in in mind that caraqueñas (and os for that matter) tend to be more stuck up than girls from other cities in the country, especially from the higher end social strata that you will meet, especially the so called super high end types RHay likes)

I am guess that is where all the hot lighter skinned women are. They normally are high end in Latin America.

also who in their right mind chases higher end chicas? it just seems like a waste of time.

[Catire]

Well the only thing I'm sure about is the arepas. They are definitely better in Venezuela.

As far as chicas, IMHO, I've never seen so many hot hot chicas than in Caracas. From experience though, and like Rob Hay says, they are not as approachable as the Calena.

Colombianas in general are more down to earth than the Venezolana in my experience, and the PFP is cheaper in Colombia generally.

It's not a rule though, cause I've had some sweet sweet Venezuelan novias too, and have found some great PFP, especially in Maracaibo.

I would concur with Ricker and RHay, but it should be kept in in mind that caraqueñas (and os for that matter) tend to be more stuck up than girls from other cities in the country, especially from the higher end social strata that you will meet, especially the so called super high end types RHay likes)

[Ricker]

... Ricker your the man and all and your the one whos posts convinced me to go to both Cali and Caracas but I'd have to take Cali over just about any other city in latin america ...

Well the only thing I'm sure about is the arepas. They are definitely better in Venezuela.

As far as chicas, IMHO, I've never seen so many hot hot chicas than in Caracas. From experience though, and like Rob Hay says, they are not as approachable as the Calena.

Colombianas in general are more down to earth than the Venezolana in my experience, and the PFP is cheaper in Colombia generally.

It's not a rule though, cause I've had some sweet sweet Venezuelan novias too, and have found some great PFP, especially in Maracaibo.

If I had to choose a visit, I'd pick Medellin or Cali over a visit to Caracas these days. The country (Colombia) and the cities are much more user friendly.
Fortunately, I have to visit both for work :)

But, I just met the prettiest chica from Barranquilla, her dad is from Bogota and her mom a costena from Barranquilla ... a great combo she is ... and a cool chica too.
I'm off to Barranquilla pronto!

Suerte amigos!

[Rob Hay]

The girls I was hooking up with in Caracas had a very Medellin type of look about them but there are all different types in Caracas and you can see the different types at the Sambil. But Caracas is a place you have to be young to be in the scene (20s). Theres no advantage in being a rich older guy there, maybe a disadvantage really. And those two places I mentioned are where the novella stars frequent and they usually wont let you in unless your with eye candy. I was frequentling Caracas a few years ago but now that I have hit the ripe age of 30 this scene may have passed me by. Cali is a place where you are ageless...

The nonpro scene in Caracas takes work and after doing the Cali thing I dont think your gonna want to work that hard again. That place is like South Beach, if your games takes you far there then you'll most likely be fine in Caracas but there very little advantage in being a gringo with money.

My opinion is spend your time in Cali...... you may not like what you find in Caracas.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

The safety of the city

Yea Right, lol You give a false sense of security, Obviously you are not up to par with the safety situation down there and its turn for the worse. Just beacuse you hang out at Tienda Vieja, or La sexta or Chipe Chape, these are all policed tourist areas.

[Master Yoda]

how is the general look in Caracas compared to Cali i.e. darker/lighter, taller/shorter, more indian make up/more european?

If there are triguenas/canela there. I will pass by after I do BAQ and Cali. I love that tanned skin and long jet black hair look like in Cali.

Yes there are more Super Estrellas in Caracas than in any other Latin America city I've been to but there are more cute non pros in Cali than anywhere in LA and most of them will give you an opportunity to get your 30 second pitch off. If your going to go hang out Loft or Vintage in San Ignacios mall you'd better be decent looking, have money to spend and have game or else this place may not be for you. Though if you are in Caracas do check out the Sunday brunch at the Tamanaco Intercontinental.

I've spent plenty of time in alot of Latin American cities and IMHO, Cali is the best place in the region for nonpros. The safety of the city, beauty and warmth of the girls,economic value, and the sheer overabundance of girls(10+ females: 1 male) makes Cali the greatest city in the world for a single man. And a divorce waiting to happen for a married man. I have fond memories of chicas of Caracas too but its not the same

Ricker your the man and all and your the one whos posts convinced me to go to both Cali and Caracas but I'd have to take Cali over just about any other city in latin america

[Rob Hay]

Yes there are more Super Estrellas in Caracas than in any other Latin America city I've been to but there are more cute non pros in Cali than anywhere in LA and most of them will give you an opportunity to get your 30 second pitch off. If your going to go hang out Loft or Vintage in San Ignacios mall you'd better be decent looking, have money to spend and have game or else this place may not be for you. Though if you are in Caracas do check out the Sunday brunch at the Tamanaco Intercontinental.

I've spent plenty of time in alot of Latin American cities and IMHO, Cali is the best place in the region for nonpros. The safety of the city, beauty and warmth of the girls,economic value, and the sheer overabundance of girls(10+ females: 1 male) makes Cali the greatest city in the world for a single man. And a divorce waiting to happen for a married man. I have fond memories of chicas of Caracas too but its not the same

Ricker your the man and all and your the one whos posts convinced me to go to both Cali and Caracas but I'd have to take Cali over just about any other city in latin america