Cali Reports

[Leo]

If Sunday is your first day there, and you're looking to collect numbers of non-pros for dates (and you have some game and can speak the language), then Tienda Vieja is a must (Sundays only)! Arrive by 6p to avoid a line (unless things have changed since last summer).

[Saint]

NPaul,

I TOTALLY agree with Catire. It's guys like you that make me sad to be part of WSG. Fortunately there are many good guys. As I mentioned, I never give working girls this money. I give it to normal girls I find working hard to learn English or in school to better their lives. I give it to them so they don't have to worry about dropping out of school because they are spending a large percentage of their income on school.

By learning English they will improve their lives. Anyway, I'm in Nice, France now and having the time of my life. Damn, these French know how to live it up.

Good luck all.

[Catire]

Thanks npaul,

That has to rank as one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard in my life. Unfortunately it's what I've come to expect from a significant percentage of [Deleted by Admin] here and elsewhere. It's almost sure to be quoted in the next article about sexual tourism by the mainstream media which quotes things off this site all the time (I have recently seen two, a Canadian expose on Costa Rica and a write up on Nuevo Laredo's Boys Town.

Thanks for making everyone here akin to a clueless selfish loser.

If you're serious about helping and supporting a working girl, then support her efforts at education or getting herself a job in the normal workplace. Some girls have no interest in this, not when they're attractive and making big bucks compared to an office job and when they have multiple dufi sending her money from overseas. However, some girls do have an interest in this - and if you are truly interested in a girl for whatever reason, you should perhaps have her think about the future beyond her prime hoing years, when the overseas boyfriends will find new girls to send money to and certified sex trainers such as yourself will find new meat to fuck.

That's how you "help" if you're really interested in being helpful. She'll remember your heart a lot more fondly than your dick. Otherwise, just pay her the going rate, be generous in tipping if merited, but please just [Deleted by Admin] .

It's beyond insulting.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited in accordance with the WSG Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another Forum Member or the Forum Membership in general.

[Ngp477]

Saint,

"Growing up my parents gave 10% of their GROSS income to the Catholic church. Personally I'd rather give that money to those that really need it instead of funding legal funds for some of those sicko priests. Help however you can."

Remember, everything you give makes the recipient more dependent. Teach a person to fish and he will never be hungry.

I'd rather support poor working girls by helping them be productive. By training them to be good sex workers we are really helping the poor more than by gifts with nothing required. Moreover we are helping them learn to be a good fuck in the bedroom with their future husband.

[Saint]

Hey Hysteromania,

I'll email you those names. You're totally right in what you posted. You can always help in small ways. You don't have to be wealthy. I'm not a wealthy guy.

People will always find ways to make excuses or criticize others. Guys tell me I'm wasting my money, being a sap, whatever. There is a guy that works a normal job in the Midwest. He doesn't make a ton of money but every year before Christmas he goes to NYC and gives out money. Sometimes $20 bills...sometimes $50 and sometimes $100. He gives to those he thinks needs help.

Growing up my parents gave 10% of their GROSS income to the Catholic church. Personally I'd rather give that money to those that really need it instead of funding legal funds for some of those sicko priests. Help however you can. Even if it's just a little.

Good luck.

[Sixtynine]

Saint, you gotta hook me with names of these girls from kaliente. PM me! I will check it out on my own too, but always good to know a name when you visit a new place. Good call on the toiletries and chocolate. I generally buy perfume as a gift for someone special and then get a cosmetic kit with little samples as free gift. Girls just eat this stuff up as they are generally big name stuff like Chanel, Gucci, etc and have enough samples to spread around.

Along with regalos, you can really score some points and the digital camera is imperative. She is impressed that the pic is viewed right there and then but even more so when you come back for round 2 and show her pictures of you and her together (clothed, mind you!). This blew some of my girls away and when I visited one casa in Manila, girl I picked already knew me because her best friend mailed her my picture. Was treated like a regular even though it was my first night at that casa. Needless to say, she wanted pictures of us together for her friend or to show off and make the other girls jealous, who knows.

Arriving late on Saturday night so may hit discos to try my luck and then hit a place like FF after I collect enough #s. Then Sunday begin calling and inviting to lunch or pool and see what happens. Thinking Sunday is best day for shopping for new shoes and maybe shirt or two and good excuse to strike up conversations with girls passing by or even store clerks.

I don't what it is about these women, which I assume are sweet and precious like many filipinas outside of Manila or AC, but sex is always better when there are intense feelings involved. Maybe I am romantic or sappy, who knows. I just know passion is intoxicating and invigorating, soothing and sensuous, yet mysterious and magical. After a session with a cute bunny, I feel a great charge like anything in the world is possible. That is how we get our head cluttered with thoughts like I could move here, teach English or work in a hotel, etc. But then reality kicks in and the relationship generally fades along with the suntan.

I wish I were rich, then I would be setting up a scholarship fund for those I thought genuinely deserved it!

[Saint]

Dick for Brains,

Yes. You can send in cash to the address listed on that page or a Money Order. Send it to:

WSG Charities, Inc.
Post Office Box 899
Dover, Delaware 19901

Also, with paypal.com a little known fact is that you can actually change your personal account to a "Premium or Business account". You can change your personal account so that instead of your name. Anytime you send money it will say that the money was sent by "Dick for Brains" instead of your actual name.

Also, you can sign up for more than one Paypal.com account. As long as you have more than one bank account. I have 5 Paypal accounts. Yes, you heard that right. Another cool thing is you can get an ATM card for yourself and another 2nd ATM card. I have regularly done this for people that I have "sponsored". It's an easy way for you to send them money without paying huge Western Union fees. They only charge $1 for every withdrawal. I've been able to use Paypal ATM in every country I've visited except of course Cuba.

I've never given this 2nd ATM card to a pro-girl. Usually in my adventures I meet some nice girl that is studying or working a ton and can't get ahead. I have sort of a scholarship program where I either pay for her education or tell her I'll give her $X for X # of months. The cool thing is the card has her name on it. It's a Mastercard too so they can charge things. You can keep track of the expenses online. I make it clear they are to use it for the important things they need and not to go over their limit each month. You can control how much you put in anyway but I've never had a girl try to take out or spend more.

Just something to think about. I'm sure some of you have novias or amigas and this is a quick and easy way to send her money each month.

Good luck.

[Dick for Brains]

Saint and/or Jackson,

Is there a way to donate money anonymously (w.r.t. our real names) yet to still attach our WSG handle to the donation? There may be many people who would donate if they were confident that it could not be used as a way to link up a WSG handle to a person's true name.

Thanks,

DfB

[Saint]

About two years ago I made my first trip to Buenos Aires, Argentina. I fell in love with the city and the people there. It broke my heart to see so many people less fortunate than us. There are many children that don't have adequate clothing or food. Shortly after my first trip I had a goal of starting a non-profit foundation or charity to help out these people. I was surprised when Jackson (owner of WSG) was at my apartment in BA and told me that he was in the final stages of starting the same type of charity. I was amazed and touched that we had the same idea. There really was no need to redouble my efforts.

The news media likes to talk about a side of the hobby that the majority of us aren't a part of yet they don't talk about the other aspects. I'm not quite sure how much WSG Charities has raised over the past year but I'm proud to say that many guys have contributed. Some have made very generous donations of $1,000 or more. I think that's wonderful! There are so many guys that receive benefit from WSG. Directly and indirectly. I posted the following below and I would ask you to read it and make a contribution.

Maybe Jackson will decide to branch out and help feed the poor of other cities. I think Cali or other cities in Colombia or Brazil would be great too. After meeting Antifreeze I think maybe he would want to be part of something like this to help direct funds to those that need it. There is nothing better than helping someone less fortunate than yourself. Please give generously.

I know some of you will have the response, "yeah, I already donate to charities in the USA" or make up some other excuse. Many of us donate to charities in the USA as well but I'd ask that you consider helping out this cause.

________________

"Hi amigos. Some of you may be aware that Jackson has taken the time to start a charity to help feed the poor of Buenos Aires and the surrounding communities. It's ironic because we both had the same thought about trying to do something to help the poor of Buenos Aires. He was much further along and took a lot of time and effort to put it together. Several of you have emailed me over the past several months asking if I still had plans to start something like this. There is really no need to double my efforts as we have the same goal.

I am asking all of you that have received benefit from my posts in the past and all of you that have received benefit from WSG to make a donation. This probably includes just about everyone reading this forum. Even if you have no plans to visit Buenos Aires you have probably received an indirect benefit of living vicariously through members from this forum. I'm not asking you to contribute a huge amount although if you could that would be great. With the sheer number of guys that read this board all it would take is a small donation of $10, $15, $20, $25, or $50 a year to make a big impact. If you can afford it then donate a few times a year.

I'm sure many of you could care less about the poor of Buenos Aires. If that is how you feel than so be it. I strongly feel that everyone can afford to contribute AT LEAST $10 or $15 to this cause. Several of us at the Thanksgiving Dinner last year contributed money to help with this cause. I hope that in the next few months I see more and more people with a designation under their handle that says they have donated. I didn't even know Jackson was doing that but it's probably a good idea. I would personally feel offended if I'm down there and out hobbying with some of you and you didn't contribute at least a little to this charity.

I feel like I've taken time to contribute through my posts and I've never asked any of you for anything. This is the first time and I hope you can find it in your heart to help out. You can make a donation with Paypal.com and that is probably the quick and easiest way. (To make it easy for him you might want to include your handle with your paypal.com donation). Please keep in mind that this is Jackson's project and he is the one that took the time to put it together. I know he probably didn't want to solicit donations and he never asked me to. I'm asking on my own behalf. Thanks in advance for your generosity!"

Saint

www.wsgcharities.com

[Ricker]

Saint ... just let me know when you're doing the Colombia tour and we'll figure something out.

Great idea about the little toiletries for the chicas ... I always bring a bunch of little boxes of chocolates you can buy in Walmart for about 75 cents/each ... the chicas love you for it.

Have fun in Peru with your novia ... I'm heading to Guatemala tomorrow for a couple days then off for a while to Colombia.

take care

[Saint]

Hysteromania,

In regards to prices, I thought I listed all that stuff. Most of the girls at FF seemed to all throw out the same price. 150,000 pesos ($56) for 1-2 hours or so plus you have to pay an exit fee of 70,000 pesos ($26) to pull them out of there. You can opt to see them in the club but I usually never do this. I don't like the dirty rooms at places and I prefer the atmosphere of my room. I usually go out and buy a TON of candles. The first thing I do when they get in my room is light all the candles, turn on music and give them a brand new toothbrush and sometimes I bring extra first class amentity kits that I get on American Airlines.

Right away it sets the mood and makes things really smooth and comfortable. It seperates the GFE session from the mediocre or rushed session. You are also signaling to the girl that you are attracted to her and you're treating her special. If you don't fly First/Business you can go out and make your own kit. Just go out and get a small little zippered kit and fill it with sample sized items like toothpaste, lotion, mouthwash, etc. I'm telling you I do this often and it works like a charm. The girls can't believe it! Definitely have music that you can play. You can bring a portable CD player or Ipod and bring external speakers. You MUST have music.

You might spend $10 or so on these kits but it's a great investment. Plus, it's a genuinely nice thing to do for them. It will distinguish yourself as a gentleman. (Of course if everyone does this I guess I won't be so special anymore...ha, ha).

*** Keep in mind that your experiences with FF girls might not mirror mine. I have pretty good luck. My buddy T.B.D. that is one of my best friends and has traveled with me some and met some of the escorts I ended up dating in the USA told me to emphasize in my reports that I have extremely good luck. It might not be as easy for some of you. I hope so though... ***

All the FF girls I saw were in NO hurry to leave. In fact, I was the one that told them they could leave in every instance. You set the perfect environment and they won't want to leave. Same thing goes for my apartment in BA. If they have the choice to spend the night in a crappy apartment that they share or a nice pad with lots of amenities they almost always will choose the latter.

The normal clubs are spread out throughout the city. Go back and do some research. Leo did a good job listing some of them in his report from last year. Take the time to go back and read. I didn't do the normal clubs because I was too busy.

The mall scene isn't what you think. These are just normal girls full of normal girls shopping, hanging out with their friends, eating and drinking. The girls aren't there to pick up guys. Remember there are virtually no tourists there so there are not really guys to pick up. These are for the most part sweet girls. Nope...no "cherry picking" going on. I'll emphasize unless you have some 'game' it's not going to be that easy.

Since you speak Spanish that will give you a big headstart. Don't be cheesy either. These girls are intelligent and can probably detect someone genuine from someone looking for a quick score.

As mentioned in my report, I paid no additional departure taxes by going upstairs and getting my passport stamped. The airline I believe already charged me $25 on my ticket and I paid no additional taxes. Good luck.

Hey Ricker,

Hola amigo. Nope. I won't be able to avoid paying their taxes. I'm meeting them in Lima so no biggie. I'll just give her some money for the taxes. I hope you're doing well. Hopefully we can hook up soon. I plan to head down there a few times depending on how things go with my novia. I also plan on coming down this summer and traveling to a few cities in Colombia. Let me know if you'll be around and want a running partner to go to a few cities. I have Medellin, Cartegena and Bogota on my list. Also, do you know anything about Armenia? Is it a really small town? Some of the hotties I met were from there. Thanks.

Mo714,

I definitely think I misspoke when I typed that. I think guys need to evaluate the risks and FACTS before coming to Cali or any other city in South America and especially Colombia. Obviously it's not as safe as other destinations. My only point was that it was NOTHING like the US State Department portrays things to be. They would have you believe that you are going to get kidnapped upon entering the hotel. That just isn't the case and if you live there you know what I'm talking about.

Sure Cali has crime. Sure it's dangerous. But I think you'd have to agree for the average tourist going down for a few days or weeks the danger isn't the same as someone living there day to day. I would venture to guess that most of your statistics are about locals. Still, thanks for posting that information.

It's good to have all sides of every story and all the facts when going somewhere. The other thing guys need to remember is if you have ANY doubts at all you shouldn't come. Part of the fun of vacations is to relax and have fun and not have to worry about anything. You can't quite do that if you feel like you have to look over your shoulder all the time.

Remember that bad things happen. You could get mugged, beaten or even killed in Cali. But you could get mugged, beaten or killed in Rio, Sao Paulo or even back in the USA. You could have been in the World Trade Center on 9/11 or on that train going to work in Madrid. There are no guarantees in life. Live life to your fullest. I won't feel guilty if something bad happens to you because you went to Cali. Only you can make the decision to travel and see the world.

Also, I don't consider that a flame at all. In fact, I think it's important for people to state their opinions. My posts are NO more important than anyone else's. We can all agree to disagree. As I stated many, many, many times. I'm only a guy with a few pesos in my pocket, that loves to travel, and I can sure type really fast. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Best of luck to all.

[Ricker]

Saint ... regarding the departure tax ...

You talked about before how you went to this office in the airport upstairs prior to getting your boarding pass ... in this office they gave you what is called an 'exemption' of tax because you are a tourist.

Your departure tax cost about $25-28 ... your novia and her brother will most likely have to pay full price ... unless maybe you can BS your way for an exemption for them too because they're with you ... probably not but you never know.

Suerte.

[Sixtynine]

Okay, got a reservation to arrive Saturday night and will probably play it safe at first and stay at Intercontinental. Then if I meet a nice chica I can invite her over on Sunday for a leisure day at the outdoor pool for lunch. :)

Saint, I researched some of the past pages but could not find much in relation to prices (only saw Flores Frescas for 3 hours) or how much the Hotel Cali is for example. How about apartment rentals? Would be nice to have a little party on my last night there. Also, I am fluent in Spanish because of my background but don't look hispanic, just a white boy from Miami.

Is there like a particular area where all the clubs are like in Manila or Buenos Aires or is it casas spread out around the city? What are video bars and are they only in Bogota? How does the mall scene work, is it cherry picking like Ayala Mall in Cebu where girls are looking for you while you are out looking for them.

Also, is it true the departure tax is that high, $47!!! Then again, I may fall in love and never want to leave, possibly......

[Moe714]

This is a report related to safety in Cali, Colombia.

Saint:

I do not mean to flame, but stating that:

"I can honestly tell you to ignore the warnings. Cali is a very safe city as long as you don't stray outside of the city."

Is not only erroneous - it is simply downright irresponsible.

The experience of a few days as a tourist is simply not illustrative of any city's level of relative safety.

I have been living in this city for five years now, and I can tell you, it is NOT a "very safe city" by ANY objective standard.

Right before I came down here, one of my cousins (Mr. Hugo Antonio Castaño R.I.P) was found dead right outside of town. He had been kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. Since I have been down here, a friend of mine (Mr. John Fernando Palomino Montoya R.I.P) was shot in the head five times at point-blank range.

The national and local governments just had a special security council intended to address the incredibly high murder rate. This is a city of over two million, and there have been well over 400 murders so far this year.

This is not someone posting opinions on the Internet. It's all over the news!

Check this out:

http://www.citypopulation.de/Colombia.html#Stadt_gross (population figures for Cali as of the middle of last year)

http://elpais-cali.terra.com.co/paisonline/notas/Marzo092004/A409N4.html (an article from a local newspaper)

I just checked the links - they work. Yes, the article is in Spanish. It's an online article from our local newspaper dated March 9, 2004, which outlines the state of affairs in this city.

434 murders this year, as of the time when the article was published. Yeah.

NOT "a very safe city" at all.

Now, is this city the equivalent of Beirut in the 1980's? No.

Bosnia in the early 1990's? No.

But is it a safe city?

NO!

Am I saying stay away? No, HOWEVER, everyone needs to know and understand that the city of Cali, Republic of Colombia, is not - as is evidenced by the above cited info - repeat not, a "very safe city".

Come down at your own risk. Be careful. Use your head. But then again, using common sense and knowing a few things about this city is no guarantee at all that you will be safe, it won't even make a difference in many, many situations. This is what I have always said to people when asked about the level of relative safety in this town.

No amount of flaming or endless conjecture will negate the facts I have stated.

Be safe y'all.

[PanamaJack]

Hey guys can anybody tell me whats the rate at the DANN CARLTON hotel, usually when I travel to cali I stay at the inter or if I go for more than two weeks I stay at the aparthotel rayda but I think I want to upgrade. I really enjoy that area, in general its the safest area in town.