Cali Reports

[Saint]

Pro,

I went to very few clubs. I did try Casa de la cerveza but it's a restaurant not a club. There are "beautiful girls" there. Many are with other dudes. I haven't had a chance to hit the other clubs. I've been on dates almost every night. I much prefer to go to nice restaurants or a pub with my dates and talk. I don't really dance although I'd love to learn. I had a lesson the other day but I was on a date and I missed it.

As far as the best place. I'd say it's ChipiChope mall. Go there on a friday or saturday night. It's unbelievable how many gorgeous girls there are. Many are with their friends. Many are with their dates. It's amazing how the girls even with their boyfriends will stare at you almost to say, "if I wasn't with my boyfriend I'd give you my phone number".

It should be pointed out that scoring with the non-pros isn't automatic. Just like in any country these Calenas aren't going to cream in their jeans just because you have a US passport. You have to at least be presentable. I'm not saying you have to be young, Brad Pitt, etc. Do the best you can. Focus on other things. If you're not in the best of shape, go out and get some nice clothes, groom yourself the best you can. Practice up on your Spanish. That is the biggest skill I can tell you. Speaking Spanish is the biggest key here. It's impossible to score a non-pro hottie girlfriend here if you can't speak Spanish. I wouldn't even recommend coming here unless you speak at least a little Spanish.

I think part of the reason why the locals are so friendly with me is because I start off by telling each new person I meet how wonderful the people are here. I joke around with them. That right away puts people at ease. Imagine a guy from Haiti going to Chicago and not being able to speak English. Do you think the locals are going to treat this guy that nice. Imagine if he got in a taxi, went to the grocery store, went to the mall. What kind of reception will he get in OUR country?? Exactly. Learn some Spanish.

I'm amazed that Americans don't have the desire to learn foreign languages. I've met so many guys that go over and over to Brazil. I'm talking every other month yet they can't or don't want to learn basic Portuguese. The same thing goes for other countries. Speaking Spanish in Cali is vital to having a good and arguably a safe trip. Again, my Spanish isn't great. I mean I can understand maybe 80% of everything. I've never had a difficult time getting across what I want to say and I'm able to speak as fast as most locals. I just have to improve my vocabulary. I think I'm up to about 25,000 words or so.

As much as I love any one city I just feel it's important to see the world. I absolutely love Buenos Aires and I hit it over and over and over. Some of you know I even got an apartment there I liked it so much. I broke away and forced myself to visit other cities and countries and I'm glad I did. I feel like a better person for doing it. People need to visit cities for other reason besides girls.

For instance, visiting Germany really touched something inside of me. I had no real knowledge of what the Jewish people went through during the war until I visited Germany and read some articles. Now I'm really fascinated and I'm reading the Diary of Anne Franke now. When I hit Amsterdam in May I'm really interested in visiting the museum there.

Every city has good things and bad things. Cali truly isn't a city I could find myself living in. The people are great but I live a good life. I don't give up living in a great house or driving a luxury car to travel. I have those things. However, if I lived here I'd have to give up so much. As nice and friendly as the people are here there is very little to do during the day. The guy I met from WSG that has been living here for 6 years seems content but I can imagine a little under pressure to make money since he has a kid and another on the way.

Even Rigo here at the hotel seems happy but money seems like it is a problem. He mentioned since interest rates are so high here he is forced to take lower interest loans on his credit cards. Yikes!

I doubt Cali will ever be a high end destination. A few dudes emailed me telling me that I shouldn't post such good things for fear of it turning into a Costa Rica. I don't think that will ever happen. Americans are too scared and lazy. And as I said, most of the guys on these message boards are only looking for sex. If hobbying is all your after, there are lots of better cities around the world. As much as I make it sound like Cali is safe keep in mind I've only been here about 9 days so far. Columbia obviously has a history of violence. I just don't see it here in Cali.

I probably will come back in a few weeks but I won't give up my other trips around the world. I'll see how this relationship goes but i know that I may be incapable of a committed long term relationship. I have to accept certain truths about myself. I always think the grass is greener on the other side. I was married to about the perfect woman (gorgeous, smart, gorgeous, from a wealthy family, etc.) and I didn't want to be in it anymore and was cheating around. I had a lot of guilt from the actions that I did during the marriage and I'll be really careful about getting into something serious again.

Something I love now is being able to go wherever I want to go, sleep in on the weekends without being asked to go run an errand, eating out every night, eating on the couch or the bed in front of the TV. Being single is the ultimate freedom. Still, the institution of marriage is so great. The idea of marriage. About having someone there to take care of you and love you for the rest of your life. I have a soft spot in my heart that will never give up on the idea of getting remarried again.

Sometimes I think to myself do I really want to be hobbying and alone when I'm 35, 40, 45, 50? Guys are stupid sometimes. We think about today or tomorrow whereas girls think about next year and 5 years from now.

Sorry to get so philosophical on you guys. I just have been doing a lot of thinking while listening to my Ipod walking around various cities like Paris, London, Nuremberg, etc.

Anyway, I woke up really early. I didn't sleep much. My hottie girl called and wants to meet up before work for a drink then I'll go out with her on another date tonight to the movies at ChipiChope mall. FLHobbyer's girl called me too. She noticed I had no Salsa music on my Ipod so she said she wanted to give me a gift of a Salsa CD. I have a busy day planned but I thought that was a nice gesture and will stop by and pick it up later in the afternoon after I visit my girl.

Later.

[Prosal]

Saint, did you experienced or did you heard about some of the regulars spots already mentionned on the thread (Mystic K, Academia de Cerveza, ect ...) : is the crowd there old enough for that a 30's gringo could feel confortable and not out of place (unlike Rio where some good spots in Barra or Leblon are packed only with teenagers), are there some unaccompagned groups of girlies partying in the discos and in the bars, what are the currents hippest spots to hang for happy hours, dining and partying for the wealthy 20/30's crowd (and the sexy 20/30 girlies !) , you already mentionned Reggae Pop but i think it's in the mall ? ...

Thanks for the reports, have a good time ...

PS : same kind of infos about Medellin should be welcome too, thaks in advance to any reply ;

[Free Sex]

Well after reading Saints and plenty other reports I am finally going to Cali. I will be there march 16th to march 21st if anyone wants to get together to hang out, send me a message. Anyhow great reports Saint, keep them coming. Oh and another thing, whatever job you have is MY dream job considering it allows you to travel so much! Just in case anyone wants to know. I am currently in Panama City. A roundtrip flight from here to Cali cost 290 flying with Avianca.

Happy Hunting.

[Saint]

Ok guys. I'm just home to grab more money then I'm out the door. I just went to dinner with my new novia and her family. I was a big hit at dinner. Damn it helps that I could talk to them. I was cracking jokes and I have another date tomorrow and I invited her younger brother to come with us with his girlfriend. Her family was so blown away by this gesture. Her brother loved me. She loved the flowers I sent her today. Her mom commented to me that she thought I was perfect for her daughter.

I'm going to try to hit some other clubs in the name of research. Damn I wish my girl was here with me now but I guess it was tough leaving with her since her family was there. I didn't dare ask her to come back with me. A meal with tip for me, her and 4 of her family members was 220,000 pesos with a generous tip. I had the restaurant call 2 taxis. One for me and one for her family. I paid the taxi driver 20,000 pesos and told him to take out a 3,000 tip and give the change to her family when they got to their destination. They were also blown away by this gesture.

Anyway, I'll try to hit Tangas and some other places. If they suck I'll go back to Flores Fresca.

Definitely practice your Spanish before coming here. If you can speak spanish and are respectful with these girls I can't imagine not getting a girlfriend. I've been getting phone numbers left and right from non-pros and I really stopped trying after I met my non-pro girl. I'm going out. Please don't get the wrong idea. I'm not saying it's automatic. You have to know the kind of guy I am. I think I'm charismatic and a dynamic person (at least that is what everyone tells me), I'm very outgoing and I'm not shy in the least. I communicate and read people pretty well so I can see what makes them tick. These have served me very well in business as well as life.

I've always had good luck with girls outside of the hobby and in the hobby. Still, I haven't felt like how Cali is making me feel before. More later.

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Sh*t! I guess there is a first time for everything. I just got done sessioning with a girl and I was closing my eyes thinking about my non-pro girl. Is that equivalent to going to a pro and thinking about your wife???

Oh well.. I went to try Tangas Club and it sucked!!! That Ramone guy told me that it was good. You can scratch it off your list. It's in South Cali about a 15 minute taxi ride. The area looks kind of rough so I wouldn't walk around at night in this area. I'm a pretty brave guy but didn't do any walking around in this area. Most of these types of clubs have 1-3 guys sitting downstairs shooting the shit. They will all frisk you to see if you have a gun (I guess in itself tells you something about Columbia??). I'm not sure. Also, I will mention one of my girls I met her boyfriend was murdered so that was a first for me too.

Anyway, Tangas has all fat girls. There is no cover fee and there shouldn't be. You walk up 2 flights of stairs and you see a bunch of locals. The girls are sitting around and the manager yelled for them to introduce themselves to me. I told him he didn't have to as all the girls were slobs anyway. I ordered a coke just to see how much it was. It was 2,000 pesos. I took one sip of it then left.

This is an area I didn't see a lot of taxis in. Always ask them to call you a taxi. I forgot upstairs but I paid the guys downstairs to flag me one down.

I was going to stay home. I can't really get my mind off my non-pro girl. Anyway, I went to Flores Fresca. There were a few cuties there. I ordered a Red Bull but was still thinking about my girl so I left. Then I was going to come back home when I asked myself, "what the hell are you doing??". I decided to go to Kaliente to see if that would change my mood.

I went to Kaliente and there must be a HUGE pool of girls because they had 12 girls working and every single one of them was different than all the girls I've seen the previous days. There was a cute girl in the line up. Not gorgeous but she had a cute face. I paid the 180,000 pesos to pull her out for 3 hours. After two hours I told her she could go because I was tired. She didn't appear to want to leave. You have to understand all they do at Kaliente is all share a room with other girls. It's not the best of circumstances.

Also, remember this ain't some places like Brazil and Argentina where these girls are making a fortune. Even the hottest Flores Fresca girl will max out at $1,000 US per month on her very best month working 6 days a week. Some of the girls in Buenos Aires or Rio can make that in a few nights. Cali isn't a high volume place and I doubt if it ever will be.

Anyway, as I mentioned the entire time sessioning I closed my eyes and was thinking about my girl. I didn't even kiss this girl. She tried a few times. What does that say about me?? Sh*t.

Oh well. I have another lunch date with my girl and then a dinner date with her. FLHobbyer's girl asked if I would stop by and say hi to her tomorrow. I'm not sure I'll be in that neck of the woods but I will if I'm there.

It's been an interesting few years and a multitude of countries for me. This is the first time I've felt quite like this. We will see what happens. I did find it interesting that these Columbians need a visa to visit practically everywhere. No countries trust them. They can't even go to Costa Rica without a visa!! One of the countries they can visit without a visa I heard tonight is Peru. But then again...who would want to live in Peru right??

Anyway, I asked my novia in front of her family if she wants to go to Peru with me next month to see Machu Picchu. She said, "Si!" I'm not sure how much a ticket costs from Cali to Lima but I figure it can't be that much. Her family laughed when I joked in Spanish if her parents didn't trust me I would get seperate rooms. Surprisingly her mom said that she trusts me a lot and that she thought I was perfect for her daughter.

I've dated a lot of girls in the hobby. Hell, I dated one last year for almost a year. I flew her in to my house several times...the whole nine yards. I had geniune feelings and all that stuff. The one thing though in the back of any guys mind is having to deal with their past. I guess we can't judge them too much because of the girls we see but honestly I think I may have seen more girls than some of these pros. Ooops!

Stay tuned...I'm seriously thinking of extending again but I think I wouldn't have a job so I won't push it. I'm already leaving for the French Riviera in two weeks for one week but I might fly from there to Cali. Am I nuts?

P.S.

What Slick just posted couldn't be more true. I think if you are coming down for the amateurs don't be afraid to be honest with them. If you aren't looking for anything serious just tell them you're having fun now but if you meet the right one you'd settle down. My girl asked me if I met other girls here. I said, Yes, in fact many of them. (of course I didn't tell her I phucked them).

You have to be careful with the non-pro girls too. With the roses I sent her I included a very sincere letter, part of which said that I will only ask you for one thing. Honesty. Not love or respect (because I will earn those things). That in ANY relationship you had to have honesty. I mean, sh*t. I have to admit the letter was damn good. I sure can write sometimes.

Sometimes you find love when you're not looking for it. I'm not saying I'm in love but I think this could blossom into something great if I wanted it to. I have to ask myself what I want. I knew there would be a day when I'd get tired of running around the world seeing pretty girls. Who knows if this trip is heading me go in that direction. I do know that I've never felt like this on one of these trips. Most of you that know me or have seen my pictures know my taste. I like pretty girls and have had more than a provider relationship with some of them. But they can't compare to how I feel now.

Time will tell. If you don't have Pimsleur Spanish get it. If you need help getting it cheap my buddy Juan has them. PM my message box here and I'll shoot you his email address and he can get it to you. I was an idiot and bought them for $1,000+ for the 3 series set then he told me he has them. Oh well.

Damn this is a wonderful Country. My goal is to see more of it like Medellin and Cartagena and maybe some other cities. Cali is a dump but the people are GREAT...

Leo, I did see that American Airlines office when I passed the IC Hotel. That IC looks damn nice for Cali. I might use it the next time. I think the next time I came here though it would only be to spend time with my chica. Not sure. Who knows. I'm a bit confused at myself now. I already changed my ticket once and might extend it again. The sad thing is that I have extended almost every single one of my vacations and it gets expensive after doing it 15-20 times a year. Ouch.

Stay tuned...


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[Slick1]

My oh my,
Yes I was there when the other forum member met this wonderful girl at the ice cream stand . Has he been back to see her in the past 9 months, I don't know. I hope so if she is as wonderful as Saint portrays.
The same holds true for the girl Saint met at the Estetica. Beautiful girl, meeting the family, gorgeous, intelligent, so what next ? Commitment, Retirement from the hobby, Denial, Rejection, who knows ? The board members I have personally met while all well heeled and professional, run the gamut from the true hunter to the hopeless romantic.
The aforementioned questions remain to be answered, for it is a fine line, or merely semantics, that separates us from the local men that have screwed these girls over in the past. As one who leans toward the romantic right wing, I can say it's not such a bad dilemma to be in, but I think I'll sit back and watch this one play itself out. It is a wonderful thing to recognize the innocence , charm and immense beauty in these Colombian women, but as Sean Connery said to Kevin Costner in The Untouchables, " What are you prepared to do about it ?". Only time will tell.
As for me, I'm checking airfares and schedules to Medellin for the upcoming weeks. My memories have been sufficiently rekindled.

Later,

Slick

[Vpofkuba]

Colombia has some great Bargains,

Today I was at ChipiChope near the Reggae Pop bar and this hot Calena comes up to me. She offers to sell me a English/Spanish electronic dictionary for $25.00, I offered her $15.00 and she took it! That must be over $100 in the States!

Just messing with you Saint. Keep up the reports, At least hit a casa for 30 mins :)

[Leo]

Guys, and especially you Saint, there is an American Airlines office in the Hotel InterContinental building (around side towards the casino) if you need to extend your trips :)

[Saint]

Damn. Today could very well have been the busiest day I’ve ever had in my life. I had a lunch date then another lunch date with my non-pro girl then I just spent the past 3 hours with the amiga of this dude from WSG. One thing is becoming very evident to me. Don’t come here for the pro girls or to hobby. Come here for the normal girls. This is THE place to come if you want to fall in love with a normal, beautiful girl. The hobby girls aren’t the ideal ones to fall in love with. It’s too difficult dealing with their past.

Dude from WSG, your girl is amazing. I talked you up a lot! You can’t meet that kind of girl in America. Hell, you can’t meet that kind of girl anywhere in the world. She is so beautiful on the outside but more so in the inside. I’m so proud of her for learning English. NO ONE here speaks English. There are not many tourists here so people in restaurants, taxi drivers, stores don’t have a need to learn like the other countries I’ve been to. The only one that speaks English that I came across is Rigo. I really think you’re foolish if you don’t try for something with this girl.

I can honestly tell you that I was in no way hitting on her. In fact, I constantly kept talking about you. I also told her that I met a girl that I really liked and was meeting her family tonight. Still, I gotta admit it was pretty damn romantic looking back. Again, please know I'm not the type of guy to hit on another guy's amiga/novia. I wasn't so know that.

I would have talked to her longer but I looked at the time and I noticed I have a date with my non-pro girl. I just got out of the shower and I’m waiting on my taxi. I’m meeting her family tonight. The amiga of the WSGér is learning English. It was so cute how we were doing English lessons. I was so impressed by her wanting to learn that I gave her my $100 English/Spanish electronic dictionary that conjugates words too. She loved it! She couldn’t believe that I gave it to her as a gift. Then she asked me about music so I whipped out my Ipod and we listened to songs in English while I translated. We were sitting at Reggae Pop (a little bar stand that usually a younger hip crowd goes to). One earphone was in my ear and the other in hers and she wanted me to translate songs so I was translating Dido and Sade songs to her.

I really have no desire to hobby. The normal girl scene is what’s great about Cali. I think I could fall in love every day here. The normal girls are so nice. Hell, I don’t even have a desire to hang out with the hot Flores Fresca girl. Why hang out with a pro girl when you can hang out with a sweet flower. The girls here are amazing. I can’t say enough great things about the people here.

Guys, if you can speak Spanish and you want to meet a nice, untarnished flower then I highly recommend you visit Cali. After experiencing it I just think there is no better place in the world to fall in love, meet beautiful and genuine girls. Now I know why Antifreeze moved here.

Anyway, I gotta run. The only dangerous thing about Cali is it WILL make you settle down. If it makes me have the desire never to hobby again. Imagine what it will do for you?????

[Saint]

Damn. I just had the best date of my life. I met with my non-pro girl for our date. We spent two hours together laughing, talking, eating and getting to know one another. She is the type of girl that I could retire from hobbying from. Understand that I´m the type of guy that really has a lot of confidence. There isn´t a girl in the USA that I don´t feel I couldn´t get if I wanted. Many guys tell me that if I keep this hobbying up I won´t be able to be happy with an American girl. What they don´t realize is that I don´t want an American girl!

I´m meeting her again tonight and going to her house to pick her up. I´m meeting her parents. She is just a simple girl. She doesn´t like going to the clubs/bars, prefers to stay at home, has a big heart and is as beautiful as they come on the inside and outside. I´ve met a lot of beautiful girls in my life but she might be the most beautiful one. I do prefer them a little older (she is only 19) but looks like 23 or so.

I think I was totally wrong about the girls here dating older guys. They must date guys much older than me because everyone keeps telling me how young I am. The club girls must have older novios.

Everyday I´m here I have a deeper respect for their way of life here. There is a simplistic way of life here that I really admire. They treat people like a member of their family. I can´t tell you how nice the people are are with the few tourists that are here. Every single taxi driver has been so nice to me. Most give me their phone numbers inviting me to use them again anytime I need to. I do tip them and they really seem to appreciate it as the locals probably can´t afford to tip them. Again, I think the nicer Americans are with them it bodes well for future American visitors. Treat these people right and they will treat you right.

Americans often travel around with the attitude that we are the best in the world. That isn´t right. Not everyone envies us. In fact, I envy the way of life here and the respect that these people seem to have for one another.

I feel great! I´m here at ChipiChope waiting on the amiga of one of the dudes from WSG. We are meeting for a drink.

Life is great!

Saint

[CaptainNemo]

Saint: Great report. I hope you find whatever you are looking for from the non-pro girl.

I (and many on this board) am waiting for the conclusion between you and the non-pro girl.

[Jaimito Cartero]

Saint - Glad to hear you're doing better. Sometimes a good nights rest lets your body recover. What's the rate at Rigo's place? I always prefer to stay at a smaller place as long as the rooms are nice. Personal service is great.

[Saint]

I did wake up with a full recovery. I think I just needed to get a few good hours of sleep. I feel fresh and I'm meeting my sweetie pie at 3 PM when she has her break from work.

I can't emphasize enough how good of a guy Rigo is at the Hostel I'm staying. There are nicer accomodations in Cali. In fact, I usually try to stay at the nicest places in town when I travel since I have a difficult time sleeping. There are many untold benefits of using Rigo. First of all he goes the extra mile to help you and he asks for nothing in return. I was sending roses to my girl today and I wrote out a letter. My Spanish is decent but there were still mistakes. Rigo took the time to correct them and printed the letter out for me. He also arranged to have them delivered.

He is a genuinely friendly guy and he gets the Saint seal of approval. I'd highly recommend him if you're coming to Cali. http://www.calihotel.com calihotel@hotmail.com

I was supposed to meet FLHobbyist's amiga at noon but I had to reschedule because I'm meeting my Flores Fresca girl. Funny she just called now and I'll meet her after 5 PM. So I'm meeting FF girl at noon, then going directly to meet non-pro hottie girl, then going to meet FLHobbyist's amiga. It will be a long day. Plus, I'll do something with one of the girl's tonight. Probably the non-pro girl. I'm sure the flowers will be a big hit.

I'm going to go to ChipiChope to walk around some and enjoy the day. Life is good.

[Vpofkuba]

Saint,

Your doing a great job on your reports. I was on another board a couple of years ago but that turned into a Flame/B.S forum and I have not been into forums since. I should really thank everyone Antifreeze, Frijole, Simple Man + many others for some really great info.

[PanamaJack]

SAINT,


Great reports it really does bring back some great memories of what cali was like when I was there about a 1 year ago. You know what they say in cali "las caleñas son como las flores", I've yet to meet girls that are as beautiful and nice as the caleñas. thanks for sharing your experience.

[Saint]

Ok. It was bound to happen. I officially hit the wall tonight. I feel terrible. I was on another date with the total hottie from FF. She is so sweet. We had some beers, walked around and I did the "shopping mall" test with girls I normally do. I see if they ask to buy them anything. Get this. I noticed her birthday was coming up in a few weeks on her ID so I told her I wanted to buy her a pair of jeans. We went into 3 stores and she told me to save my money. She didn't buy anything! We're talking about $70 jeans even in Cali in the high end stores. Oh well.

We went to eat at a Parillia but I was feeling so aweful. Not only did my stomache hurt but I started getting a migraine headache. Í mean I feel so sick that if she was naked and attacked me I'd have to turn her down. That's how bad I feel. I told her that I didn't sleep last night (which is true) and that I ate something bad. She asked if I wanted to buy her way out of the club (70,000 pesos) and she would stay with me. I am dead, sick and not to mention that I had to call my non-pro girl that got back tonight. At dinner she was showing me pictures of all her family (sisters, brother, son, mom,dad). I think they do this once you build a rapport and some trust with them.

Shit. So I drop her off at work and we make out a bit. She told me to call tomorrow. Meanwhile I'm dying on the way home in the taxi thinking I'm going to puke. I get to the gate and Rigo tells me that non-pro hottie called me and that I needed to get ready. I told him I was sick and dead. I did talk to her and we talked for 35 minutes. She wanted to do something tonight but I just can't move. We are meeting for lunch tomorrow and maybe tomorrow night. We'll see how lunch goes. But on the phone she already told me that she wants me to meet her parents! We'll see how it goes. She's a totally sweet and gorgeous girl.

Anyway, that means I can't meet your amiga FLHobbyer tomorrow as I was supposed to. Not enough hours in the day. I hope I don't feel like dogshit tomorrow because I want to make a good impression on my amor.

I'm dying. I'm going to try to get some rest. Tomorrow is either going to be the greatest of all days or it's going to be crap with me being sick. Pray for me gents.