Cartagena Reports

[Nypher]

Thanks for your response. It seems perverse as well as short-sighted to cheat those who treat you generously. I can well imagine the opposite being true. Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of someone that is mean? I have had it explained to me that these girls are different, but not the level of dishonesty they resort to.

Angela, who I think probably nobbled my beer would have earned 7 million COP for four weeks work. My losses to her if it was her that drugged me, were in the region of 2 million. What are the chances she is going to make that sort of money in that period now? Elena would have earned 5. 75 million instead of being scammed by the hag and her niece. "Diahann Carrol" would have made 6 million. Does that make sense to you that the first decides to screw me over for a paltry 50 k, and the other, 200 k?

Looking around the Clock Tower, there was definitely an over-supply of women. I am not sure that any two and possibly all three combined might be able to make 7 mill in that time. I understand it's currently low season there. It would appear that when these women find a golden goose, they can only think about wringing it's neck rather than wait for it to lay the golden egg.

As I have learned. Never set anything with them in advance as they spend the money before it even touches their hands.

- On day 1 bring them over and strike an arrangement for the day. Complete it, then send their ass home.

- On day 2, if day 1 was good then text them and in few words as possible tell them let's do the same arrangement as yesterday. She will most likely agree, complete it then send her ass home.

- On day 3. If the first 2 times were good then text them with something simple like "Uno mas? This is usually when they hit you with "Can you give me more money because my mom needs an operation" "I have family birthday coming up" "I need a new fridge" "I need to pay rent" etc.

This is where the mongers brain usually kicks down the fantasy door and throws them into reality (hold up! In the last 2 days she was given XXX mil, where the hell did that money go?) and that's when you realize that she's trying to raise the price on you for the same exact service that was performed recently so now you have to agree to the new price to keep the good service or stick to the old price and watch her give half assed service and run immediately after completion.

As a side story to the above.

When I was in Cartagena earlier in the year I met a chica and we had agreed on 200 mil a pop. It was good and I saw her a few times no issues. When I recently returned I texted her and she remembered me so I told her same arrangement as before and she agreed. She comes over, we complete the activity, and when I paid her I handed her two 100 mil bills to which she looked confused and asked me where is the other 50 mil. I told her it has always been 200 mil between us and she swears no it was 250 mil. Ok cool! I pull up our WhatsApp chat history, scroll all the way back to when we started talking from day 1 and showed her when she told me 200 mil and I agreed, then every time I asked her to do it again and she agreed for the same price. She could not believe it even though she was reading was her own words. Then she proceed to say well its now 250 mil and she needs more. I tell her that wasn't the arrangement but I settled with giving her round trip taxi fare of 20 mil. The next time I texted, she says its now 250 mil and I agree. She get there we do the activity and I pay her, this time I handed her five 50 mil bills that was folded in half, she took the money as is and placed it in her bag, didn't even count it. Now she's just hanging out were drinking beers and talking about random stuff (in actuality I'm just practicing my Spanish to say basic things like chair, table, towel, sink, etc) when she tell me her mom needs an operation then then she starts showing me WhatsApp messages of some American guy sending her money to help fund the operation for her mom. She then proceed to tell me next time it will be 300 mil because of this, and I tell her we will talk about it next time I want her to come over. I found a new girl for 200 mil.

Fast forward to when I reach back state side I see this same fucking girl posting whatsapp status of her in a doctor office laying on her stomach with no pants on, while a someone is using an Ultrasonic Machine on her ass while injecting liquid fat into it. She's getting Butt Augmentation! So much for her moms operation SMH.

[Mr Enternational]

Angela, who I think probably nobbled my beer would have earned 7 million COP for four weeks work. My losses to her if it was her that drugged me, were in the region of 2 million. What are the chances she is going to make that sort of money in that period now? Elena would have earned 5. 75 million instead of being scammed by the hag and her niece. "Diahann Carrol" would have made 6 million. Does that make sense to you that the first decides to screw me over for a paltry 50 k, and the other, 200 k?

I seriously would have thought you would understand cultural differences since your wife is from Japan. But you just can not yield what makes sense to you and see that what makes sense to other people may be way different. There is no need to agree with it or anything, but if somebody tells you it is a certain way somewhere, fuck how you feel or what makes sense to you. Just listen and take heed.

I went and got a masters degree learning how mfs in places besides where I am from think and operate. Try to pass on for free what it took me $40,000 to learn and mf refuse to even fathom that his way is not the way of the other 8 billion people on the planet. That is called being ethnocentric.

[Dublin12]

Live and learn LOL.

1. Never ever wife up the moment you meet her. Even after many chats and agreements over video chat in many parts of the world I always say let us meet and see when they want to know how many days they will stay with me. Who knows how we click together spending 24-7 . Besides sex bonds people. If it does not get rid of them. Do not make any promises before.

2. You should know better about promises made or kept on both sides. Go with the flow. Never give money up front certainly not daily shopping ventures. Moment the girl demands or reneges on the agreed deal try to use your brain to see how tactfully trying to get rid of the girl.

3. Never get police involved tourist or otherwise. They would side with locals any given time. You are just a stupid tourist as far as they are concerned. I personally witnessed 4 Thai guys beat a young Caucasian guy to pulp in Thailand patpong area and there were two tourist police quietly watching and not trying to stop it.

4. Obviously from your post you are a free spender not worried about money. So what even if someone scamming you and you loose some money to get out of the weird situation. Think of it as loosing money when you gamble. Mongering all over the world is like throwing dice. Sometimes you roll snake eyes. Deal with it. On the other hand you get out of the country with a smile and want get back next day.

5. Never try to get a orgy going with more than 2 unknown girls. Even then they will lie, cheat and steal.

Regarding 1 and 2. Those I made the long term offer to were told there would be a trial period. It was on the third day after this was concluded, Angela started to play up. I did not get rid of her immediately and gave her the benefit of the doubt about her "misunderstanding" the agreement, though if I am honest, I know in my own my mind she was really trying her luck. But after several other complaints from her in the space of a couple of hours, I told her to go. "Diahann Carroll" was also made the offer, but it was rescinded when I found that she had stolen 200 k, and worse still, brought coke into the apartment. Elena also accepted the offer of a trial period, but I got a vibe from her she was also going to misbehave, so I made it possible for her to steal 50 k and was proved right. Considering what my involvement with the duo that were pimping out cost me, I thought that was a bargain.

3. That's not what I have seen from the Thai TP.

5. It was not an orgy with more than one girl. The hag slept in the spare room. And on the occasion when they scammed me, both stayed in the spare room.

[Mr Enternational]

Regarding my linguistic difficulties, I thought it was the root for the word, "Vamoose".

As we say in the hood, "You thought like Lit; you thought you farted, but you shit."

Vamos is the first person plural present indicative of the verb "ir" (to go). Hence, vamos means Let's go, as you are doing something together. Vamoose does not mean anything in Spanish.

[Dublin12]

Well actually a lot of guys ask this rhetorically but it's actually true. In Latin America you do risk getting victimized because of your generosity.

Thanks for your response. It seems perverse as well as short-sighted to cheat those who treat you generously. I can well imagine the opposite being true. Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of someone that is mean? I have had it explained to me that these girls are different, but not the level of dishonesty they resort to.

Angela, who I think probably nobbled my beer would have earned 7 million COP for four weeks work. My losses to her if it was her that drugged me, were in the region of 2 million. What are the chances she is going to make that sort of money in that period now? Elena would have earned 5. 75 million instead of being scammed by the hag and her niece. "Diahann Carrol" would have made 6 million. Does that make sense to you that the first decides to screw me over for a paltry 50 k, and the other, 200 k?

Looking around the Clock Tower, there was definitely an over-supply of women. I am not sure that any two and possibly all three combined might be able to make 7 mill in that time. I understand it's currently low season there. It would appear that when these women find a golden goose, they can only think about wringing it's neck rather than wait for it to lay the golden egg.

[Mr Enternational]

There are no shortage of lessons to be learned from Dublin's report. The biggest for me as a young monger is to always have a contact that you can trust and knows how to speak the language, and to also heed the advice of the OGs on these boards.

One of the biggest lessons I saw from his report and one that I tried to warn him about in the first place is do not go to a new place and expect it to be like another. His big thing was this is how it is in Thailand. But Colombia is not Thailand. I have lived in Thailand for the past almost 13 years. When I go to Colombia or anywhere else, there is not one thing that reminds me of Thailand or that I am expecting to be like Thailand. I shared one of the same stories as Nypher where in Thailand I was blackout drunk and woke up in my bed with a stranger. When I am in Colombia I don't even drink at all when I am not with trusted friends or maybe if I am with a non-pro that I know and we are having a couple of margaritas when we are at dinner. But just tossing a few back alone around mfs that I do not know, hell no!

When you are in Colombia or Dominican Republic you can not just sit money around willy nilly like you can do in Thailand. Why would you even not only expect to be able to do it, but once you realize you have been stolen from, continue to test the waters several times after hoping maybe one of the chicks will not steal from you? He talked down on me saying I was a pessimist and a cynic. No mf. I am a realist. I am from the streets and I know how the streets operate, while you want to run around like you are on the Good Ship Lolipop. I am not going to sit around with a smile on my face tempting folks to rob me blind, especially when I know they have nothing to lose but everything to gain. England, Colombia, Kenya, Brazil, Thailand, Mexico, Philippines, Peru, South Africa, etc are not the same places, so do not go trying to operate in one as you are able to in another.

Then he said the chick stole 200K from him and said she bought cocaine with it. MF cocaine costs 10K pesos in Colombia! If you did not see her with a big ass shipment of it, then she has your other 190K change in her pocket!

[Sammon]

I remember many of you telling me that the culture was different in culture in Col. I don't recall anyone telling me telling me about the Scorpion and Frog mentality of these women.

My mistake was not to understand when people mentioned the different culture from TH, that it included a total lack of honesty on the part of these girls.

Live and learn LOL.

1. Never ever wife up the moment you meet her. Even after many chats and agreements over video chat in many parts of the world I always say let us meet and see when they want to know how many days they will stay with me. Who knows how we click together spending 24-7 . Besides sex bonds people. If it does not get rid of them. Do not make any promises before.

2. You should know better about promises made or kept on both sides. Go with the flow. Never give money up front certainly not daily shopping ventures. Moment the girl demands or reneges on the agreed deal try to use your brain to see how tactfully trying to get rid of the girl.

3. Never get police involved tourist or otherwise. They would side with locals any given time. You are just a stupid tourist as far as they are concerned. I personally witnessed 4 Thai guys beat a young Caucasian guy to pulp in Thailand patpong area and there were two tourist police quietly watching and not trying to stop it.

4. Obviously from your post you are a free spender not worried about money. So what even if someone scamming you and you loose some money to get out of the weird situation. Think of it as loosing money when you gamble. Mongering all over the world is like throwing dice. Sometimes you roll snake eyes. Deal with it. On the other hand you get out of the country with a smile and want get back next day.

5. Never try to get a orgy going with more than 2 unknown girls. Even then they will lie, cheat and steal.

[Dublin12]

First off accolades for such a great trip report. But the accolade is for sharing what you experienced, a lot of guys would of been to embarrassed to share what you went thru, and there will be posters who will chastise you.

Colombia for many is a wet dream beyond belief. Kind of like hitting a grand slam home run at times. You struck out multiple times, and your correct about speaking Spanish, without it your hosed in my book, but some may disagree with me, but you get it.

And as far as waiting for Thailand to re-open, I'm not holding my breath that it wii even really open up next year, so maybe you should start studying Spanish and return to Colombia.

But don't go to Cartagena, it's probably the most expensive place to monger in Colombia.

I anticipated much of what you said about "there will be posters who will chastise you", but it is what it is. Hopefully, people will learn from this.

I could have told a completely flattering story about my misadventures, but given that this forum is about explaining and swapping experiences, that would be dishonest. Besides, I don't need the glory. I can tell the truth, knowing that if you or any other forum member and I ever pass each other by in the street, you will not recognise me as "that Idiot who went to Cartagena".

Just to mention Cartagena, as far as the money was concerned, that was not really a concern. My budget was the the same as I spend in TH. I made the mistake of thinking that Cartagena was the SA equivalent of Pattaya. It wasn't the losses that annoyed me. It was the overwhelming venality of all the girls I came into contact with.

[Dublin12]

A very long report of many things that could have been avoided if you only took the time to acknowledge and understand what posters like Mr. E and myself were trying to tell you over a month ago before you even got on the plane in DUB. Posters like us who have been there multiple times made the mistakes, or have seen the mistakes being made, therefore we pass on the preventive information so fresh gringos who arrive do not repeat them but you threw it all out the window. The fact that were were there solo those girls took full advantage.

We repeatedly told you Colombia is not Thailand. I myself, said I can black out in Thailand in a club and a girl will make sure I get back to my hotel room and when I wake up, she's there, and nothing is missing but I would never, ever do that in Colombia. We repeatedly told you the culture down there is different with the working girls where most of them do not care about tomorrow or next week, they only care about what they can get from you at that moment in time on that night. They live day to day as evident of your first girl who spent all the money in 1 day. We told you a month long arrangement is not a good idea and I specifically said if this is done to make sure to send her ass home every day because you do not want her constantly around you. I've posted many times if the gringo get cops involved they will end up paying more than to just pay what the girl wanted. The cops and the girls work together to scam the gringos and trust me on this, they saw you coming even before you got on the plane in DUB. I mentioned no working girl is going to want 250 mil 300 mil a day to be with you when she can get 800 mil by taking her change at the Clock Tower, the mindset is "you, the gringo is only here for a week or two at most, while the Clock Tower will forever be there with fresh gringos every night".

Angela did have the overpriced numbers right at $250 a day which is why I constantly said in my posts and reports always talk to them in pesos and make sure they know its pesos. We cannot say a number without the currency format as they automatically assume dollars. Then you paid her for the following day in advance to which she does not have to show up SMH.

The old hag and pretty niece was a red flag, never take on a team when solo especially when you have no interest in the other party.

Elena was not worried about you future intentions as she already got what she wanted from you and the next gringo is primes and ready for her.

You placed yourself in a very bad scenario, why the hell would you let two working girls sleep in the spare room while you take on a third? They out number you three to one and you cannot watch all three of them at all times. You left your money out in the open. Yes, we can do that in Thailand because most if not all are on their best behavior but not in Colombia. Those girls straight lied to you, they did have a place to sleep for the night but didn't want to pay. Over in Getsemeni are allot of Hostels where the girls who know each other will take a room, usually its four to a room (bunk beds) so they could had stayed at a hostel. I'm still laughing over here because they even cleaned out your fridge and took the groceries with them. They saw you coming from a mile away jajajaja.

There are only about 5 girls I know and trust who I always see when I return and this is because if they ask me for money to buy something I usually give them 50 mil or 100 mil because I need to break the big bills. They will always come back and put the change on the table where I can see it, even the coins, yes the freaking annoying coins I never want in my pockets.

The only thing that saved you from being cleaned out was that steel gate with the double cylinder lock that requires a key to open from the inside, at least you wasn't like someone I know who left the key inside the lock because they didn't want to loose it jajaja.

I cannot stop laughing! You did just about everything we said not to do jajajaja.

I remember many of you telling me that the culture was different in culture in Col. I don't recall anyone telling me telling me about the Scorpion and Frog mentality of these women.

My mistake was not to understand when people mentioned the different culture from TH, that it included a total lack of honesty on the part of these girls.

[Dublin12]

We've been back and forth about all this before you left and now of course the predictable outcome-- You've offered someone basically $100 for a day. When the going rate is approximately $66 or $200 K whatever that is. What do you think is going to happen? What I suggest is is it is your cheap and a sucker which is a very bad combination. Disastrous trip is not much of a surprise to me in fact it's actually quite funny

What has the got to do with needing a PCR test? How am I "cheap" if I am paying above the going rate?

As for your finding it funny, I would have found it funny too of I had read it about someone else. That's no skin of my nose. I expected to be laughed at, but I did promise a trip report and sad as it was, I kept my word.

[Dublin12]

Thanks for taking the time to write this up. It's been a while since I've been to Cartagena, but if I were traveling for the purpose of banging women, I'd take it head and shoulders over Bangkok. Hell, when in Bangkok I go to Spasso's looking for Colombians.

There are a lot of lessons in this, ones I forget from time to time. Like divide your ATM cards up in a couple of places so if you loose one you're not screwed. Don't leave money laying around. Watch your drinks. Don't wife up until you know you really click with someone and even then pay as you go. Try to avoid situations involving the police. And if you and the hookers can't communicate in a common language, you're probably not going to have a good time if mongering is your main focus.

I got a huge laugh out of this, "About 3. 30, I am woken by a couple of loud bangs. I work out it is someone thowing stones at the apartment to get my attention. I go to the balcony, and there in all her beauty is the coke-snorting "Diahann Carroll". I really cannot believe that both these Scorpions think I will again carry them across the stormy river. I tell her "Vamos". She says something imploringly in Spanish, but I go back inside and watch her through a chink in the curtain. "

You said "let's go. " She probably thought you wanted to have another go with her.

In large part from reading stories like this I've avoided nightmares. I put a link to your post in "Reports of Distinction. " Thanks for sharing this.

Thank you for your observations. It's nice to be believed. If you think about, if I were to make up any such stories about mongering, surely I would paint myself in a better light?

Regarding my linguistic difficulties, I thought it was the root for the word, "Vamoose".

Regarding my compensation scheme, I've always paid in advance. My thinking has always been that if she's dishonest, let's find out ASAP and get rid of the prob. You will note that I did get all four targets into the bed. It was what happened after, that became the prob. Angela was the only one that got paid in advance and then was taken off payroll that I never got the final satisfaction from.

Funnily, I recall reading a recent post on this forum where someone else reported on the tactic to claim that she "thought" the offer was $250 instead of 250 K COP. Maybe it was the same girl in both cases.

[GeneHickman]

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$500? How does my offer of $1800 + shopping etc, make me the bad guy? Is the suggestion that I was victimised because of my generosity?

[GeneHickman]

$500? How does my offer of $1800 + shopping etc, make me the bad guy? Is the suggestion that I was victimised because of my generosity?

Well actually a lot of guys ask this rhetorically but it's actually true. In Latin America you do risk getting victimized because of your generosity.

[Dublin12]

You can also send money to yourself using WA or WorldRemit. That way even if you do not have cards you can get it from Exito or supermarket giving the reference number and showing ID.

Thanks for that, but I've never heard of either of them. Not sure what WA is, but they do have World Remit in Ireand, I have since found out. But the initial problem wasn't WU itself, but that many of the WU franchises in Cartagena are Mickey Mouse and just do not have sufficient cash on hand to pay out €500.

[Dublin12]

I do not think you are an experienced monger. Even in Thailand you need to be careful if you were doing the same things you did. I did some wifing up in Costa Rica many times with Colombians. Did tour everywhere. They were really beautiful. Two of them them had all my spending money in their purse (ofcourse bulk of the cash is in safe deposit along with passport, credit cards, I phone, anything valuable) I did pay at the end generously but not before.

Planning to go to Cartagena in November. Prefer staying in a hotel. I heard hotel OZ is girl visitor friendly. Reviews say do not get the cheapest room there. That one does not have a window.

Generally I never drink other than bottled beer in unknown places. Even then never out of my sight.

Enjoyed reading your report. A very good warning to people planning to party wildly without a wingman.

Regarding your doubts about my prior experience, I can't help that. All I can say is that since 2006, I have about 20 trips under my belt to Thailand, Cambodia and Phils, and the places I've been have been BKK, KK, CM, CR, Korat and Nong Khai but mostly Pattaya in TH, Snooky, PP and Siam Reap and Angeles in Phils. Apart from the two incidents in TH, nothing untoward has ever occurred before this trip.

And yes, I made the mistake of drinking from an open glass. Something I should have been alert to. But in SEA, they always give the beer in a bottle. My experience is that you have to ask for a glass there. But they serve the beers in Styrofoam jackets known as "condoms", which keeps the beer cooler for longer. So I got careless. Stupid of me.