Cartagena Reports

[Balboa]

It's only the end of the world if you or a loved one has the virus and dies or is incapacitated and / or permanently affected by the hospitalization. Otherwise, no problem.

You are a true humanitarian.

Do you know the recovery rate from death?

Do you know the long term effect of having had the virus at all? And one does. Consider Chicken Pox, herpes zoster. Lays dormant in the body for 40 years the reappears as shingles. Ouch.

While personally you may not be impacted, you will carry the society cost of so many people having poor health, lost mothers, lost fathers, lost grandparents, lost knowledge.

To consider the death rate is such a small part of the required analysis.

I stand corrected.

You're both right.

It is the end of the world.

Thank you for your wisdom and knowledge.

[PilotPaul]

Yes, it's a very contagious, and potentially dangerous virus for some, however, it's not the end of the world.

You are a true humanitarian.

Do you know the recovery rate from death?

Do you know the long term effect of having had the virus at all? And one does. Consider Chicken Pox, herpes zoster. Lays dormant in the body for 40 years the reappears as shingles. Ouch.

While personally you may not be impacted, you will carry the society cost of so many people having poor health, lost mothers, lost fathers, lost grandparents, lost knowledge.

To consider the death rate is such a small part of the required analysis.

[Tomasb]

It's only the end of the world if you or a loved one has the virus and dies or is incapacitated and / or permanently affected by the hospitalization. Otherwise, no problem.

I agree with you.

People, tourists, whoever, will go back to NYC, Italy, Cartagena, etc, after this has run its course whether it be thru immunity, vaccine, found treatments, etc.

P.S. . This was at the tail end of the article concerning Covid deaths in Colombia yesterday:

"Friday's 21 deaths occurred in Bogota, Tumaco, Mosquera, Cali, Barranquilla and Leticia. Bogota accounted for two of the victims. All fatalities suffered from pre-existing medical conditions, among them, cancer, hypothyroidism, diabetes and cardio-respiratory failure".

We all know who this virus affects most. It's sad when anyone dies, from this virus or from whatever cause of death.

Yes, it's a very contagious, and potentially dangerous virus for some, however, it's not the end of the world.

[Questner]

Just received word from a Cartagena chica that they're going back into full quarantine in Cartagena. Not sure what all that entails, but if anyone is riding this out there, expect a few rough weeks.

Here is the link for everyone to follow:

https://www.eluniversal.com.co/espec...-en-cartagena/

[JjBee62]

Just received word from a Cartagena chica that they're going back into full quarantine in Cartagena. Not sure what all that entails, but if anyone is riding this out there, expect a few rough weeks.

[TheCarlAnthony]

So sad to this thread dead and dry. Its like reality has set in for me. Was once my favorite city. Not much to look forward to. Medellin it is. Soon.

[Questner]

Maybe they will change a mayor, get the city balance sheet right and build a promenade and not follow idiotic gender based days like in Bogota.

[Black Page]

We all know who this virus affects most. It's sad when anyone dies, from this virus or from whatever cause of death.

There is a second side of the story. When all hospitals are overwhelmed by COVID, there is no room for "regular guests", which means a lot in my country died not because sick of COVID, but because of COVID anyay, for heart or normal diseases, because of lack of regular medical attention.

[Balboa]

I

.. the lack of tourists in Cartagena for the months or years to come will be not because Cartagena now is a hot spot, but because borders will stay closed, or because people will not want to cross borders (to Colombia or to USA) to not risk 2 weeks of quarantine.

I hope this clears the misunderstanding.

I agree with you.

People, tourists, whoever, will go back to NYC, Italy, Cartagena, etc, after this has run its course whether it be thru immunity, vaccine, found treatments, etc.

P.S. . This was at the tail end of the article concerning Covid deaths in Colombia yesterday:

"Friday's 21 deaths occurred in Bogota, Tumaco, Mosquera, Cali, Barranquilla and Leticia. Bogota accounted for two of the victims. All fatalities suffered from pre-existing medical conditions, among them, cancer, hypothyroidism, diabetes and cardio-respiratory failure".

We all know who this virus affects most. It's sad when anyone dies, from this virus or from whatever cause of death.

Yes, it's a very contagious, and potentially dangerous virus for some, however, it's not the end of the world.

[Black Page]

Since you can't follow links and read evidently:
https://youtu.be/tVSxgSrQAM4
I'm not asking for a discussion of California or Europe. I posted about Cartagena in the Cartagena thread.

I reassure you. I can read.

You missed my point. I know what is a hot spot, but I do not think Cartagena is a "hotter spot" than NYC, or LA, or my city in Europe. We had 20k-30k deaths in several European countries. NYC alone nearly 30k already. We will have many more, once the lockdown is relaxed. Cartagena and Colombia are just entering the nightmare. 1k infected is still nothing.

Cartagena cannot be considered worse than where we live. The numbers reported in that video are very small, compared to the numbers reported in NYC, USA, Europe, my country, my town, etc. Going to Cartagena is not more dangerous than going to many other countries (to name one in LA: Brazil!) On top of all that, we do not know what are the real numbers, hidden as untested. In short: WE (USA and Europe) ARE THE HOT SPOTS, not Colombia (yet).

Therefore, since you could not read my post evidently (or I was not clear enough, depending on how strong we want to discuss), the lack of tourists in Cartagena for the months or years to come will be not because Cartagena now is a hot spot, but because borders will stay closed, or because people will not want to cross borders (to Colombia or to USA) to not risk 2 weeks of quarantine.

I hope this clears the misunderstanding.

[YippieKayay]

What is a hot spot for COVID?

Since you can't follow links and read evidently:

https://youtu.be/tVSxgSrQAM4

I'm not asking for a discussion of California or Europe. I posted about Cartagena in the Cartagena thread.

[Black Page]

Tourists aren't going to flock to a place that had become a hot spot for COVID-19.

What is a hot spot for COVID? USA and Europe has been hit much worse than Colombia, at least for the moment. I am sure there is some, yet it sounds odd, that someone living in California may think that Colombia is more at danger for COVID. I am from Europe and no country will welcome me for a long time at international borders.

This virus is a worldwide problem. People is forbidden to move around because mobility is a major factor impacting the increase rate of the epidemic, but nowadays the virus is already everywhere, and so it will be for years.

[YippieKayay]

Evidently cases are starting to spike in Cartagena and the Colombian Caribbean coast:

https://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/...colombia/25061

It appears that cases are climbing quickly according to that article and the data released by the Ministry of Health in Colombia:

https://twitter.com/MinSaludCol/stat...41184081833984

Worldometers shows the number of confirmed, or presumptive, daily cases in Colombia continuing to rise:

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ntry/colombia/

I do communicate with a couple of chicas there who keep sending me their dirty photos but I wasn't able to get anything meaningful from them on the situation. They are still in lock down with specific days for people to go out based on their gender and ID number. My tout tells me he's worried he will run out of food soon. If Cartagena gets hit hard, which it appears its about to, then that city will be changed for a long time. Tourists aren't going to flock to a place that had become a hot spot for COVID-19. That in turn will cause a death spiral in the local economy.

Anyone currently there care to share what the situation is like on the ground?

[Black Page]

Due to current travel guidelines in the United States, persons who have been in China, Iran, or certain European countries within 14 days prior to the flight will not be allowed to board this flight.

Basically they believe that people coming from China, Iran, Europe is a danger as could bring virus to USA.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Black Page]

Have you been in a coma the past month? LOL.

Indeed that is an amazing post. Good to read something so funny at times, to relieve the anguish we all feel.

Did you see "28 Days Later"? Fortunately the virus is less aggressive, but the sleep seems so deep.