Cartagena Reports

[JayWonEm]

Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is.

It may sound absolutely insane, and maybe it is, but it is not much more insane than in the US. Or probably most places. The US equivalent would be a girl charging $6-700 compared to a guy making $40 K per year. There are actually lots of girls who are charging that, and they aren't working for $2-300 because of what a restaurant manager makes. Shockingly, there are guys on the domestic boards who complain about the guys paying those prices and how they are ruining it for everyone else, there are girls who complain about hagglers and cheapskates, and there are guys paying their rates who don't give a fuck what any other guys think. I won't say the comparison is the same, but it isn't out of the ballpark.

As far as anyone "ruining things" for anyone else. I'm not buying it. They may be "ruined" in some people's opinion, but if I can pay $100/ HR for a date with a hot girl who isn't a clockwatcher and who would go for $500/ HR at home, that isn't ruined. If you have a secret spot in the world where there are plentiful young, beautiful women who love to fuck for almost no money, enjoy it. Eventually other people will find it and prices will go up. Even if everyone who learned about it went there with your shrewd negotiating skills and refused to compromise, supply and demand means either prices would go up or there would be a shortage. It's globalization and there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it except make our own decisions based on our own criteria.

[MongerHunger]

Same shit with Travelveristy, when anyone mentions his name to book a consultation they get dunked on too because his "girlfriend" still got that Monger in Asia porn video up.

Do you remember the title of that video or the link?

[Mr Enternational]

But here's the thing. I love how the haters say you're ruining it for the rest of us or I'm overpaying.

Where is the post that guys say this? There is not one. We say you are fucking it up for other guys coming after you, not for ourselves. We already know the deal and how to navigate and are trying to put others on game. You are not fucking it up for us.

I just said the other day how my buddy here in Thailand did not listen and paid the chick $110 because he had to have her. According to you I was hating when I told him that was way too much. She wanted to come back the next day but he wised up and now only wanted to give her half of that but she refused because he had already fucked it up for himself. The day after that she hit him up begging to take the half he was offering. Then he tried to go even lower to what I told him to pay in the first place. I was like man don't play games with the chick. You should have stuck with the price I was telling you from the jump instead of paying 3 times more. But when he first got here he was so excited and horny and that money was burning such a hole in his pocket, that what I said went in one ear and out the other (or maybe he thought I was hating!) Later on, he realized that what I told him was gospel and he did fuck around and overpay when she hit him up begging for the lesser amount.

Guys like me are good and are not going to be hurt. Hell I am in the bed with a free chick right now. When me and my boy are out walking around and a chick tries to tell him a higher price, I speak up and they put their hand over my mouth because I know too much and am trying to teach him not to fall for it. But for some reason you label trying to teach my boy the real deal being a hater.

My time is more valuable than a 100 usd. I'the rather get what I want when I want. I don't care if I pay more than the next guy or less than the next guy.

So when you see that plane ticket is $800, you are not trying to wait to see if it drops to $700, because your time is more valuable than $100? Or is it just when it comes to pussy that your time is more valuable than $100?

[Gabacho]

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[Questner]

There is also a classic piece of verse that sums it up, in a way:

When I was young and had no sense.

In far-off Mandalay.

I lost my heart to a Burmese girl.

As lovely as the day.

Her skin was gold, her hair was jet.

Her teeth were ivory;.

I said, 'for twenty silver pieces.

Maiden, sleep with me'.

She looked at me, so pure, so sad.

The loveliest thing alive.

And in her lisping, virgin voice.

Stood out for twenty-five.

George Orwell.

[Questner]

All those musings about prices although sensible don't pass a bar in real life. What do you say to all few Colombians who pay millions to girls over the weekend? Take a closer look in the mirror and ask 'How much would I charge to fuck him?' The same applies to all subpar girls that show up for sex work. And then a rare dolled up beauty at the right hour with all her overhead demands a higher rate and exploits competition. Now it takes me just seconds to approach her and make a reasonable offer. I have never regretted paying a premium. I have regretted not paying it and missing a chance.

[Givency]

Fresh back. CTG is done. All the beauties that came from all over have disappeared. Whats left are a bunch of 4th stringers roaming the alleys and streets of Centro. Hollywood beach, average talent. Androgeno, will never go there again. Men outnumbered the 4th stringers 10 to 1 easy. The rapper crowd in Androgeno just not for me and I'm the same ethnicity as most of the folks in there. With Space, Dolce and Delirium closing, alot of the talent has gone elsewhere. Until the clubs open back up, I won't be back. Thos clubs attracted the real talent from all over Colombia from my perspective. The best babe I had concurred and was going to Mexico and other places until things go back to what was normal.

[Sangnyc21]

They didn't ruin Cartagena because there aren't enough men to go around. Those prices are not sticky because a muchacha can't afford to let you walk away. It's the difference between paying her rent or buying her son new shoes or not.

Think about it. If 350-400 k pesos was the going rate for short time in Cartagena, why would a Colombian working girl work in Barranquilla, Bogota, or Medellin for 150 k? The city would be flooded with ladies.

Let's put this in perspective. I live here in Cartagena. My girlfriend's dad, a Cartagenero, earns 1. 8 MM pesos a month managing a restaurant in Bocagrande. He's in his late 40's and has been doing this for 13 years. Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is. 400 k pesos is a ridiculous amount of money for the vast majority of Colombians.

Sex workers in all countries including the US are capable of making the average monthly salary on one night. I know strippers pulling in 5-6 k in one shift in NyC. Not even Vegas. Girls charging 1 k an hour getting 3-4 clients.

That's why I never understood this comparison. Sex workers will make a lot more than an average working salary. That's how it's always been. Even at third world rates they can make 2-300 k a night dancing at a strip club that comes to 7-8 million a month.

[Orgasmico]

Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.

Don't forget about Costa Rica.

[Sangnyc21]

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[Elvis 2008]

I agree with this!!
My time is more valuable than a 100 usd. I'the rather get what I want when I want. I don't care if I pay more than the next guy or less than the next guy.
I go out and I pick the girl I want. The girl doesn't pick me.
I dictate exactly what I want and how I want it. She quotes a price and it's MY CHOICE to accept negotiate or whatever.

But here's the thing. I love how the haters say you're ruining it for the rest of us or I'm overpaying.

Last time I checked are we a team? More guys on here would hide their favorite hookers because they don't want to share or think others will overpay.

If someone gives me a recommendation then of course I'm not paying more than he did. Simple as that.

But MY time is much more valuable than a 100 bucks.

Also monger and groups like this board are the big minority compared to weekend warriors.

You can look at a girl and instantly know if she gets big $$ from elsewhere. It's really common sense. The hotter girls will quote high and stand firm. Where I would walk is if she tells me on top of the high price she's only doing CBJ. But if she's hot and taking a facial then I'm paying.

I am glad there is some push back on this. If I have to hear about how mongers ruined a place, I am going to laugh. Top 5% salary in USA now is $250,000 which is $125 per hour but even that does not do it because a higher percentage of wealthy man travel. So it is probably more like one in ten men who travel to Cartagena is making $125 an hour and above, so $125 or $250 is nothing for them.

A buddy of mine makes the equivalent of $200 per hour and paid $200 for two hours and said it was a top 5 experience for him. Do you think he is going to give up a top 5 experience because of the guys here screaming he is being selfish and messing up the market? I do not think he even knows about the site.

One of the other things these guys do not get is the really hot women have options. I had a breakup with an ex-fiance who had one of the nicest bodies you will ever see. Six pack abs. Crazy strong thighs and worked out like a fiend. After we broke up, she made damned sure she showed me all the American guys pursuing her. Marrying one of them would have not been a problem for her.

The top guys want filet mignon and the guys eating hamburger here, and it is obvious who they are, gripe nonstop about the price of hamburger going up. They claim pussy is pussy and therefore beef is beef. As I have asked so many times, why don't they object to the prices on anything else? Why aren't you making fun of the guys eating filet mignon or staying in the expensive hotels?

My Cartagena apartment was 3 million COP. With the dollar at its peak, that was $600 per month. Now with the weaker peso and the complex raising the price to 3. 5 million COP, it is close to $1000 per month. I guess that is the fault of mongers too even though I have yet to see an American or any foreigner around it.

[PerkinWarbeck]

Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.

They didn't ruin Cartagena because there aren't enough men to go around. Those prices are not sticky because a muchacha can't afford to let you walk away. It's the difference between paying her rent or buying her son new shoes or not.

Think about it. If 350-400 k pesos was the going rate for short time in Cartagena, why would a Colombian working girl work in Barranquilla, Bogota, or Medellin for 150 k? The city would be flooded with ladies.

Let's put this in perspective. I live here in Cartagena. My girlfriend's dad, a Cartagenero, earns 1. 8 MM pesos a month managing a restaurant in Bocagrande. He's in his late 40's and has been doing this for 13 years. Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is. 400 k pesos is a ridiculous amount of money for the vast majority of Colombians.

[PerkinWarbeck]

These guys are all simps and professional tricks. They don't even know the real Colombia. If they were concerned about actually getting a real value for their money they wouldn't even be in Cartagena they would be in Cucuta. So let them trick off their money and flash their gold chains (until that catches up with them LOL). Cartagena is basically another Panama City or Sosua now anyways.

I don't like insulting other men, especially in this case. I just want guys to get the most value for their dollar / euro, especially here in Colombia, where foreigners get taken advantage of so casually. So you pay 400 k for what another man pays 150 for. The 150 paying gent gets better service (oral a natural & 2 shots), while my foreign brethren pay way more fore pessimistic rushed service. It's just not right.

[Nypher]

Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.

Thailand been ruined ever since Zoom went over there and started promoting Pattaya as a place to find a wife. Pattaya of all places. Then that Rolling Loud concert kicked things into high gear because them same Sosua mongers that started to ruin Cartagena went over there and messed everything up. Everytime someone brings up getting a Zoom consultation in the travel group they get dunked on because his "girlfriend" is basically on a $125 a week retainer but he constantly promotes her being submissive doing all the housework and cooking, laundry, without him asking. I'm not even going to mention the outrageous prices he charges but as I've said before, the more people I interact with in these circles the more I'm finding it's gringos or military vets scamming and ripping off other gringos overseas to keep themselves afloat while over seas.

Same shit with Travelveristy, when anyone mentions his name to book a consultation they get dunked on too because his "girlfriend" still got that Monger in Asia porn video up.

Same with GameAbroad, stay getting dunked on.

The hot spots in Brazil is going to be to next to go thanks to that Paradise Sosua travel group.

[CkNice11]

Brothers, you are paying way too much. Negotiate harder.

Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.