Cartagena Reports

[Nypher]

So when you see that plane ticket is $800, you are not trying to wait to see if it drops to $700, because your time is more valuable than $100? Or is it just when it comes to pussy that your time is more valuable than $100?

You have me dying right now LOL.

My boy is crying right now cause his return ticket alone is $700 at Blue Basic. When I told him to get it back in January when I did, I got round trip Blue Extra for a little under $500. He wanted to wait for that price drop lmfao.

[Elvis 2008]

I just said the other day how my buddy here in Thailand did not listen and paid the chick $110 because he had to have her. According to you I was hating when I told him that was way too much. She wanted to come back the next day but he wised up and now only wanted to give her half of that but she refused because he had already fucked it up for himself. The day after that she hit him up begging to take the half he was offering. Then he tried to go even lower to what I told him to pay in the first place. I was like man don't play games with the chick. You should have stuck with the price I was telling you from the jump instead of paying 3 times more. But when he first got here he was so excited and horny and that money was burning such a hole in his pocket, that what I said went in one ear and out the other (or maybe he thought I was hating!) Later on, he realized that what I told him was gospel and he did fuck around and overpay when she hit him up begging for the lesser amount.

Yeah, and that story also showed you are a hypocrite. You have preached pussy is pussy and then in that story, you said that the white Chinese looking women in Thailand go for more. By doing so, you admitted that the market price IS set by looks. So when you guys go off on guys "overpaying", you have no clue as to whether they are or are if you have no clue what they look like.

And you have no idea what the pussy is even like based on a photo. Is it smelly and loose or tight and smells and tastes great? You do not know. And then there is the rest of the woman. Is she good at IOP? Does she hang out with you when you are done? Does she show kindness when you are with her? Is she appreciative of what you give her or is she angling to get more and more? Does she make you feel special?

Believe it or not, I am not totally dissing you Mr. E. I know you could give a course on getting guys to pay less, but you are fooling yourself into thinking you always know if someone is overpaying. If there are places where there are hot and cheap women, and it is easy to get to, you should assume it it not going to last. The demand for said women is eventually going to push up the price.

You know that if you want Colombian rates, you go to places where there are mostly Colombians, and that is not Cartagena or Medellin.

[Nypher]

One of the other things these guys do not get is the really hot women have options. I had a breakup with an ex-fiance who had one of the nicest bodies you will ever see. Six pack abs. Crazy strong thighs and worked out like a fiend. After we broke up, she made damned sure she showed me all the American guys pursuing her. Marrying one of them would have not been a problem for her.

The top guys want filet mignon and the guys eating hamburger here, and it is obvious who they are, gripe nonstop about the price of hamburger going up. They claim pussy is pussy and therefore beef is beef. As I have asked so many times, why don't they object to the prices on anything else? Why aren't you making fun of the guys eating filet mignon or staying in the expensive hotels?

You're observing what I'm observing, and it's going to be funny when people go against what you say only then later to repeat what was said and act like it's new information similar to the ones who were defending Sousa 2 years ago are now making videos of how bad it is because all the girls are overweight walking around with yoga pants and bonnets on their heads LOL.

The more people talk the more they tell on themselves and expose the exact type of chicas they are going for and they believe the good looking chicas with options are the same price as the ones down on their luck and desperate.

I've reported about similar previously on this forum and was called a liar or a conspiracy theorist only to then months or a year later others speak up about seeing exactly what I reported or they were doing what I reported.

The amount of time chicas I approached got their WhatsApp or Instagram, and through back and forth texting told me 800 K for the night and I told them no and moved on to the next one, only to see them a week or 2 weeks later posting pictures of statuses in Tulum, Cancun, Mexico City, Ecuador, Brazil, Punta Cana, Italy, Morocco, Croatia, Paris, Spain, etc, and the funny thing is right now as I'm typing this, these same exact girls are now in NYC, Chicago, Philly, DC, NJ, Houston, Miami and posting pictures of them being there.

People really think the chicas with the passports and no obligations such as salary job, kids, or school will willingly market themselves to locals and accept bare minimum when they can go to Centro and get 1 or 2 guys and walk home with a whole months salary in 1 night or 1 day or if they hit it good they get flown out of Colombia for a whole week and best believe they are getting paid very well for that week. I'm not even going to touch on the ones who have sugar daddies giving them allowances or having them stay in apartments in Bocagrande. I tell people that if they see a chica with a Pro MAX iPhone, then high probability she's going to be expensive but they ignore what I say and go for the possibility of her being cheap.

Everyone just need to work within their budget and enjoy their time. If the expensive chica is too much then walk away until she desperate but by then how much time was wasted waiting for that chica to become desperate LOL.

[Elvis 2008]

All those musings about prices although sensible don't pass a bar in real life. What do you say to all few Colombians who pay millions to girls over the weekend? Take a closer look in the mirror and ask 'How much would I charge to fuck him?' The same applies to all subpar girls that show up for sex work. And then a rare dolled up beauty at the right hour with all her overhead demands a higher rate and exploits competition. Now it takes me just seconds to approach her and make a reasonable offer. I have never regretted paying a premium. I have regretted not paying it and missing a chance.

Exactly. And the whole notion that guys are going to hold out on paying a woman you are DTF because of the guys on ISG is laughable. If you want to pay Colombian prices, go to places where there are few to no tourists. That is not Cartagena.

[Mr Enternational]

Sex workers will make a lot more than an average working salary. That's how it's always been. Even at third world rates they can make 2-300 k a night dancing at a strip club that comes to 7-8 million a month.

Can and do are two different things. You would see them living in new condos and driving Mercedes, instead of telling the trick he has to pay her taxi too, if they were making that much money.

[Gabacho]

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[PerkinWarbeck]

Sex workers in all countries including the US are capable of making the average monthly salary on one night. I know strippers pulling in 5-6 k in one shift in NyC. Not even Vegas. Girls charging 1 k an hour getting 3-4 clients.

That's why I never understood this comparison. Sex workers will make a lot more than an average working salary. That's how it's always been. Even at third world rates they can make 2-300 k a night dancing at a strip club that comes to 7-8 million a month.

Colombia is not the United States with higher levels of disposable income. Comparing the two doesn't make sense.

These girls earn roughly the minimum wage, especially in Cartagena. I apologize to folks reading this if I sound like a broken clock, but there are not enough men who will pay 400 k pesos for sex in Cartagena for that to be the going rate.

The going rate is 150 k. Actually, if you know locals, it's closer to 100 k depending on time of the month. There aren't enough men in Cartagena who can afford to pay the girls even that much consistently. So the muchachas you see in Centro will have maybe two clients a week for 300 k or so. They might discount further if they need food for their family or if they aren't making rent.

[DJHeywood]

Fresh back. CTG is done. All the beauties that came from all over have disappeared. Whats left are a bunch of 4th stringers roaming the alleys and streets of Centro. Hollywood beach, average talent. Androgeno, will never go there again. Men outnumbered the 4th stringers 10 to 1 easy. The rapper crowd in Androgeno just not for me and I'm the same ethnicity as most of the folks in there. With Space, Dolce and Delirium closing, alot of the talent has gone elsewhere. Until the clubs open back up, I won't be back. Thos clubs attracted the real talent from all over Colombia from my perspective. The best babe I had concurred and was going to Mexico and other places until things go back to what was normal.

Thanks for the warning, sounds like the people & areas I try to avoid at home in ATL. My first time to Delirium a small time youtuber Preem Pab the most typical of Pookies was being obnoxious in rhe club and the street. Closed my tab and went to Dolce, girls were way better (literally 30 8's, 9's, a couple 10's thru the night) and while the customers were diverse every one knew how to act.

I've noticed the Cartagena walk thru have started to drop on YouTube a little and they are starting to re-upload more vids since the talent has gone far. Unless you've got established girls, CTG isn't worth it if you wanted convenient, safer, high volume centralized girls.

[Orgasmico]

Fresh back. CTG is done. All the beauties that came from all over have disappeared. Whats left are a bunch of 4th stringers roaming the alleys and streets of Centro. Hollywood beach, average talent. Androgeno, will never go there again. Men outnumbered the 4th stringers 10 to 1 easy. The rapper crowd in Androgeno just not for me and I'm the same ethnicity as most of the folks in there. With Space, Dolce and Delirium closing, alot of the talent has gone elsewhere. Until the clubs open back up, I won't be back. Thos clubs attracted the real talent from all over Colombia from my perspective. The best babe I had concurred and was going to Mexico and other places until things go back to what was normal.

Some are saying the Youtubers and Passport Bros. Have been the nail in the coffin in places like Cartagena and Sosua. Nothing lasts forever. The key is to be ahead of the curve.

[JayWonEm]

Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is.

It may sound absolutely insane, and maybe it is, but it is not much more insane than in the US. Or probably most places. The US equivalent would be a girl charging $6-700 compared to a guy making $40 K per year. There are actually lots of girls who are charging that, and they aren't working for $2-300 because of what a restaurant manager makes. Shockingly, there are guys on the domestic boards who complain about the guys paying those prices and how they are ruining it for everyone else, there are girls who complain about hagglers and cheapskates, and there are guys paying their rates who don't give a fuck what any other guys think. I won't say the comparison is the same, but it isn't out of the ballpark.

As far as anyone "ruining things" for anyone else. I'm not buying it. They may be "ruined" in some people's opinion, but if I can pay $100/ HR for a date with a hot girl who isn't a clockwatcher and who would go for $500/ HR at home, that isn't ruined. If you have a secret spot in the world where there are plentiful young, beautiful women who love to fuck for almost no money, enjoy it. Eventually other people will find it and prices will go up. Even if everyone who learned about it went there with your shrewd negotiating skills and refused to compromise, supply and demand means either prices would go up or there would be a shortage. It's globalization and there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it except make our own decisions based on our own criteria.

[MongerHunger]

Same shit with Travelveristy, when anyone mentions his name to book a consultation they get dunked on too because his "girlfriend" still got that Monger in Asia porn video up.

Do you remember the title of that video or the link?

[Mr Enternational]

But here's the thing. I love how the haters say you're ruining it for the rest of us or I'm overpaying.

Where is the post that guys say this? There is not one. We say you are fucking it up for other guys coming after you, not for ourselves. We already know the deal and how to navigate and are trying to put others on game. You are not fucking it up for us.

I just said the other day how my buddy here in Thailand did not listen and paid the chick $110 because he had to have her. According to you I was hating when I told him that was way too much. She wanted to come back the next day but he wised up and now only wanted to give her half of that but she refused because he had already fucked it up for himself. The day after that she hit him up begging to take the half he was offering. Then he tried to go even lower to what I told him to pay in the first place. I was like man don't play games with the chick. You should have stuck with the price I was telling you from the jump instead of paying 3 times more. But when he first got here he was so excited and horny and that money was burning such a hole in his pocket, that what I said went in one ear and out the other (or maybe he thought I was hating!) Later on, he realized that what I told him was gospel and he did fuck around and overpay when she hit him up begging for the lesser amount.

Guys like me are good and are not going to be hurt. Hell I am in the bed with a free chick right now. When me and my boy are out walking around and a chick tries to tell him a higher price, I speak up and they put their hand over my mouth because I know too much and am trying to teach him not to fall for it. But for some reason you label trying to teach my boy the real deal being a hater.

My time is more valuable than a 100 usd. I'the rather get what I want when I want. I don't care if I pay more than the next guy or less than the next guy.

So when you see that plane ticket is $800, you are not trying to wait to see if it drops to $700, because your time is more valuable than $100? Or is it just when it comes to pussy that your time is more valuable than $100?

[Gabacho]

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[Questner]

There is also a classic piece of verse that sums it up, in a way:

When I was young and had no sense.

In far-off Mandalay.

I lost my heart to a Burmese girl.

As lovely as the day.

Her skin was gold, her hair was jet.

Her teeth were ivory;.

I said, 'for twenty silver pieces.

Maiden, sleep with me'.

She looked at me, so pure, so sad.

The loveliest thing alive.

And in her lisping, virgin voice.

Stood out for twenty-five.

George Orwell.

[Questner]

All those musings about prices although sensible don't pass a bar in real life. What do you say to all few Colombians who pay millions to girls over the weekend? Take a closer look in the mirror and ask 'How much would I charge to fuck him?' The same applies to all subpar girls that show up for sex work. And then a rare dolled up beauty at the right hour with all her overhead demands a higher rate and exploits competition. Now it takes me just seconds to approach her and make a reasonable offer. I have never regretted paying a premium. I have regretted not paying it and missing a chance.