Cartagena Reports

[KyngK]

No problem, Any information you need just tell me here, no PM is needed for that.

Will be in Cartagena the dates of Sept. 1st -6th, would love to link up, grab drinks, & check out some of the hot spots!

[Mr Enternational]

Regarding Mr E, and your last sentence, at the best of times, I have a problem taking advice from anyone whose posts consists of misogyny, cynicism and pessimism. He may possibly be right, but

Man you are funny. And it seems you have not really read anything I have said, at leasr not read it for understanding. So damn the content of what someone says. If you do not like how they said it then you are willing to discard the information to your own detriment.

So with nobody else apparently having even tried it, and others suggesting that it can be done, why should I listen to Mr E.

Shows exactly that you did not read because I said that I am not saying it is not possible or probably, which means it is possible and probable. So I did suggest it could be done.

But let's be honest on my part, and admit to a degree of hypocrisy on the issue of paying pimps. I do and have paid barfines in SEA. I justify this exception on the grounds that if I take a girl from a bar and something goes wrong, I do have limited rights of redress

So you have no problem with the pimps if they can assure things will work out in your favor?

That just leaves the issue of stupidity. My take on that is these girls are self-employed, they have a limited shelf-life, and looking at the Clock Tower, there definitely looks like over-supply to demand issue. I also read that prices fall the nearer you get to curfew time. My suspicion is that most of them are there, not because they want to be, but because they need to be, and my guess is that more will go home empty-handed than with a client most nights. Now factor in how many of those girls will earn COP 7 million in the next 28 days. Yet I am led to believe, that most girls have the attitude, "I won't accept this offer because the Clock Tower, (with all it's drawbacks: my thought) will still be there tomorrow". That strikes me as stupid.

I never said the chicks are stupid. I said they are uneducated. Here you are saying they are stupid if they do this. So who is really the misogynist here? I made no judgment about the people. All I did was tell you how the culture works. But it seems to be beyond you that people would do this simply because you would not do this.

Just like if I said people in Thailand eat roaches. Because you would not eat roaches you assume that they would not as well. Then you ascribe that I am talking down on them because I merely relayed a piece of information. Then you go on to say it is stupid to eat roaches. But you not being able to see yourself doing it and considering it stupid, does not negate the fact that they actually do it.

But then looking at Mr E's comment, he does in fact concede that I might be able to get Venezuelan's to fit the bill.

I never said which nationality would or would not do something. You were fixated on Colombians. I was just notifying you that with the route you are taking that you would. Encounter more Venezuelans than Colombians. I do get it. You assume that because you are going to Colombia, then all the chicks or the majoity of them would be Colombian. But it is just like if you go to Boca Chica or Sosua in the Domimican Republic. The majority of the hookers out and about are going to be Haitian and not Dominican as one would assume.

Regardless, your points are noted and my reply to you is more governed by the contradictions that your post makes in respect of Mr E's posts, than any unwillingness to listen to your input.

LOL. I think you read his post wrong as well!

[Dublin12]

Gone are the days where a monger can pop a Mombo36 and smash a chica out for hours on end because she knows no leche = no money. So they are leaning toward the monger gets 1 leche or 1 hour, which ever comes first.

You may need proof of concept. If you want to see how many chicas operate in Latin America, download Tinder, purchase the Plus features for the extra $10 or your countries equivalent. Set your location to Cartagena, then start talking to the girls with your initial offer of 250 K a day sex included or 7 million for 28 days sex included. You will quickly find many chicas won't even reply back.

I've never tried Tinder and admit that I am not a fan of the concept. But if locals are using it because they are only in interested in ST, why would I want to?

[Dublin12]

I am not sure what you are referring to so I am guessing. This is what he said.

That is why I said SA may be a better option because you have a better chance to find someone not conditioned that way. I don't know what is your definition of pimp. As far as I know, SA doesn't take money from the girl, and doesn't control them like many pimps do. By extension, I will say when someone you meet online introduces a girl to you, and only thru him, that person is a pimp and I guess you will refuse too.

For 28 days, don't forget to negotiate her downtime due to her period.

It does not mean they are stupid when they don't think the way you do. Turn the table around, say you were Mr E, and the women were given advise. You see where this is going?

Sometimes, the best advice is the hardest to listen to.

Regarding Mr E, and your last sentence, at the best of times, I have a problem taking advice from anyone whose posts consists of misogyny, cynicism and pessimism. He may possibly be right, but the general consensus seems to be "It can be done, but it's not something I would even consider". That's fair enough, but I have to adapt my game to my circumstances, and my previous experience of what works best for me. So with nobody else apparently having even tried it, and others suggesting that it can be done, why should I listen to Mr E.

As far SA is concerned, what is happening on that site is undoubtedly P4 P and he is clearly acting as an intermediary. So what is the difference between an intermediary who takes the money from the customer in advance, and one who takes it from the woman after the event?

But let's be honest on my part, and admit to a degree of hypocrisy on the issue of paying pimps. I do and have paid barfines in SEA. I justify this exception on the grounds that if I take a girl from a bar and something goes wrong, I do have limited rights of redress, because most bars realise that if you have a good customer, it is not good for business for the girls to screw them over. It's my practice to pay the girl as soon as she enters my room. On one occasion, the girl vanished while I was in the shower. I went back to her bar, and she wasn't there. Told the manager what had occurred. She said she'd speak with the girl. The following day, I went back to the bar and was reimbursed for the 2 K, but not the barfine. They had taken the money from her monthly salary that she was due. It's a rare event in TH in particular for a girl to do that, but I have known of a couple of incidents where bars have helped customers recover stolen property from errant bargirls.

Turning to the issue of "downtime", I am pretty sure that I would not have to make a deduction for that, as I am confident that the girls are aware of more than one way of producing a happy ending.

That just leaves the issue of stupidity. My take on that is these girls are self-employed, they have a limited shelf-life, and looking at the Clock Tower, there definitely looks like over-supply to demand issue. I also read that prices fall the nearer you get to curfew time. My suspicion is that most of them are there, not because they want to be, but because they need to be, and my guess is that more will go home empty-handed than with a client most nights. Now factor in how many of those girls will earn COP 7 million in the next 28 days. Yet I am led to believe, that most girls have the attitude, "I won't accept this offer because the Clock Tower, (with all it's drawbacks: my thought) will still be there tomorrow". That strikes me as stupid.

But then looking at Mr E's comment, he does in fact concede that I might be able to get Venezuelan's to fit the bill. Clearly, I know nothing about the differences in Colombian and VZ girls, but would that be such a bad thing? I've seen reports of VZ girls on this site, and I have yet to see anyone say that they generally underperform compared to the local vintage. And as I mentioned in my Cucuta idea, VZ girls do have the advantage of being unlikely to have local attachments necessitating their absences for long periods.

Regardless, your points are noted and my reply to you is more governed by the contradictions that your post makes in respect of Mr E's posts, than any unwillingness to listen to your input.

[Mr Enternational]

My girlfriend and her sister got robbed the shit out of the other day. She lives in Valledupar where the population is 490,000, so it is smaller than Cartagena's 900,000. I told her that I would not think mfs are committing crimes like that in small ass cities. She said it is sad to say, but it can and does happen everywhere.

En todos lados roban es lamentable decirlo pero es asi y valledupar es la ciudad donde vivi no es la excepcion amor.

Y bueno estabamos en una tienda comprando unas cosas con mi hermana y en ese momento llegaron a robar. Ya colocamos la denuncia tambien hay un video gracias a Dios habian camaras cerca todo es cuention ahora de las autoridades amor.

And no she did not ask me to buy her a new phone like chicks do these simps:

Me toca comprar un nuevo telefono y listo. Apenas pueda comprarlo te dare mi nuevo numero mi amor esta bien.

[Kc Talent]

As a local I can tell you that Medellin or Bogota are much more dangerous than Cartagena, Cartagena is a fairly small city compared to the two previous ones, and being a tourist city recognized worldwide as you say, security is very much taken care of in the areas more frequented by tourists, it is very rare to see a robbery in the walled city, maybe in the most remote areas the situation is different and if it is true that there is insecurity, but in places like Bocagrande or Laguito or on the beaches it is very rare to see a robbery.

I have no fears of being robbed, Living in the USA and the DR I have a little more fear of robbery or carjacking so while traveling I do it smart, little to no drinking outside my apartment keep my distance and don't allow people to get up in your space and don't be overly flashy with jewelry and play attention, if you see the same faces show up in locations you was at prior, its highly likely you are being followed. Nothing new just the same rules as we have all followed for years. Yes last guy said that's what he thought too and your hired but mine is real and I will hire you for what I need and will PM you now and will wait your reply.

[ElPapi]

New decree: Curfew changes and new sectors are opened in Cartagena.

- The curfew will be in force from 2:00 am Until 5:00 am Of everyday. The measure had been running until midnight.

- During the validity of the new decree, public or private events are allowed, which includes concerts, massive sporting events, and dance venues, with a maximum capacity of 50% of the capacity of the infrastructure where the event takes place. The event, guaranteeing physical distancing of at least 1 meter.

- The entrance to the authorized beaches will continue at 8:00 am Until 6:00 pm.

The mandatory use of face masks is ordered in public spaces and commercial establishments where social distancing must be guaranteed.

Thank you bro for the latest update. See you soon.

[Nypher]

Apparently the problem is the implied stupidity of Colombian women. I have no problem dealing with uneducated women. In all the hotspots for mongering. These are common, and it's rarely the girls fault. But I can't deal with stupidity and it seems that all I'm likely to find In Cartagena. It likely that these women would rather go to the clock tower every night where supply obviously outstrips demand, than accept a deal for COP 7 million. Apparently working girls are different and have no interest in repeat business. Then again I've read more than a few posts of girls not getting a customer and then going through their phone list to see which former client might be in need of company when the Clock Tower washes out for them.

Gone are the days where a monger can pop a Mombo36 and smash a chica out for hours on end because she knows no leche = no money. So they are leaning toward the monger gets 1 leche or 1 hour, which ever comes first.

You may need proof of concept. If you want to see how many chicas operate in Latin America, download Tinder, purchase the Plus features for the extra $10 or your countries equivalent. Set your location to Cartagena, then start talking to the girls with your initial offer of 250 K a day sex included or 7 million for 28 days sex included. You will quickly find many chicas won't even reply back.

[Nypher]

. Going to try anal this trip. Anyone know how to ask for that.

After traveling with some people that is into some far out fetish stuff, that question can be perceived differently.

I don't know if you are the type of monger who wants the chica to strap on a dildo and put it up your ass, or you are trying to put it up her ass but the approach to ask the question is straight forward. The same way a monger confirms the chica will do BBBJ is the same way to confirm if she does anal, just ask. It will be an extra cost though.

[Nounce]

The real issue for me is that Mr Knows Everything, says it can't be done.

I am not sure what you are referring to so I am guessing. This is what he said.

I do not think chicks will not be satisfied with your offer on paper. What I think is that you will have a difficult time finding someone to accept your offer. There is a different breed out there now. Chicks just want to get the money and be out. They are not trying to stick around for days on end like their predecessors were. These are ADD hookers.

That is why I said SA may be a better option because you have a better chance to find someone not conditioned that way. I don't know what is your definition of pimp. As far as I know, SA doesn't take money from the girl, and doesn't control them like many pimps do. By extension, I will say when someone you meet online introduces a girl to you, and only thru him, that person is a pimp and I guess you will refuse too.

For 28 days, don't forget to negotiate her downtime due to her period.

Apparently the problem is the implied stupidity of Colombian women.

It does not mean they are stupid when they don't think the way you do. Turn the table around, say you were Mr E, and the women were given advise. You see where this is going?

Sometimes, the best advice is the hardest to listen to.

[Mr Enternational]

What I have in common with these girls is that I have spent most of my life in self-employment, If anybody has been in a similar position, they will tell you that as SE, you are at work most of your day even after you have gone home thinking. "What do I have to do to increase earnings and opportunities etc. But this does not seem to apply to Colombian Hookers.

Thing is that you keep forgetting about culture. You should understand that better than anyone. Business is not done the same way in Latin America as it is done where you are from. In Latin America, if you want to increase earnings, instead of trying to gain more customers (opportunities) you simply raise prices on the customers that you already have.

Also most hookers you come across these days in the areas that you are talking about looking are going to be Venezuelan and not Colombian. I am not saying it will be either impossible or improbable to find what you are looking for. I am just saying that the game has changed all over Latin America of finding a GFE that will stay with you forever on end until you have to kick her out. These chicks are looking for the quick money and on to find the next one. They are not thinking a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, as is said in our culture. They are thinking fuck this bird, I am heading back to the bush.

[Dublin12]

Yeah, I figured I would read about this again having been to Colombia and now being skeptical of what went on in the American media: what I heard went on and what actually did are two different things. I thought that the police filed a complaint against a Secret Service officer and demanded that he pay up. When the SS agent did not pay, the hooker filed charges and the police contacted the American Embassy to complain. That is not what happened. After having been to Colombia, I was very skeptical the hotel and the police would side with a hooker over well to do cash rich Americans. I also did not know how much she asked for, and it was $800 for the night which we all know is fucking insane.

Here is a good account of what happened and is much more in line with what I have observed in Colombia:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/0...ne-year-later/

But on their way back to the hotel, Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'd have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price$800Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarezwho later wrote a book about her night with the agentclaimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

Huntington gave Suarez the equivalent of about $30 in local currency and demanded she get out. "Let's go, *****. I'm not going to pay you," he said, according to Suarez, and shoved her out the door.

Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friendwho didn't ask to be paidhad spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the moneyabout a third of what she claimed she was owedSuarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitutionwhich the hotel is accustomed to managingbut with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

The dogs' mess could be blamed on the Secret Service and military K-9 teams. The impromptu pool party was staged by a group of military service members, also staying at the hotel, who had trucked in their own alcohol, according to a source on the ground that night.

As the hotel was taking stock of the damages, the head of security for the Caribe called the US Embassy to report that a Colombian police officer had intervened in an altercation between a Secret Service agent, Bongino, and a local prostitute, Suarez.

End of quote.

It is funny how our fucking press got a hold of this and turned it into a woman who performed and got stiffed when the truth is that she was trying to rip this guy off.

And the notion of federal employees doing whatever the fuck they want and raising a commotion pissing off all the other guests is something I could certainly believe.

But the notion that the police were stumping for a working girl charging $800 a night is fucking crazy. The other crazy notion is that a hotel would back a hooker over a paying customer.

After reading this article though, this fits what I have seen in Colombia. I just shake my head at the way this story was reported in our media. It fucking cracks me up.

I tend to be wary about all stories of sex-tourism caught in compromising situations. I recall seeing a story from Phils on another forum which immediately got my fake news radar twitching.

It concerned one of the frequent clean-up raids (extortions" that the Phils Police indulge in to enhance their reputation as "The best cops that money can buy" when they were raiding an unnamed bar in Angeles. The story was that they had caught an unnamed German tourist with a 13 yr old girl who was employed in the bar, in a "compromising situation" and had arrested him as well as several members of the bar staff. I read the media reports in several local papers that were online, and they were identical down to the last comma. Obviously, they had all been copied from the Police press release and not one of them voiced any concerns over the lack of identification of the suspect.

If you know anything about local journalism, you will know that one income stream is raised through selling the stories to other publications. This is a story that would easily sell in Germany. I looked on the German Media with a Google search, and couldn't find the story anywhere. How difficult would it have been for a local journo to slip a local cop a few pisos to get the name, age and origins of this man?

A couple of days later, in a follow up, I read that the man had been fined and allowed to continue his holiday in Phils, while he still remained unidentified. Of course that's what you do when you discover a foreign nonce molesting a 13 yr old girl! Isn't It?

A few weeks later, I saw an announcement about increased funding for the ICE squad attached to the Manila Embassy. Amongst the achievements claimed to merit this, was that they provided the tip off in this case. Hmmm?

And mention of ICE reminds me of another story concerning a BBC doc, "Stacey Dooley: Saving the Cybersex Girls". Much of which was filmed in Phils, and was about under-age girls performing online for pervs. About three quarters in, there is a scene, where ICE and local cops combine to take a down a local nonce, who is about to livestream his exploits with three girls aged 8,10 and 12. The police have accessed the video link and are sitting in a police station some distance from where this is happening. Incredibly, there are no cops in the immediate area and the police are waiting for the abuse to start, before they get into their cars to drive to the scene of the crime where the nonce is arrested. Once he is in handcuffs, Dooley tears into him about his actions. And I am thinking to myself, "You speak up for these children now? Why weren't you tearing into the police and ICE for allowing the kids to be molested in the first place"? As far as ICE and the Phils cops were concerned. I wondered if they would have been so willing to let their own children be used as bait, as they were to use these three kids.

This was about a year or so after the BBC were heavily criticised for the role in not bringing Jimmy Saville, one of their big name performers who had a 40 year history of molesting children, the mentally ill and handicapped, to account. I complained to the BBC about Dooley, but they rejected my complaint and could find no fault in her not questioning the actions of LE. Dooley's product invariably ends up on Youtube including this. A few days after they rejected my complaint, that vid was removed but I am not aware of her other vids being removed. I wonder why?

For those of you who don't know the name, it would not be unfair to describe her as a female version of PIers Morgan in that she always go for the sensational and resorts to bullying those who can't hit back.

Yet another doc of hers, "Stacey Dooley investigates sex trafficking", where this time the scene was Cambodia. She is "working" with the local cops, whose corruption far outstrips that of the Phils with many of them owning brothels. She gets invited to join the Cam police on a raid on a brothel where there are supposed to be children working. They get to within a couple of hundred yards of the building. Out come the binoculars and they spend a couple of minutes observing the place. A message comes across the radio in Khmer, which was that there was nobody in the house. The local police chief says, "Someone must have tipped them off". Does Dooley ask the cop why, how or who did this? The Cam police have a habit of confiscating footage that might be embarrassing to them what do you think Dooley might have said?

Again, if you have a little knowledge of these matters, you will probably know that when Doc makers go abroad, they hire a local "fixer" to deal with makers lack of local knowledge, and he arranges most things such as transport, interpreters, tracking down locals for interviews etc. I am just thinking in view of the esteem that the local cops are held in, that when Dooley told the fixer that she was going on a raid on a brothel with the local chief of police, did they have to give him the rest of the day off as he fell about laughing uncontrollably.

But regarding media sex scandals, there usually is some sort of story there. But so often, as in the cases I've just mentioned, the more interesting story is the questions that should be asked, but weren't.

[Dublin12]

I think it would be better if you negotiate with a girl here in Cartagena, I don't see any point in bringing a girl from Cucuta, when there are many to choose from here, I can help you with that, so you don't worry about being robbed or something like that, just send me a PM.

Thanks for that, but being robbed was not a paramount concern. The real issue for me is that Mr Knows Everything, says it can't be done. Not that I believe him, especially when you and others seem to think that apart from Cucuta, it is doable. I am not even sure most are saying that Cucuta can't be done, but more along the lines, "It's not something I would do if I were you".

Apparently the problem is the implied stupidity of Colombian women. I have no problem dealing with uneducated women. In all the hotspots for mongering. These are common, and it's rarely the girls fault. But I can't deal with stupidity and it seems that all I'm likely to find In Cartagena. It likely that these women would rather go to the clock tower every night where supply obviously outstrips demand, than accept a deal for COP 7 million. Apparently working girls are different and have no interest in repeat business. Then again I've read more than a few posts of girls not getting a customer and then going through their phone list to see which former client might be in need of company when the Clock Tower washes out for them.

I'm not sure I believe that. What I have in common with these girls is that I have spent most of my life in self-employment, If anybody has been in a similar position, they will tell you that as SE, you are at work most of your day even after you have gone home thinking. "What do I have to do to increase earnings and opportunities etc. But this does not seem to apply to Colombian Hookers.

BTW, just to explain, the appeal of Cucuta is that if did do a deal down there and imported her to Cartagena, I would not have the problem of her being gone for long stretches while she "went to work" for the day, or went home to "take care of the family". That's the appeal of Pattaya. Most of the girls have come hundreds of miles from Isaan, so those excuses don't really wash.

[SouthernOcean]

Locked in for the last week of September. Would be nice to meet some folks who monger there and have a selection. I do love it there. And yes it is a world class historical site, aside from having beautiful women.

Never had any problems there and never lacked for a good selection. 300 cop for the hour is the most I have ever paid and that was a 9. I have no problem paying the young women to fuck an old man like me. I may negotiate a little but while 300 may seem high, I am good with it. I don't think one guy paying a little too much is going to hurt the market. Plus if you want those memories that seem to good to be true you have to pay. But if anyone knows a drop dead beautiful woman who takes less, I am interested. Looking forward to the trip and maybe meeting Tony or Fireman for some hand selected beauties. Going to try anal this trip. Anyone know how to ask for that.

[SouthernOcean]

Does the Dann charge for extra guests beyond the first one?

I stayed there a couple of times to enjoy the beach. So one woman per stay. They do check here credentials so I am not sure if they would charge for the second one or not.