Cartagena Reports

[Mr Enternational]

I don't get your "diminishing returns". Apart from my time. What is diminishing?

Your fun and satisfacation with the girl. She can't guarantee that even if she tries. And try to put her out when she has already spent that 28 days pay in her head and you are liable to have problems.

Not sure what your source is, but I got the average wage from google.

My source is asking Colombians that I know in Colombia.

[Elvis 2008]

Thanks for your reply.

I don't get your "diminishing returns". Apart from my time. What is diminishing?

What he means is: the more you give a girl, the less she appreciates it.

There is nothing wrong with finding someone you like and hanging with her, however if you are paying her anything cash wise, you have to remember she is a working girl. Period. She may be a nice working girl, a great lay in bed, but she is a working girl. Any notion that she likes you for anything but money then is a mistake.

I keep saying this but there are Colombian women who want to hang out with American guys and not for just cash.

My current GF has gotten more from me than any other girl yet I have not given her dime for sex or just to hang out with me. See if you can find a woman who will fuck you for no payment. Then you have a keeper.

It is fine to hang with a working girl for cash but just make sure in your head that is what you have. If she expects money, she is with you for that and not for you. It is easy to get that confused, and the women are really good at keeping you confused on this subject, but you should remind yourself always of what she is and what you are.

What amazes me is American men are so comfortable being johns they miss out on so much free pussy. It is there in abundance if you think that you are worthy of it.

[Dublin12]

I understand that. The price is to provide a perspective compared to TH. I did not use the lower price for comparison. Cartagena is expensive compared to other cities. Since you mention Soi 6, then I can tell you the price is even lower on the low end in Colombia. Local beer can be as low as 35 THB, sex on site is 600 TBH or less in a bar. Street girl is even cheaper. Someone reported fucking 6 girls for about 1700 TBH just this week over in Medellin thread. I did the money conversion, hope I did them correctly.

My guess is you will be bored either way if you don't speak Spanish. Try not think the girls will think the way you do. That does not work.

Thanks again. Your last sentence definitely is worth considering. All I can say about boredom, is that in the days before translation apps, I did several stints including 10+days with girls who spoke no English, and they seemed to know what was required of them, hence the length of the stay.

But I find it interesting that there is a total lack of consensus from all the people who have taken the trouble to reply. I'd guess that is because most people have the difficulty in thinking about limiting their choices so drastically as I am prepared to. Do. On the face of it, it may not make sense to them, but I know my limitations and past experiences.

I note that there has not been much comment on the Cucuta option, but the more I think of it, the more inclined I am to consider it not among my greatest ideas.

[Nypher]

At 1:31 he introduces Tony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOr_tDC6_3U&t=438s

At 2:30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGd8sxqmsa4&t=151s

Advosory: This is not an endorsement of Tony's services- this is becuase someone asked. I reccommned that if you use Tony's services, do so ony after after educating yourself to the costs.

Thanks for pointing out the real Tony. I know who to look for now to get chairs.

[Dublin12]

Because of diminishing returns.

You seem to assume the girls are willing to stay longer.

Except the average wage is $200, so that is 9X the average.

Yep. I live in Thailand. I pay chicks $30/day; which would be 1,000 baht or 117,000 pesos. He meant for 28 days you are giving a chick $65/day, plus feeding her, plus buying her all the little shit she wants you to buy her during that time. So it will turn out more towards 350K or $90 per day for your accounting purposes. $2500.

Thanks for your reply.

I don't get your "diminishing returns". Apart from my time. What is diminishing?

No assumption. This started out as a question. Are you saying it can't happen?

Not sure what your source is, but I got the average wage from google. https://www.google.com/search?q=average+wage+Colombia&rlz=1 C1 CHBF_enIE919 IE919&oq=average+wage+see&aqs=chrome. 1. 69 i57 j35 i39 j0 i512 l8. 7909 j0 j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 but if it's 9 x instead of 4 x, do you think, do you think they will be upset by that?

Yes. 1 k THB is not too difficult to find in TH. Regardless of your number crunching, what I am looking to do is not dissimilar to what I would do in TH.

[Nounce]

I presume you are talking ST in these clubs. But I don't want to be doing short times.

I understand that. The price is to provide a perspective compared to TH. I did not use the lower price for comparison. Cartagena is expensive compared to other cities. Since you mention Soi 6, then I can tell you the price is even lower on the low end in Colombia. Local beer can be as low as 35 THB, sex on site is 700 THB or less in a bar. Street girl is even cheaper. Someone reported fucking 6 girls for about 1700 THB just this week over in Medellin thread. I did the money conversion, hope I did them correctly.

My guess is you will be bored either way if you don't speak Spanish. Try not think the girls will think the way you do. That does not work.

And with Seeking Arrangement, the site owner is just a pimp in my eyes, and I would never knowingly pay a pimp.

I think SA may actually work out for you.

[Dublin12]

I personally think that your ratge of 250 k COP is fair compensation, considering that if you were doing a different chica TLN each night the minimum would be about 400 k a day and that is not even 24 hours. Not only that but in this type of long term thing it is just entirely up to you what you think is fair. Food and lodging cannot count toward her compensation because she would have those even if you were not there. Cash money is really all that counts toward comonesation and the gifts are just on you - this is the price you pay for exchanging BFE for GFE like you say. You might be able to find a lone chica that has wondered aross the border alone who has no children but I bet she has family in Venezuela and I bet she sends a lot of the money she makes to them.

My concern is that you may end up with dud. Years ago I hooked up with a semi-pro in Barranquilla and the first night was fantastic, shared a bottle of Don Julio and we had a blast. Then I decided to take her to Cartagena for a week. It was a lesson learned. I lived to regret that, she suddenly started getting head aches and was on the phone with her sister half the time and feeding me stories about the disasters that were going on there (that needed money to fix). I ended up putting her on a bus on the third day and I did not pay her the agreed rate and she was pissed but too bad. She was like Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde the way her personality changed once we got to Cartagena. So I would be concerned about making a commitment that I got stuck with.

Last thought I took a look and there actually some chicas on the website Seeking Arrangement that are listes as being in Cucuta so since you are seeking an arrangement... maybe you might try working that angle so you could talk to the chica before you even leave the country. The downsite is that there are only a few chicas there and the webiste is pricey

So you might think that the offer is not unreasonable? Just to take issue with you about food and accommodation, if I don't feed her, she has to pay for it herself. Of course she will probably be renting somewhere, but is it likely to be better than where I am renting? If not, then she enjoys a better standard of living, albeit temporary. Regarding her sending the cash to her family in VZ, why should that worry me? BKK and Pattaya is full of girls making remittances to families in Isaan. She earned it, She can spend it how she likes.

As far as ending up with a dud is concerned, the rules are simple. Her job is to keep me happy, and if she can't do that, then she has to go. I do expect some false starts along the way. And with Seeking Arrangement, the site owner is just a pimp in my eyes, and I would never knowingly pay a pimp.

[Dublin12]

Maybe a different girl each day but that is a large amount of money for 28 days for a single girl. Have you done 28 days before? TH is much more expensive, about double but depending on what you are comparing. Just to give you some perspective to compare TH prices, the most expensive club I have been to in Cartagena outside of old city is 300 K to have sex on site. Regular club is less than half of that. In Medellin, it can go to less than 100K.



How much will you spend after gift and food for the girl?

Thanks for the input. I presume you are talking ST in these clubs. But I don't want to be doing short times. I can manage once a day easily, and sometimes twice at a struggle, but what am I going to do with the rest of my time? I am more barfly than beach bum. So I wake up at say at 9. 00 amI don't speak the language and I'm going to spend most of the day waiting for the bars to open.

Regarding comparative costs, I know that Soi6 in Pattaya is all ST bars, and the going rate there is 1000 THB, and you will have to buy the lady at least one drink (150) and I presume a beer for yourself. That's about 150 k COP. Do the prices you mention include drinks? As far as additional costs are concerned, I am probably looking at about $750 in gifts. As for food, how expensive can it be? I certainly am not going to sit down in a resto, while she waits outside. I am going to be staying an at Airbnb, so she might even cook me the odd meal or two. I don't wish to seem arrogant, but money is not that great a problem for me. I am a "four week millionaire" instead of a two week millionaire, but unlike most of the latter, I have enough coming in, that I don't need to lead a frugal life for 50 weeks to have two weeks of hedonism.

I want to try to give all those who have kindly answered my post, an understanding that I know my limitations. I know what I am not going to enjoy, and that includes spending 4 weeks of daily visits to ST bar for one pop day. I still find myself confused by the responses to prices, but I presume that everyone answering has good experience of Colombia. That being the case, presume you are an unemployed chica who regularly visits the Clock Tower to make ends meet, and you don't have to get home every night. You are made an offer of 7 million for 4 weeks plus all expenses and a bit of shopping thrown in. Is that such a bad offer? But also, from what I've seen on YT vids where supply outstrips demand. How many girls are likely to earn that sort of money in that timeframe?

[Kafka]

Playa Hollywood all day! Near Tony but with Pedro. Too many cuties! Got a few numbers, another good day!

Hit centro at night, offered a smoking chica 300 k sexo con condom pero tu me chupas sin condom. She insisted on condom blow job so I passed. Ended up taking a cutie I had last trip for todo la noche. Good sex at night and the morning. Gave her 500 k. All good. Doing the same shit today!

Pedro is cool. But Tony is territorial as far as me, and his English is a little better.

Tony wears #19. Green Jersey Playa Hollywood.

I'll be there mid-September.

[Mr Enternational]

If I get in the groove, I want to stay in the groove. It might take me a few days to find someone who fits the bill, but once I do why gamble?

Because of diminishing returns.

If it's about "spoiling it for the rest of us", that hardly applies because from the responses I've seen so far, it appears nobody wants to keep a girl for longer than two or three days.

You seem to assume the girls are willing to stay longer.

Presuming that I find the right girl on day one, she will earn about $1800 for the 4 week period. That's about 4 X the average wage

Except the average wage is $200, so that is 9X the average.

I am not sure what you mean by, " 250 k a day and 100 k a day for gifts for a 28 GF shack up is ridiculous on many levels"? That's about the same price as I might expect to pay in TH. Am I overpaying?

Yep. I live in Thailand. I pay chicks $30/day; which would be 1,000 baht or 117,000 pesos. He meant for 28 days you are giving a chick $65/day, plus feeding her, plus buying her all the little shit she wants you to buy her during that time. So it will turn out more towards 350K or $90 per day for your accounting purposes. $2500.

[Mojo Bandit]

I am in the process of planning my maiden trip to Cartagena and Colombia, with plenty of prior experience in SEA.

The idea of a Venezuelan is appealing because you can be pretty sure that they will have no local family attachments, so 24/7 is possible. That's what I find so appealing about SEA with many girls not being local to the area where they work.

I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.

I personally think that your ratge of 250 k COP is fair compensation, considering that if you were doing a different chica TLN each night the minimum would be about 400 k a day and that is not even 24 hours. Not only that but in this type of long term thing it is just entirely up to you what you think is fair. Food and lodging cannot count toward her compensation because she would have those even if you were not there. Cash money is really all that counts toward comonesation and the gifts are just on you - this is the price you pay for exchanging BFE for GFE like you say. You might be able to find a lone chica that has wondered aross the border alone who has no children but I bet she has family in Venezuela and I bet she sends a lot of the money she makes to them.

My concern is that you may end up with dud. Years ago I hooked up with a semi-pro in Barranquilla and the first night was fantastic, shared a bottle of Don Julio and we had a blast. Then I decided to take her to Cartagena for a week. It was a lesson learned. I lived to regret that, she suddenly started getting head aches and was on the phone with her sister half the time and feeding me stories about the disasters that were going on there (that needed money to fix). I ended up putting her on a bus on the third day and I did not pay her the agreed rate and she was pissed but too bad. She was like Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde the way her personality changed once we got to Cartagena. So I would be concerned about making a commitment that I got stuck with.

Last thought I took a look and there actually some chicas on the website Seeking Arrangement that are listes as being in Cucuta so since you are seeking an arrangement... maybe you might try working that angle so you could talk to the chica before you even leave the country. The downsite is that there are only a few chicas there and the webiste is pricey

[Nypher]

Thanks Nypher,

Your infor is what I have been looking for on the form. Still a little confused if 300 USD is twice the amount for TLN what is the norm in COP as USD what 150 USD fair or too much for TLN? I have seen on the form a good price for TLN as stated at the clock as 250 COP as a bargain price before curfew and 300 to 400 at the clubs or 80 and 90 for ST don't know if USD or COP.

I rare if at all do ST nor ask price for ST but only TLN. I have been working in the DR 3 months out of each year but play else where like in Tijuana and Costa Rica (see Photo) and know cost very well. CTG play ground I have plan for next month and will be my 1st. I have RTFF but will also contact this Tony because I want to go to Hollywood beach and clubs Delirium, Space and Dulce and like him find me a few University young chica.

Again, thank you for your helpful information.

The prices depend on the monger.

If the monger lives in Colombia or he is a local he can get it for a lower price or even free if he plays the long game of taking her out. Knowing how to speak Spanish can help but if the monger don't know Colombian slang, she will just see the monger as a foreigner and will treat them as such.

Once the chica finds out the monger is only visiting then the prices change. A little "Que lo que" in Sosua goes a long way, the equivalent of that in Colombia I'm still trying to to learn.

Based on my daytime experience, if I get them around Playa Hollywood or El Laguito they can start at 150 K COP and top out at 300 K COP. 200 K COP is the reasonable amount. This is all ST. The 800 K COP price I've only experienced in Delirium, your experience may be different.

Based on my night time experience, if I get them from Centro, clock tower, Space, Dulce Vita or Delirium they start off at 300 K COP for ST and for TLN it can start from 500 K COP and top out at 800 K COP.

The mongers looks also matter when it comes to the price and service. If the monger have the appearance of a failed NFL line backer who looks like at any minute they can die from a combination of health problems the chica will tolerate the monger just for the money and run. If the monger does not have the appearance of a typical Playa Sosua monger who have to stack two of the beach chairs because a single chair will break under their weight the price and service will be decent JAJAJA!

To me, anything over 200 K COP for ST or 600 K COP for TLN is something I'm willing to walk away from. Keep in mind many of them will still ask for tip + taxi $$.

[Nounce]

I am not sure what you mean by, " 250 k a day and 100 k a day for gifts for a 28 GF shack up is ridiculous on many levels"? That's about the same price as I might expect to pay in TH. Am I overpaying?

Maybe a different girl each day but that is a large amount of money for 28 days for a single girl. Have you done 28 days before? TH is much more expensive, about double but depending on what you are comparing. Just to give you some perspective to compare TH prices, the most expensive club I have been to in Cartagena outside of old city is 300 K to have sex on site. Regular club is less than half of that. In Medellin, it can go to less than 100K.

she will earn about $1800 for the 4 week period

How much will you spend after gift and food for the girl?

[Dublin12]

I wish you the best of luck trying to get a chica for 250 k a day with sex included. With the amount of Americans going down there inflating the price it will be 300 k a day minimum with no sex included. Also don't take these girls from one region to another, you are asking for trouble. You can keep a girl for a few days, just make sure to send her ass home either every night or every morning over the course of those days. This is a new girl that you will just be meeting and you are there with no wingman, you do not want her to let her friends in while you are sleeping to tie you up and rob you. Desperation and poverty will cause people to do desperate things.

Thanks for the input, I am assuming from what The Tall Man says, that he appears to think that 250 K is too high. If so, your opinion leaves me confused. Presuming that I find the right girl on day one, she will earn about $1800 for the 4 week period. That's about 4 X the average wage and the security of knowing that she will not have go back to say, the clock tower tomorrow in the hope of finding her next customer. Others will know better than me, but is that so unattractive?

Regarding a "wingman", this will my 27th trip since 2006, and I've never needed a wingman yet. In fact the worst trip I ever had was when I linked up with someone I knew from DUB. He met a Laotian who was on holiday in Pattaya and she was a freebie for a few days. But rather than say "bye bye" to her he was hiding away from her. I spent two days looking over my shoulder and seeing her there. She was stalking me, in case I met up with him. Eventually, he put in an appearance after she had given up and he told me that he had spent much of the last two days stalking her, while she was stalking me. What an arsehole!

Regarding being robbed, I am sure that is a possibility, but then, what's to stop last night's girl, seeing me on the street and then pointing me out to accomplices? In fact, the more girls that I go through, the more likely that scenario seems to me.

Thanks for the input of those who have written so far. It does seem to me that though all the advice is well meant, most you are having trouble coming to terms with my reluctance to change girls every day once I have met one that is likely to keep me happy. Regrettably, I am too old and worn out for hardcore mongering and so I tailor my needs to what I can handle.

[Lebyteme]

News flash, you do not need Tony to talk to girls on Hollywood beach. Find a girl you like, call her over and use a app to translate. Not exactly the hardest thing in the world. Also short time from the beach should be no more than $200 mil pesos. Unless your extremely unattractive girls will agree to this price.