Cartagena Reports

[Dublin12]

Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia unless I was staying somewhere with security. Also how is your Spanish? Thailand was easier as many of the girls I ran into speak English but in Colombia the only ones who I find that can speak some little English are the ones that have normal jobs in the tourist areas. I've only ran into one prepago that spoke little English and it was very basic stuff.

As for being robbed, they won't point you out on the street for a gang to attack you, they will wait until they are in your apartment most likely sleeping then open the door to let their friends in, or drug you and clear out all your stuff. This have not happened to me yet, but I know someone it happened to who like to travel solo, and there are many stories like it. I would put safety first, then sexual needs second.

Totally agree with you about the relative trustworthiness of Thais.

As I've already stated, I don't speak Spanish. But then again, I've never got that drunk on a monger trip, that I could not put myself to bed.

Yes there is always a chance you might be robbed down to the chica, and you know someone that happened to. How many people do you know that it hasn't happened to? And what are they going to get? On a good day after I've been to the ATM, maybe $300. By the time I've got home after night out, that might be $150 including the money for the girl. I have an old laptop, my phone, luggage, passport, a 35 year old Seiko watch and Debit card. Robbing me, will not change her way of life. I know you can't factor in the stupidity element, but if the door is opened from the inside, would the girl really think I would not figure out her role in this? But then again, you can never allow for the stupidity of desperation.

[Dublin12]

Your fun and satisfacation with the girl. She can't guarantee that even if she tries. And try to put her out when she has already spent that 28 days pay in her head and you are liable to have problems.

My source is asking Colombians that I know in Colombia.

Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know why people would assume that if the girl fails to perform, that I would not be prepared to deal with the problem. If the worst comes to the worst. I move to another location. BTW, in spite of all my frailties, I can be very good fun on a night out out with a girl.

Regarding, local knowledge versus Google. I've looked at other sites, and I've seen $261 in another, so I am inclined to rely on your figure. Regardless, whether it is 4 x or 9 x, do you think many girls would be dissatisfied with my offer?

[Dublin12]

What he means is: the more you give a girl, the less she appreciates it.

There is nothing wrong with finding someone you like and hanging with her, however if you are paying her anything cash wise, you have to remember she is a working girl. Period. She may be a nice working girl, a great lay in bed, but she is a working girl. Any notion that she likes you for anything but money then is a mistake.

I keep saying this but there are Colombian women who want to hang out with American guys and not for just cash.

My current GF has gotten more from me than any other girl yet I have not given her dime for sex or just to hang out with me. See if you can find a woman who will fuck you for no payment. Then you have a keeper.

It is fine to hang with a working girl for cash but just make sure in your head that is what you have. If she expects money, she is with you for that and not for you. It is easy to get that confused, and the women are really good at keeping you confused on this subject, but you should remind yourself always of what she is and what you are.

What amazes me is American men are so comfortable being johns they miss out on so much free pussy. It is there in abundance if you think that you are worthy of it.

Just to clarify, I think my posts make it clear that I am not American. I am old. I am married (and I always make that clear). Why would anyone think that I am unaware that as far as the girl is concerned, this is anything other than a commercial transaction? Notwithstanding, that I prefer it to be commercial. In all the circumstances, all I am bringing to the party is my wallet.

As far as diminishing returns are concerned, I'd allow her one off day, but after, she is no longer what I want and she's gone.

Not sure if you've heard of it but there is a book called "Private Dancer" about a Brit who falls in love with a Thai hooker and his life is destroyed. I remember at the time it came out, all the Thai "sexperts" were raving about it saying that this was a bible of things not to do when in TH and was essential reading. Really? And if it had been set in any other location, the outcome would have been different? I know exactly what I am looking for: A commercial transaction which ends when she stops performing, or I go the airport. Whichever comes first.

[Mr Enternational]

Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia

Dude you are preaching to the choir. I left Flexx, must have been one morning, because the last thing I remembered was walking down Walking Street and it was daylight. I woke up in my bed and there was a chick next to me and I went back to sleep. Not sure if that was the time I left my bike on Walking Street or it happened to follow me home. No way in the hell I would do something like that in Colombia. I don't even drink at a place there unless I am with friends.

[Mr Enternational]

Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.

LOL. Which robbery? They happen all the time all over Colombia. Just look at the news, read ISG, or join one of those Colombia expat facebook groups. A good buddy of mine was left destitute and in the gutter a few years back. They did not get him inside. They got him outside. Your place with security can not help you with that, unless you just plan to stay in and order chicks online.

[Mr Enternational]

Don't' pay more than 50 for the chair. The actual price is 20.

What do you mean don't pay more than 50? A chair is either 4 or 12 depending on the style, not 20 or 50. You can get chairs and stuff from anywhere because the prices are regulated and supposed to be the same no matter who you get them from. I posted the prices from the government a while back and I shall post them again. If you are charged more than these prices there is a number listed here to call to report it.

[RacShack]

Don't' pay more than 50 for the chair. The actual price is 20.

So why not pay 20?

[Kc Talent]

The prices depend on the monger.

If the monger lives in Colombia or he is a local he can get it for a lower price or even free if he plays the long game of taking her out. Knowing how to speak Spanish can help but if the monger don't know Colombian slang, she will just see the monger as a foreigner and will treat them as such.

Once the chica finds out the monger is only visiting then the prices change. A little "Que lo que" in Sosua goes a long way, the equivalent of that in Colombia I'm still trying to to learn.

Based on my daytime experience, if I get them around Playa Hollywood or El Laguito they can start at 150 K COP and top out at 300 K COP. 200 K COP is the reasonable amount. This is all ST. The 800 K COP price I've only experienced in Delirium, your experience may be different.

Based on my night time experience, if I get them from Centro, clock tower, Space, Dulce Vita or Delirium they start off at 300 K COP for ST and for TLN it can start from 500 K COP and top out at 800 K COP.

The mongers looks also matter when it comes to the price and service. If the monger have the appearance of a failed NFL line backer who looks like at any minute they can die from a combination of health problems the chica will tolerate the monger just for the money and run. If the monger does not have the appearance of a typical Playa Sosua monger who have to stack two of the beach chairs because a single chair will break under their weight the price and service will be decent JAJAJA!

To me, anything over 200 K COP for ST or 600 K COP for TLN is something I'm willing to walk away from. Keep in mind many of them will still ask for tip + taxi $$.

Great, I think from your reply you gave the the ballpark information I requested I will be down on the week of the 10th. Can't said I know the Columbian "slang" but my Spanish is well enough to get by in my job with negotiations but they to see me as a foreigner that speaks Spanish but in the end, I win. I'm in good shape and love the beach jet ski and scuba dive. I spend very little time in So- Sewer while living in Santo DOM DR. Your information will help me with my chica negotiations, what's too high or not fair, as a monger I don't really care if the chica see me as a foreigner this little trip will be about pussy on the beach or Clock Tower clubs for ground and pound and maybe get that azz too. BE SAFE BE HAPPY.

[AmorPorFavor]

Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia unless I was staying somewhere with security. Also how is your Spanish? Thailand was easier as many of the girls I ran into speak English but in Colombia the only ones who I find that can speak some little English are the ones that have normal jobs in the tourist areas. I've only ran into one prepago that spoke little English and it was very basic stuff.

As for being robbed, they won't point you out on the street for a gang to attack you, they will wait until they are in your apartment most likely sleeping then open the door to let their friends in, or drug you and clear out all your stuff. This have not happened to me yet, but I know someone it happened to who like to travel solo, and there are many stories like it. I would put safety first, then sexual needs second.

Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.

[Nypher]

Thanks for the input, I am assuming from what The Tall Man says, that he appears to think that 250 K is too high. If so, your opinion leaves me confused. Presuming that I find the right girl on day one, she will earn about $1800 for the 4 week period. That's about 4 X the average wage and the security of knowing that she will not have go back to say, the clock tower tomorrow in the hope of finding her next customer. Others will know better than me, but is that so unattractive?

Regarding a "wingman", this will my 27th trip since 2006, and I've never needed a wingman yet. In fact the worst trip I ever had was when I linked up with someone I knew from DUB. He met a Laotian who was on holiday in Pattaya and she was a freebie for a few days. But rather than say "bye bye" to her he was hiding away from her. I spent two days looking over my shoulder and seeing her there. She was stalking me, in case I met up with him. Eventually, he put in an appearance after she had given up and he told me that he had spent much of the last two days stalking her, while she was stalking me. What an arsehole!

Regarding being robbed, I am sure that is a possibility, but then, what's to stop last night's girl, seeing me on the street and then pointing me out to accomplices? In fact, the more girls that I go through, the more likely that scenario seems to me.

Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia unless I was staying somewhere with security. Also how is your Spanish? Thailand was easier as many of the girls I ran into speak English but in Colombia the only ones who I find that can speak some little English are the ones that have normal jobs in the tourist areas. I've only ran into one prepago that spoke little English and it was very basic stuff.

As for being robbed, they won't point you out on the street for a gang to attack you, they will wait until they are in your apartment most likely sleeping then open the door to let their friends in, or drug you and clear out all your stuff. This have not happened to me yet, but I know someone it happened to who like to travel solo, and there are many stories like it. I would put safety first, then sexual needs second.

[Kafka]

Thanks for pointing out the real Tony. I know who to look for now to get chairs.

Don't' pay more than 50 for the chair. The actual price is 20.

[AmorPorFavor]

Playa Hollywood all day! Near Tony but with Pedro. Too many cuties! Got a few numbers, another good day!

Hit centro at night, offered a smoking chica 300 k sexo con condom pero tu me chupas sin condom. She insisted on condom blow job so I passed. Ended up taking a cutie I had last trip for todo la noche. Good sex at night and the morning. Gave her 500 k. All good. Doing the same shit today!

I love your style. Sounds like you are having a great trip. I'll be back in Cartagena this winter. Had a trip all booked for April 2020 but of course that was shit canned by covid. Its just too hot and humid in the Caribbean for me in the summer cause I live in San Diego and its so nice here now with Tijuana 25 minutes away.

[Mr Enternational]

I don't get your "diminishing returns". Apart from my time. What is diminishing?

Your fun and satisfacation with the girl. She can't guarantee that even if she tries. And try to put her out when she has already spent that 28 days pay in her head and you are liable to have problems.

Not sure what your source is, but I got the average wage from google.

My source is asking Colombians that I know in Colombia.

[Elvis 2008]

Thanks for your reply.

I don't get your "diminishing returns". Apart from my time. What is diminishing?

What he means is: the more you give a girl, the less she appreciates it.

There is nothing wrong with finding someone you like and hanging with her, however if you are paying her anything cash wise, you have to remember she is a working girl. Period. She may be a nice working girl, a great lay in bed, but she is a working girl. Any notion that she likes you for anything but money then is a mistake.

I keep saying this but there are Colombian women who want to hang out with American guys and not for just cash.

My current GF has gotten more from me than any other girl yet I have not given her dime for sex or just to hang out with me. See if you can find a woman who will fuck you for no payment. Then you have a keeper.

It is fine to hang with a working girl for cash but just make sure in your head that is what you have. If she expects money, she is with you for that and not for you. It is easy to get that confused, and the women are really good at keeping you confused on this subject, but you should remind yourself always of what she is and what you are.

What amazes me is American men are so comfortable being johns they miss out on so much free pussy. It is there in abundance if you think that you are worthy of it.

[Dublin12]

I understand that. The price is to provide a perspective compared to TH. I did not use the lower price for comparison. Cartagena is expensive compared to other cities. Since you mention Soi 6, then I can tell you the price is even lower on the low end in Colombia. Local beer can be as low as 35 THB, sex on site is 600 TBH or less in a bar. Street girl is even cheaper. Someone reported fucking 6 girls for about 1700 TBH just this week over in Medellin thread. I did the money conversion, hope I did them correctly.

My guess is you will be bored either way if you don't speak Spanish. Try not think the girls will think the way you do. That does not work.

Thanks again. Your last sentence definitely is worth considering. All I can say about boredom, is that in the days before translation apps, I did several stints including 10+days with girls who spoke no English, and they seemed to know what was required of them, hence the length of the stay.

But I find it interesting that there is a total lack of consensus from all the people who have taken the trouble to reply. I'd guess that is because most people have the difficulty in thinking about limiting their choices so drastically as I am prepared to. Do. On the face of it, it may not make sense to them, but I know my limitations and past experiences.

I note that there has not been much comment on the Cucuta option, but the more I think of it, the more inclined I am to consider it not among my greatest ideas.