Cartagena Reports

[Ricker]

That last report makes no sense at all.

I believe you're trying to dispute MJ Dogs advice of not paying top price for a 10 cause the service is usually poor and that a great GFE may be found from a 7 or 8.

Well he (MJ Dogs) makes sense to me ... his advice is good.

Of course ... everyone is always going to decide for themselves in the end.

[Belmont]

LJG Dogswrote:

"hell out just once for a 10" means: pay a lot of money for a top-flight beautiful woman..

Not good advice- my experience tells me that the super hot LDV chicas are mercenaries that provide so-so or poor service.

Go to a casa, find a 7 or an 8, just oof the bus and you may have the best time of all of them.

just my opinion..."

I disagree!

Depends on your play. LDV has semi pros, part timers. At rent time many come in(1st of month). If you're looking for quick take out, what he says is true. But there are many gems to be had for a date style experiance. There is group of vamps there, they usually congrigate at the part of the bar that extends closest to the dance floor. NOT best pickens there! But I have met many a good night in LDV, dined, gone to Giro Mato, Mr. Babilla, or Tu candela. Yes, paid for drinks and liquid refreashments(additional cost) BUT, the choise is GFE or takeout. You deciede what you want. Perhaps Beutifull take out sex, no friendship is better had at casas. But I've never been to one in CTG!!! And not tempted. Maybe I don't know the casas. But I know I'm paying less! And having a ball.

My advice: decide for yourself!

Belmont

[Member #4211]

I come tomorrow back North. I spent a total of 8 days in Cali and 8 days in Cartagena.

My perception is that Cali is a much better place for staying long-term and meeting non-pros. Cartagena, on the contrary, provides more high-quality P4P options and similar number of non-pros but it is a less convenient place to live long-term.

Even though Cartagena has a very romantic and genuine Old Town, most of the "livable" city (that is, the neighborhoods such as Bocagrande, Laguito and Castillo Grande where foreign guys would rent a place) is too much oriented towards the tourist, and IMHO the atmosphere of "taking advantage of the tourist" and the shallow Summer vacation culture permeates everywhere. Cali, despite not having beaches and being very dirty, looks like a "real" city with industries and commerce, and many more options in terms of food, entertainment and such.

Touts, despite not being as annoying as I expected, are always there trying to sell stuff, and the really nice beaches are located far from the city (Islas del Rosario are more of a group of resort areas than long beaches with sand to walk, so after 2 visits it gets old). Also, Cartagena is more expensive than Cali.

To that you have to add the very hot and humid weather. At least on this season, I find really disturbing the Cartagena weather, forcing me to take 2-3 showers per day. This makes uncomfotable to walk around the city.

Maybe Tom and other people may elaborate on what kept them attracted to Cartagena in order to live there long-term.

Also, take into consideration that I stayed at an hotel in Cali and at an apartment in Cartagena. I found the building (Marina del Rey) a little bit run down (everything worked and the services were acceptable, but looked old and torn down a bit). My impression may have been different if I stayed at a similar place in Cali.

Unlike you expect to spend some time searching for non-pros or semi-pros or deal with SWs around Laguito, chances are you will end up paying COP 100-150K for a girl. With some exceptions, most of the places I visited charged that for short term.

As of non-pros, dating sites such as ussp.match.com and www.cybercupido.com provided me with more alternatives than the ones I could handle in 2 weeks.

Hope this helps,

Andres

[Member #4211]

Yesterday, I visited several clubs by 11 PM.

CHICA LINDA: This time, there was a COP 10K admission fee. It seems that after a given hour they charge for admission. No wonder why, since inside the club was packed with guys eager to see the stage performances. Between performances, guys dance with their "dates" on a dancing area at the left of the saloon.

I saw most of the girls from the previous visit, but most of them taken. Left the place.

Just for your info, the cab wanted to charge me COP 20K from Bocagrande to Lamparo (very far away, indeed). I said no way, it should be COP 12K and we agreed finally on COP 15K.

VENUS and CASA DEL MARINO: Both places barely had girls, since groups of guys took most of the ladies for the night long. Too bad.

PLEYCLUB: Arrived by 1:15 AM. It was packed of guys, and less ladies than my previous visit. Most of the guys came there to drool with the stripteases, since I didn't saw much movement to and from the rooms area.

A girl from Pereira called Catalina approached me. She behaved very friendly, since there was some kind of chemistry between us. This girl is petite, with a well formed body and average of everything (boobs, butt, etc). As of her, she was working there for just a week and wanted to leave the city due to the unbearable humid heat. Back to business, she allowed for BBBJ, so I hinted that this may be a very good session. Paid the COP 150K and went to the room.

One of the best BBBJTC I ever had. The rooms were very clean, although no water on that particular room.

Hope this helps,

Andres

[Surfer]

Andres wrote:

Private doctors in CTG apply the vaccine on the same day you purchase the stay there.

They will give you the card, but you are not ptotected until 10 days after the injection. Do not bring clothing you do not want to get muddy. The cabins are really called ecohabs, round shelters that are very spartan.

[MJG Dogs]

"shell out just once for a 10" means: pay a lot of money for a top-flight beautiful woman..

Not good advice- my experience tells me that the super hot LDV chicas are mercenaries that provide so-so or poor service.

Go to a casa, find a 7 or an 8, just oof the bus and you may have the best time of all of them.

just my opinion...

[Member #4211]

Thanks for the casa updates Andres. Excellent info for my trip in 2 weeks.

Questions:

I see you went by the bull ring. Did you get any info on if they have any events in the next 4 weeks? Bull Fights or something else.

Are you going to Tayorana Park?? Sounds like a no because you don't have the fever card. Did you get any more info on how to get there etc???

Make sure to shell out just once for a 10. Why not.

Steve:

I don't pay much attention to bull fights, so I cannot tell.

As of Tayrona, I went to 3 agencies to ask for prices. I was flabbergasted by the lack of professionalism these agencies were run with. Some of them didn't know the prices for lodging there despite advertising the trip, some forgot to tell me that I had to buy transportation to Santa Marta on my own. Scary. They seemed to not have an organized package to go there.

Prices are COP 130-250K for a night in a cabin (COP 15K for a hammock), plus COP 80K for a round trip van ticket to Santa Marta from Cartagena, plus COP 21K to be admitted to the park, plus several COP 20-30K fees for horse riding, guided walks, food, etc. The whole experience would have costed between COP 300-350K for 2 days. Private doctors in CTG apply the vaccine on the same day you purchase the stay there.

Since I hadn't brought sneakers nor any apparel for outdoors (just beach and night clothes), I felt that I may risk some money and be unable to visit the place properly.

English is my second language. What does "shell out just once for a 10" mean?

Hope this helps,

Andres

[Steve 99]

The driver mentioned a place catering to locals, called Chica Linda and located close to the Bomba de Lamparo, near the new bull ring. www.chicalindabarshow.com

Andres

Thanks for the casa updates Andres. Excellent info for my trip in 2 weeks.

Questions:

I see you went by the bull ring. Did you get any info on if they have any events in the next 4 weeks? Bull Fights or something else.

Are you going to Tayorana Park?? Sounds like a no because you don't have the fever card. Did you get any more info on how to get there etc???

Make sure to shell out just once for a 10. Why not.

[Member #4211]

Hi, guys.

Thanks again for the comments.

PLEYCLUB

Yesterday, I decided to visit Pleyclub by 11:30 PM. I was impressed by the significant marketing setup (barmen's polos and chairs had embroided the logo of the club). The cab charged me COP 10K to get there, no cover fee and COP 5K the drink.

It is a medium size place, with 20 tables or so and a dancing pole in the middle of the room. I saw 20 or so girls, some of them very beautiful but in average not much better than LDV. Girls tend to be leaner (too thin for my taste, but to each its own). I was quoted COP 160K (COP 150K minimum) for 1 hour inside and COP 310K for take out. Music is loud and shows play often, as in Nuevo Estilo in BA.

I'm still surprised that places such as Rocio or Casa del Marino charge as much as Pleyclub. My hunch is that these establishments set a common minimum price of COP 150K.

I saw 1 or 2 blodes (8-9 on my scale) who merit a further visit.


VENUS

My next stop was Venus, a boliche near Pleyclub (1.5 km away or so). There were 8-10 girls, several notches below Pleyclub. However, prices are the same (COP 150K for 1 hour inside). I saw a girl called Sandra, a beautiful lady from Manizales with big natural boobs and a naive look that made her very attractive (8.5 on my scale). Unfortunately, she didn't BBBJ, so no deal.

I was charged COP 14K for her beer and my soda (!). Maybe they slipped a car driver's drink on the tab, but expensive compared to Pleyclub.

Left the place and returned to Bocagrande. COP 12K the cab fare, waiting time included.


LDV

The place was less crowded than on Thursday. By 1:30, let's say 25 man and 35 ladies. Being my third visit, I started to perceive a pattern: Some girls sit always on the same spot. There is a group of the same 4-5 girls sitted in front of the dancing space (Sofía being one of them) as an unseparable group of friends. I approached one of them called Paola (an aledged paisa, brunette with with nice body and big rack). She had a very bad mood, to the point that she wanted to charge me COP 200K. I declined and she left immediately.

Then, I met another girl, one called Natalia, with so-so face but very nice body. She quoted COP 160K but finally accepted my COP 130K with BBBJ. We went to my apartment and had a good session.

Hope this helps.

Andres

[Cachorro]

Andres, yes I have met that type of girl from time to time.

Quite often they were hanging out as part of a group of female friends. In this situation I used to just home in on the sweeter / less problematic ones in the group.

Sometimes I have done what you did, give it a little time to figure out the situation, then cut her loose. I will do this if I think she has a really toxic personality and I'm not enjoying her company.

A good alternative is to just make a play for her straight away. These girls are pretty shameless in how they ask for stuff, they will not be shocked by a proposition, especially if you make it tactfully. Usually this type is available to the right offer (cash regalo) and will have no hesitation about fucking on the first meeting.

If you wait for a second or third date to try and build chemistry, it's just extra hassle cause you have to deal with her not turning up if she happens to have a better offer / be doing something interesting / be all drugged up at the time.

That is only one type of semi-pro or prepago, there are plenty of other types too... Some have regular day jobs etc, and they are pretty much good girls who will go with you if they like you. With this type, you would get there eventually "for free", but a cash regalo just gets you from A to B in the fastest way possible.

With a little time in Colombia, you would be amazed about what is available to you for the right offer.

Thanks for the casas round up. Have not been to Chicas Lindas or Divas, I'll check them out next time. A few months back, I posted in this thread of another low-mid end casa where I was lucky to find a really hot girl. It's a small place so it's totally up to chance, but it might be worth visiting if you are feeling adventurous again in the early evening.

[Surfer]

Nice to see some savvy mongers giving sound advice. At least with a high priced hooker the ROI (return on investment) is assured (: You can find middle class and rich girls that will mostly pay their own way while you romance them (obviously you pay for dinner and drinks but not for THEIR taxis etc).

Andres: BEWARE "Alejandra" (her LDV name) if she is the hottie in the pictures posted this week by both Tom and myself. As Tom so aptly put it, "she is a total whackjob".

[Hit n Run]

Paid sex is always cheaper than free sex, and it's alot more honest. Want the GFE? Do the same pro more than once, and do her in the daytime. Sex performance goes up, while the price goes down. For non-pro in Cartagena, if your game is high, troll the university area in the Old City. Be aggressive in your approaches. Set up a beach date and include a Riquismo meal, then back to your place. Maybe 15 bucks including taxi. The only shopping for a girl should be booze, and the Viagra you swallow. Thanks for the report on the lesser known places. Too pricey for the inconvenience, except maybe Pleyboy, which has the hottest chicks in CTG by far.

[Member #4211]

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

As highly volatile stocks, I guess that semi-pros provide a bigger return with a bigger risk. With such loose rules, it wouldn't be unusual to find this kind of barracudas, but also you may find a truly GFE from time to time.

I liked particularly the quote from EA: "regardless of whether she is a semi-pro or not, it is the 'non-pro' element of her that is expensive." Maybe that's why American women hate so much h**ckers, because the alternative of clear transactions (money for sex) doesn't leave much room for playing men like this.

Thanks,

Andres

[Member #4211]

MASAJES ROCIO

Yesterday, I decided to visit Masajes Rocío by 6-7 PM. I took a cab, and the driver quoted me COP 8K for Bruselas neighborhood. Good.

It takes 30-45 minutes to arrive there, due to the rush hour. The place looks like a typical Cali house, with no signs from the outside. Address was perfectly detailed from the Cartagena List thread.

Once there, I found no girls available. I was told that they just arrived and were dressing for the night. The driver and I ordered a soda and a beer (COP 8K) and waited for 30 minutes, sitted at a backyard ressembling more of a restaurant than of a massage parlor.

Prices of rooms were posted in USD on the wall, a sign that the place caters to tourists. USD 25 for 1 hour and USD 40 to take out. Girls charge USD 50 for 30 minutes. In COPs, it was a total of 150K for 1 hour inside.

Meanwhile, 5 girls appeared, very young and some really attractive. One big boobed caleña called Erica got my attention and wanted to drag me towards her room. She really had a nice body and rack. I was told that later there would be 30 girls or so.

I used my criteria of visiting the place before 8 PM since it is the time when they close in Cali. Well... they start at that time in CTG!

I offered the driver COP 40K for a whole ride around places and back to Laguito. He accepted.


VENUS NIGHT CLUB

We left Rocio and headed towards Venus. The driver passed by Pleyclub (I guess the famous Pleyboy Club) at a corner in Bosque. It looks very nice from the outside, but we didn't enter because we find out that girls arrive around 10-11 PM (the driver mentioned that this club has by far the best girls in CTG, and that the owner has another club in downtown called Diva's). We headed to Venus, instead.

This small night club is located a few blocks from Playclub, On the inside, it looks like a small version of a BA club with a dancing pole, but only 1 girl around 8:30 PM (although she looked very good). We left immediately. Next stop?


CASA DEL MARINO

Located in Bosque a little further away and surounded by industrial facilities, it looks scary to get there. You pass a car fence and cross a concrete patio, the saloon being at the back.

It is a very big place, with a long catwalk, poles and the such, and no less than 30 tables. As the driver mentioned, girls there were weaing only underwear and shoes. Unfortunately, only 2 girls, one of them (called Valentina) had one of the biggests racks I ever saw (38DDD?).

Prices? COP 160 for 1 hour inside and COP 330 for outside (COP 130K for the house and COP 200K for the girl). Not many girls, so we left.

With these prices, qualities and distances, after all, LDV ain't such a bad price/quality ratio...


CHICA LINDA

This is the tip of the day.

The driver mentioned a place catering to locals, called Chica Linda and located close to the Bomba de Lamparo, near the new bull ring. www.chicalindabarshow.com

We get there by 9 PM. On the inside, it is very big and looks like Catto's in BA. I had been skeptic about the driver recommendation, since chaper places don't have good quality. However, of the the 15-20 girls on the saloon, at least 7 were doable. Let's say averaging 5-6, with eventual 7s.

Prices: COP 72K for 30 minutes (COP 60 the girl + COP 12K the house).

I chose a tall paisa girl called Estrella, who performed an excellent BBBJ. Rooms were very clean, much cleaner than at Flores Frescas. I paid COP 25K for a tip, although she wasn't asking for it.

Nice option. I also paid COP 14K for 4 beers and 1 soda.


DIVA'S

I went there by 11:45 PM. This place is located at a corner 1 block away from the Alcaldía building square / Old Customs building square.

On the inside, I was struck by the quality of the girls. It made me remember Black in BA, very fine chicks. On my scale, an average of 6-9 with an eventual 10 (a blonde just taken after my arrival).

I paid COP 5K for a soda (no cover) and watched the scene. A barman approached me explaining the prices: COP 150K for 1 hour and COP 300 for TLN, all inclusive. Not bad considering the quality and distance to Laguito, at least compared to Rocio and Casa del Marino.

I may return to take out that blonde.


TRIPLETERRA

Just passed by this place. It is a small bar lounge decorated as an eclectic BA's Palermo Hollywood bar. 3 small rooms where people drink and dance. Totally devoted to working girls, no non-pros there. Touts are allowed inside to sell flowers and the such.

Cover is COP 10K and a soda 8K (!). There's also a COP 10K fee for taking out the girl, but apparently no more fines. I saw 10 girls or so, averaging 5-7, one of which told me that they chare "COP 100K, or COP 150K", which means that they would eventually accept COP 100K or less for take out.

Making numbers, LDV has much better variety, quality and similar prices.


LDV

On my way back to the apartment, I spent an hour there (from 1:30 to 2:30 AM). Packed as hell, I saw no less than 40 girls and 30 guys, some of them really gorgeous (there was a big boobed girl wearing a light blue dress, sittted at the back, what's her name?). Some girls approached me, one of them called Alejandra, with dark eyes, nice face and a gorgeous body. Not may girls were going out with customers.

I'll be back to LDV, for sure.


Hope this helps,

Andres

[Chocha Monger]

Andres,

Pescaste un tiburon en vez de una sardina. You caught a shark instead of a sardine. Luckily for you, you had the self discipline to cut the line before she bit any deeper into your wallet.

You should not have to pay for these perks for a semi-pro that early in the game and certainly NOT up front before any action has transpired. Perks should be performance based rewards not free handouts. Zero tolerance is the right stance to take on such matters. Her requests, or demands rather, were quickly adding up to what some honest to goodness pro action would have cost you without all the nonsense.

Yes, you'll find that this particular species of female shark, a hardcore pro masquerading as a semi-pro, is quite commonly encountered. Remember a true semi-pro should be working to protect your money from the cab drivers and touts, not enticing them to fleece you and then give her a cut. A good semi-pro relies on the high quality of services provided to get payment with a bonus at the end.

The sad thing is that the average clueless gringo would have met all of her demands and she probably would not have put out any pussy in the end. I mean why would she when she's getting so much out of the guys without having to? That's what you call million peso pussy.