Medellin Reports

[Member #4394]

Several times, the members, if not me, have had heated debates on that "ideological" issue, namely, 1) whether or not you should take pros to public restaurants / clubs, and 2) whether or not you should date pros. The debate was very emotional, contentious, and often ugly. So I keep the mouth shut, and you may want to do the same.

I agree that the intimacy of dating can be its own reward. The problem I have is with exclusivity. I took a couple of girls I met in casas in Medellin on dates. Dinner, dancing, movies, etc. The impact as far as their appreciation for being treated like a regular lady was very evident, both in their emotions / words and their passion in the sack afterward.

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[Rodeo9112]

Somehow I enjoy dating girls, ie. Walking in parks, dining at nice restaurants, regardless whether or not I have sex with them. Also, I enjoy easy sex in Colombia. But it does not substitute the fun I can have when I date girls I like. Perhaps the two things are totally different things without means-end relationship..

I agree that the intimacy of dating can be its own reward. The problem I have is with exclusivity. I took a couple of girls I met in casas in Medellin on dates. Dinner, dancing, movies, etc. The impact as far as their appreciation for being treated like a regular lady was very evident, both in their emotions / words and their passion in the sack afterward.

[Johnny Five]

Maybe a lot of the younger guys are sick of the dating game. Dinner, drinks and endless listening to the useless chatter coming out of their mouths. After all the time and expense, maybe you get lucky and get laid. Then afterwards you discover it wasn't worth all the time, money, effort and you could have payed to have a hotter babe fuck your brains out for less. I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as free, there is always a price to pay.

I started mongering in my 50's. My only regret is I didn't start in my 20's.

I'm in my mid-thirties and started mongering a couple years ago. On a weekly basis now I think about all of the time and money I could have saved, amazing destinations I could have traveled to, and fun times I could have had if only I had reeled in the expenses of trying to impress non-pros here at home. Luckily my moment of clarity came to me on my first visit to the Phil. I'm looking into visiting Medellin this Fall and could not be more content with my decisions over the past two years. In short, I agree wholeheartedly with what you say!

[Member #4394]

Somehow I enjoy dating girls, ie. Walking in parks, dining at nice restaurants, regardless whether or not I have sex with them. Also, I enjoy easy sex in Colombia. But it does not substitute the fun I can have when I date girls I like. Perhaps the two things are totally different things without means-end relationship.

I disagree, I am over 40 now, but I learned about P4 P at the ripe age of 19. Once you learn that you can get all the pussy you want, with almost no effort, why in the hell would you go back to wasting all the time. Money, and energy to get laid in the US? I look at chicks in US now, and I think to myself, if other dudes knew about Colombia or Costa Rica or Dominican Republic Etc, they would NEVER have a date again.

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[Combo]

We don't want those guys to know about places like Colombia, CR and DR. We want them to stay in the USA, date and slop those American hogs and leave the hotties of places like those to the 1 percenters like us. LOL.

Hah! Sites like this are a blessing and a curse at the same time.

[Combo]

I agree with you, however, I do not know how other hobbyists feel but in my last few trips to Medellin I became very self conscious about how the paisas in the street view me. I get the feeling that they see gringos as mongers. Shadowing young girls in the streets would just be too much of a spotlight on me. I stand out enough as it is already. I prefer to be covert which is why I would much prefer to do the same in a non pro club. I have grown to like Sao Paulo very much which is where I am now. Here I am anonymous and not focussed on by street folks, I blend in much better here. With the advent of hoards of gringo mongers invading Medellin I think SP is the future of my Latin American hobbying. This city is just too huge to go the way of Sosua, Panama City, San Jose, etc.

Again, it depends on where you are in MDE. In Poblado, for the most part, they do see us as mongers. It can be done, but you have to be pretty smooth to pull it off. In other parts of the City, it will be easier. However, even in those parts, I wouldn't recommend it unless you have some moxie. Whether the chica is pro, non-pro or semi-pro, this method requires a bit of game to make the chica feel comfortable.

[TellAll]

I disagree, I am over 40 now, but I learned about P4 P at the ripe age of 19. Once you learn that you can get all the pussy you want, with almost no effort, why in the hell would you go back to wasting all the time. Money, and energy to get laid in the US? I look at chicks in US now, and I think to myself, if other dudes knew about Colombia or Costa Rica or Dominican Republic Etc, they would NEVER have a date again.

We don't want those guys to know about places like Colombia, CR and DR. We want them to stay in the USA, date and slop those American hogs and leave the hotties of places like those to the 1 percenters like us. LOL.

[Dveight]

I am amazed that we have guys under 30 who actually participate in this hobby and read this forum. Except for an occasional bachelor party or vacation, this is no hobby for young guys. Its for the old farts. We have put in the all the hard work chasing pussy all these years and now we need a break. Any self-respecting young guy should be getting free pussy through game, except during emergency periods of extreme pussy drought.

I disagree, I am over 40 now, but I learned about P4 P at the ripe age of 19. Once you learn that you can get all the pussy you want, with almost no effort, why in the hell would you go back to wasting all the time. Money, and energy to get laid in the US? I look at chicks in US now, and I think to myself, if other dudes knew about Colombia or Costa Rica or Dominican Republic Etc, they would NEVER have a date again.

[EstebanH]

This times 1-muthafuckin-00!

I'm in my early 30's. I made my first official mongering trip to Blackbeard's in Puerto Plata (DR) at the age of 26. The dating game in the US is just as TellAll described it. Even today I luck up and can get a chick that I met online to come over to chill without having to go through the song and dance of meeting up for coffee, dinner, walk in the park, etc. But that may happen once out of every 20 chicks I come across. You'll go fucking broke before you get laid dating here, LOL. I meet a lot of women online, but I don't have the time, money, nor energy to go on a date every single night of the week or multiple dates with a handful of chicks.

Most of them explicitly state upfront "I'm not coming to your house, and you are not coming to mine!" And I have also found that most of the women here work just as much as I do, if not more. Double that if they have a kid or two. Mongering works for me because it allows me to keep more of my time, which is just as valuable as money to me..

If you are going to be a working girl monger your whole life, this is fine. Its all good. But, if you ever plan to breed responsibly, this stuff completely distorts real life. It fucks you up for normal women. No girl who might be considered mother material will match these beauties. Even in Medellin, most of the men marry the respectable girls. They may visit a cat house occasionally but don't make a career out of it. That's why it works well for most of us older guys. We already got all that stuff out of the way and are just looking for fun now.

[SavePros321]

Maybe a lot of the younger guys are sick of the dating game. Dinner, drinks and endless listening to the useless chatter coming out of their mouths. After all the time and expense, maybe you get lucky and get laid. Then afterwards you discover it wasn't worth all the time, money, effort and you could have payed to have a hotter babe fuck your brains out for less. I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as free, there is always a price to pay.

This times 1-muthafuckin-00!

I'm in my early 30's. I made my first official mongering trip to Blackbeard's in Puerto Plata (DR) at the age of 26. The dating game in the US is just as TellAll described it. Even today I luck up and can get a chick that I met online to come over to chill without having to go through the song and dance of meeting up for coffee, dinner, walk in the park, etc. But that may happen once out of every 20 chicks I come across. You'll go fucking broke before you get laid dating here, LOL. I meet a lot of women online, but I don't have the time, money, nor energy to go on a date every single night of the week or multiple dates with a handful of chicks.

Most of them explicitly state upfront "I'm not coming to your house, and you are not coming to mine!" And I have also found that most of the women here work just as much as I do, if not more. Double that if they have a kid or two. Mongering works for me because it allows me to keep more of my time, which is just as valuable as money to me.

It'd be a lot different if I looked like a young Chris Hemsworth (Thor) and had to beat women off of me with a stick daily. But I am the one that has to do the chasing and it's just not worth it most of the time.

When I think about it, all of my paid pussy (including here in the US) looks-wise was 10x hotter than any of my non-p4p American pussy.

[Dickhead]

'Lo siento que mi amigo te hizo llorar! Yo no voy a hacerte llorar!

That would certainly be understood by any Spanish speaker. But, in that sentence, 'lo siento' expresses an emotion on the part of the speaker. That (plus a change in subject, so the infinitive cannot be used) is one of the triggers for the use of the subjunctive in the dependent clause, so it would be: '¡Lo siento que mi amigo te hiciera llorar!'

The way to master the subjunctive, which is rarely used in English but continually used in Spanish, is first to be able to recognize it when you hear it, from the change in the vowel of the conjugated verb: 'a' becomes 'e' and 'e' and 'i' become 'a'; unfortunately 'hacer' is irregular in the subjunctive so the pattern doesn't hold. Those verbs you just have to memorize. Then, once you can recognize it, every time you hear it, ask yourself why the speaker used the subjunctive.

The acronymn 'WEIRD-O' covers most of the triggers that, when occurring in the subject or independent clause, require the use of the subjunctive mood in the dependent clause (if there is a change in the subject; if no change in subject, the infinitive would be used).

W: Wishes.

E: Emotions (such as 'I'm sorry that')

I: Impersonal expressions: Es necesario que, es bueno que, es mal que, con tal que, etc.

R: Recommendations: Te aviso que, te mando que, te digo que, sugiero que, etc.

T: Doubt: Dudo que, no creo que, es posible que, es probable que, es difícil que, es raro que, etc.

O: orders, or the command or imperative tense. While not technically the subjunctive, the second-person formal or Ud. commands are formed the same way as the third-person subjunctive (el, ella).

Hope that helps!

[Turgid]

Older man Going out with the Colombian 18-19 year old girls and is not that creepy. I don't find it creepy and I'm 47. The girls don't seem to care as long as they like you. I have seen a lot of older Colombian guys with girls several decades younger too and they seem fine. Keep in mind you are in a different culture where this is more normalized. I don't see that this is wrong as you think. Then don't come to Colombia and stay in the USA fucking old ugly putas (if you find any). Who cares anyway since we are not breaking any laws and everyone is consenting. Those 18 year old girls that the other poster is hunting and having so much fun also want to be with him or older man like us. Yes they after our money and potential security we could provide, but we are after their beauty, pussy, company, and youth. And also those young girls are often the one doing the hunting with their flirtatious ways, manners, dress, gestures, etc. Just relax and have fun with a hot 18 Colombian girl.

I agree with you, however, I do not know how other hobbyists feel but in my last few trips to Medellin I became very self conscious about how the paisas in the street view me. I get the feeling that they see gringos as mongers. Shadowing young girls in the streets would just be too much of a spotlight on me. I stand out enough as it is already. I prefer to be covert which is why I would much prefer to do the same in a non pro club. I have grown to like Sao Paulo very much which is where I am now. Here I am anonymous and not focussed on by street folks, I blend in much better here. With the advent of hoards of gringo mongers invading Medellin I think SP is the future of my Latin American hobbying. This city is just too huge to go the way of Sosua, Panama City, San Jose, etc.

[El Mechanico]

When I first joined in April, I posted a few questions & was promptly told to RTFF!! I wasn't to happy about it, however, having 3 months to research & gather intel on the MDE, I started reading posts from 4/2014 which is about page 380 ish right now. I am 'up' to page 165 & have about 120 or so pages to get caught up to the point where I joined.

I must say, whoever told me to RTFF was correct! All of my initial questions were answered plus a ton more. There is so much info in the posts that almost any topic has already been answered ad infinitum! In reading all of the posts in chronological order, I can understand why the regulars get aggravated with newbies (I still consider myself a newbie!) asking a question that was discussed a page or two earlier.

Anyway, great forum & thanks for the advice to RTFF. There is a vast wealth ok knowledge in this forum!!

Thanks,

El Mechanico

[El Mechanico]

In RTFF posts from the last 2 years, the subject of learning, speaking & IMO, most importantly, understanding Spanish has come up from time to time. I consider myself a fairly good Spanish speaker after 13 semesters of university level Spanish & probably 40+ trips to Mexico, & several Central Am. Countries as well as being married to a Honduran woman for a short while.

My definition of 'Fluent' in Spanish is speaking well enough to go to court in a Spanish speaking country & completely understand what is being said to me. I have no problem getting around, talking to the chicas, traveling, ordering food or whatever, however, from time to time, I have to ask whomever I am talking to to repeat themselves & eventually get what they are saying. And of course the dialects & slang is different from country to country, as I discovered in Panama last December in speaking to a Colombian, Cuban, Venezuelan & local girls.

I know that someone who grew up in a Spanish speaking household or in a Spanish speaking country & Spanish is his first language, would be considered fluent. What I find amusing are the people that speak cartoon Spanish.

In the Del Rey 2/8 in the lobby bar, I overheard a fellow monger talking to a chica at a table behind me.

His sentence verbatim, "I sorry my friend make you cry. I no make you cry!

He was using baby babble to say, "I'm sorry my friend made you cry, I won't make you cry!

What is up with this I don't know Spanish, so if I talk like (I'm talking to) a baby in broken English, they will understand me!

If she understands the baby babble, she will understand you when you speak correct English. One does not assimilate into another culture by speaking slow, loud, broken English Baby Babble!

When I was in Thailand in the mid-80's (oilfield) a fellow employee would use this slow, louder than normal, broken English to pretend like he was speaking Thai. Simply idiotic in my opinion.

My point is, why not put out 5 minutes worth of effort & learn how to say 'Lo siento que mi amigo te hizo llorar! Yo no voy a hacerte llorar!

Even if what I just typed is broken Spanish, it's a gazillion times more appropriate than cartoon broken on purpose English!! Spanish is not that hard to learn people.

So, if that is the only thing I have to ponder on today, it'll be a good day!

Your thoughts gentlemen?? Feel free to guff, harass & call me out as needed!

Thanks,

El Mechanico

[El Mechanico]

I started mongering in my 50's. My only regret is I didn't start in my 20's.

My thoughts exactly. I 'Discovered' Costa Rica 6 years ago & although will continue to go back fishing out of Jaco / Los Suenos with friends, find myself growing weary of it after 4 or 5 days. Which is why I am going to MDE at the end of this month. I know, I know. I'm one of the guys that is ruining it for the rest of why'all, however, I do know how to keep a low profile, speak Spanish fairly well & I don't act like the stereotypical Gringo! I am in the 'Old Fart' category (55 yo) & will be staying at the Mansion as it is my first trip to the MDE. Hopefully everything will go as well as I hope and I will have a detailed TR following my return.

Lots of useful intel here. So thanks to everyone!

El Mechanico