Medellin Reports

[Jergens007]

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Day time Casa, Loutrons! Fake tits and fake asses, the best looking women! You will find all the women are atleast 8 + most of them don't have stretch marks!!

Night time, Fase Dos and La Isla! Night time strip clubs, you will find all types of women. Alot of cuurvy busty women!

Hi everyone,

I'll be in Medellin first time from Oct. 30 - Nov. 4. I'm a big hobbyist of FKKs. I speak nil Spanish which I know will be a major disadvantage. Tried to book at M1 and M2 since last week, all the rooms are booked for all those days. I will be staying at an apartment in publado.

Upon suggestions, I'm trying Facebook but not really easy either and no guarantees. I looked at the casas and strip club maps but not sure where to really go. I am a little bit picky.

GFE such as DFK, BBBJ, and DATY are a must. I like my girls looking like the playboy or pornstar type. I prefer silicone tits and ass but if she doesn't have that and she's hot, I'll go for it.

I need to have a plan for both daytime and nighttime. With these thoughts in mind and my preference:

1. What are the casas I should visit for this...

[Artisttyp]

Thanks Vitrea.

That was a great report. I've been wanting to go back to BA for years but I didn't know if it was out of my budget or not. Your report cleared up a few things for me.

[Vitrea]

Vegas Jeff, thank you for the complement and recognizing the effort that goes into writing reports. This is a great forum and if we can stay positive and encourage others to do the same, all of us will benifit tremendously from it.

Countless contributors, such as yourself helped me during my "inexperienced" phase and still learn from others on a daily basis. Few exceptional memebrs that standout are WT69 for his phenomenal lists, Matt for his maps, WTS for his "in the trenches" relaible reporting and Dealdo for lending a hand that helped me make some early connections. Thanks to all of you and other contributors who I have not mentioned.

Have fun, stay positive and keep reporting.

[Vegas Jeff]

I was lucky enough to go to these two cities back to back. I just left BA yesterday. I was in MDE two weeks ago. I miss them both already.

Excellent write up and comparison. I was clueless about BA and now I feel less clueless. If someone can move Vitrea's report into the Distinguished Reports area it might be helpful to future travelers.

IMO Vitrea currently writes the most accurate reports on this thread regarding the high end P4 P in Medellin. I find the prices he has quoted to be very accurate in general.

Actually, Vitrea is the only member that regularly writes about the high end scene. Most members who get a few trips under their belt and become organized and efficient vanish from the board. I want to compliment you for continuing to report.

Mfns, don't sweat it. I can totally identify with what you experienced although your pricing seemed a little high. I find the high end outlets are mostly full of jaded pros and many guys are too proud to report similar experiences to yours yet it is common. Vitrea is obviously somewhat comfortable in being able to navigate through this environment in finding what he is looking for. I met one guy who was hitting Abydos and Energy in the daytime and La Isla and Fasay Dos at night. He was a world traveling monger and he was having great experiences also. Some guys can overcome these girl's initial attitudes in making a connection and getting them to lower their guard. I used to be able to function in this environment but recently I feel as you do in that the attitudes of these girls is a turnoff.

Most experienced MDE guys, who like the higher end girls, turn to the internet for night time action. These guys are good at finding the better 10%-20% of the internet girls with decent attitudes and good looks. IMO this avenue is better than the high end clubs as it is easier to get relaxed dates at similar to cheaper prices. Most develop a small to medium base of girls. Then they start chatting with 1-3 girls in getting something set up for the evening. Just an idea. Please don't PM me asking about the internet as I have never met or spoke to a girl through internet before. With that being said I have friends that do very well with the internet and I admire their efficiency.

IMO Colombia is a DIY monger destination. Vitrea admits to being one of these people and it is no surprise that he enjoys Colombia. If you need your hand held go to a place where there are tons of poor girls lined up to meet your every need. I love Medellin because I can overcome the tourist stereotype and receive warm interactions often. I am also comfortable in Medellin because I know the city well including many of the bad neighborhoods in the North. I like Cali and the small towns as well. Bogota not so much. Cartagena not at all. Panama, Costa Rica, Cancun, etc no thanks. In these places I am viewed as just another dumbass tourist with money falling out of my pockets. Sometimes I feel like this in El Poblado but I digress.

Finally, I can totally understand the frustration of the experienced MDE mongers on this board. The Medellin thread has more than enough info if one is willing to read a little. Don't complain that it is too much reading. Be fortunate that there is information available which is not the case in many locations.

When I make to BA I will reference this post for sure. Vitrea, thanks again for the interesting read.

[Vitrea]

I was lucky enough to go to these two cities back to back. I just left BA yesterday. I was in MDE two weeks ago. I miss them both already.

Basics of travel in BA. BA is not a secret tourist or a mongering destination. I did it both ways before but what makes it unique now is the peso devaluation. Last time I was in BA, $1 = 3 pesos. Now the official rate is 8. 5 pesos and the unofficial "blue market" rate is 14.5 to 15 (I love latino culture. They are too prudish to call it black market). Along with devaluation of course there is inflation. What cost 100 pesos when it was 3 pesos to a dollar, now costs 300 pesos but if you are smart enough to get pesos using blue market, it is still at a deep discount. Also, the inflation is variable depending on the commodity. Food and wine went up two times, chica prices went up on average 3 times and hotels went up four times but we are getting 5 times as many pesos per USD. Hope that makes sense. In AP.com site I posted where and how to get blue market pesos. For uniformity, I am going to quote all prices in USD (based on 2000 CO pesos to a $1 and Blue conversion rate of 14 AR pesos. Prices are approximate and don't give me crap if I am off by $10 USD. If I am way off, please correct me.

Cities: Ricoletta in BA is the El Poblado of MDE for touristy stuff and unlike Poblado, Ricoletta and adjacent "micro center (downtown)" are the mongering hubs as well. That makes travel easy. Cabs are not as inexpensive as MDE but still way cheaper compared to North american cities and you barely have to travel more than 15 minutes during peak traffic, unless you want to go adjacent neighbourhoods to see a tango show (San Telmo) or sightseeing or where the locals go to avoid tourists (Palermo Soho and Palermo Hollywood). Most Stay in Ricoletta as I always do. I like it because it is beautiful and I can walk to several of my favourite places of pleasure.

MDE Casas vs BA Privados: Similar in concept but there are big differences. With few exceptions most Privados have less than 5 girls working at any given time. Unlike Casas, most Privados are open till 4 or even 5 AM. Chicas rotate in shifts and some might even live there. Some larger Privados may have a madam but in smaller ones, one of the chica's lets you in. They typically have a small living room with a sofa. You get to check out the girls and pick one. Prices depend on the Privado and the quality of the facility more than the quality of the girls. For example, a good value place Casa such as Energy, Abydos or Blue room will run you $60-70 USD and similar venue and quality would be $40 USD for one pop or one hour, whichever comes first. Service levels are similar with greater chances of Anal and BBBJ with extra tip or for repeat customers. The big difference is the sheer number of Privados and almost 20 hours of operation /24 hours. Privados are all over the city but again the highest concentration are in Ricoletta and Micro center. One other thing is that the escort "in call" services are almost always in a Privado. There are a few major escort sites and all of them have Privados scattered around the city. Some mongers even took the time to map the escort website girls to Privados but that info gets outdated very quickly. Conclusion: Just by pure numbers Privados have better quality than Casas and most have better ambiance compared to an MDE centro Casa but there is not much difference if you stick to quality establishments in both cities and for now BA is cheaper. Compared to a place like Lutron, BA is much cheaper for same or even better quality. However, ambiance wise, I don't know of a Privado similar to Lutron.

Escorts: There must be almost 50 agencies and a 1000 escorts any given day in BA. Since they double up as Casa girls, you can do in call or out call. This set up is similar to Paisa divinas or Masajista paisas in MDE (they both have their own apartments in various locations around MDE) but they are more in number in BA. Again because of the numbers, and if you are patient enough to spend time in front of a darn computer, you can find higher quality in BA. However, the BA websites are notorious for world class photoshopping skills. Famous Jackson quote, "discount 20% looks to a website girl". A 10 is an 8 and an 8 is actually a six. MDE outcall is typically $125 to $150 and in BA it is $75 to $100. I find MDE escort site pics to be lot closer to reality. I use them in either city only if I am too tired or lazy. I spend a lot of time on a computer for my day job and try to minimize interaction with it when I arrive at a mongering destination. Most escorts in BA offer anal and BBBJ, which is different compared to MDE. Those are less important to me.

Massage places: BA is quite unique in this respect. There are a ton of "massage" places. The operating hours are typically 11 AM to 9 PM. There are two kinds of MPs. Ones that offer a legit massage and HJ (included in the price) with topless or rarely nude massage with mutual massage or tit massage and or tits in mouth as options. Massage here including HJ, is $25 and the "tip" is $8 to 12 for topless tit massage or nipple sucking. Full service is highly unlikely unless she is in love with you. The other kind of MP is where there is a 20 minute pretend massage which is followed by a full service option. There you typically pay the house $25 and depending on the level of service you want, you pay the girl $20 to $25. I found stunners at both types of MPs. I almost fell in love with one at the full service kind. For my favourite places, see my reviews in AP.com under massage thread. PM me for the info on the MDE equivalent to the first type (legit massage with release). I do not advertise that location in MDE as it is truly a legit MP where you routinely see an upper strata house wife getting a rubdown in the next room.

Cafe's and pubs: The freelance cafe's in BA are interesting. Most mongerers end up there at least once for the thrill of it and some expats hang out there all the time. Good for them. The day time ones such as Exedra and Cafe Orleans are fun to check it out but the quality is hit or miss. Mostly a miss for me. I am strictly a solo mongerer but if you like to chat with very friendly and genuinely helpful expats, this is where you want to hang out. You will occasionally find a gem of a chica and you may even begin to wonder if she is an accidental tourist who ended up there unknowingly, mislead by tripadvisor. Most of them are hardcore pros though. The late night freelance pubs on the other hand are like the late night freelance dance clubs of CTG. The difference is that there is no cover in BA pubs and the atmosphere is relaxed, no dancing, just drinking, chilling and negotiating. Drinks are $7 for you or the girl and if you are patient, will find gems that will go to your room for one hour for $100. I found my 10 here one night! The pubs don't get going till midnight but close at 4 AM. Obviously, MDE is lacking in this offering.

Clubs: My favourite of veneus and the highest priced option in both cities. The rough equivalent of La Isla is club Hippopotamus (A + list). (Black is a famous A+ list expensive club that is totally passe. An over the top club scamming tourists based on it's past glory. Waste of time these days). Fase 2 = Hooke (A list). There are a ton of clubs that are similar to San Diego and Luna Luneras. (B list) and even more el centro type clubs (C list). In BA, I stick to A or A+. The big difference is that there is no onsite action in BA clubs that I visit. There is a cover to get into A clubs. $22 for A+ and $17 for A that includes a stiff drink. Girl drink at Hippo is $75 (yes you read that correctly) and you have to buy one drink per hour of take out. Girls typically go out for $150 to $200/ first hour and $75 to $100 each additional hour. So for example, if you want to take a girl out for 1 HR, it will be $75 for the drink and close to $200 for the girl. For two hours, it would be $150 in drinks plus $275 for the girl. The girl is obligated to come back to the club if the club is still open when she is done with you. Most top clubs close at 4 am so, if you pull a girl at 2 am for two hours or at 3 am for 1 hour she does not need to come back. Makes sense? (one club opens at 3 AM and closes at 8 Am!) Having scared with these prices, the reality is A clubs are a much better value compared to A+ clubs. At Hooke for example, the girl drink is $18 and it is $100 per hour for the girl. I found 9's there and some of them are sweet and classy enough to consider a longterm relationship. If you leave crazy prices out of the picture, for example, Hippo has many 10's. Probably one of the highest concentration of 10's, available to fuck for a buck, under one roof (Comparable to a German FKK such as Oase or Prague K club). Most of them know it and are a bit cold. I don't mind spending money if I know there is value in return. Hippo, with it's silly drink pricing policy makes it harder to find out. Going into details is out of the scope of this report. I spoke to several but never pulled one from there. Hooke on the other hand is priced similar to La Isla (for the first hour) but La Isla has more number of girls and for TLN, it comes out way ahead.

General thoughts: Paisas like to party. They jump at the option of going to a nice restaurant and a regular club. BA girls; not so much. The clubs put pressure on the girls to come back to the club. In MDE, once the girl leaves, she is under no such pressure though she may still choose to do that for persona financial reasons. For my tastes, both Paisas and Baires chicas are equally good in the sac. Looks wise, they both have stunners but if you like them on average a bit taller, dig light color eyes and brown or blonde hair along with a nice tight latina ass, you will be in heaven in BA. Silicone breasts are equally common but gluteal implants are less common in BA (I hate those). In general, I like them all natural and I don't have trouble finding them in either of the cities. Romance latina, CO Cupid and Facebook add another dimension to MDE mongering that I do not have much info on re BA.

Weed: You can easily and reliably get it in both cities though lot less expensive and better quality in MDE. Regular contributors can PM me on ISG site (not AP.com) if you like to know where to get party supplies or any other specific questions. I answer my PMs diligently. If I do not reply to you, that means I do not consider your contributions to the forum worthy of a reply. Please give a little so can get a lot more.

[Jchipper]

Agree that CTG is nearly not as friendly as MDE but that is true with many tourist destinations and more so in developing countries. I have had friends that were scammed in Vegas, NY and even in New Orleans. I was scammed too in my naive days. You live and learn. If you let them take you, they will. I would not entirely write off CTG though. I have been there many times and I have a great time every single time. Bit more expensive but different. NEVER ever talk to a tout. If you need info, that is what these forums are for. Spend some time reading the forums before you go to any monger destination and be a DIY monger.

I am shocked to see how many guys spends thousands of $$$ on plane tickets and hotels but don't do any research. Most depend on Taxi drivers and touts for information.

Oh beach, no I wouldn't write off Cartagena,I have a ball with the Massage girls on the beaches,they will do anything for the buc. I usually trade a dollar store perfume for an hour massage,they are so happy to get something from the usa,and I like the rub and tug action up shorts,its not the best place for a newbie though. Even I get ripped off sometimes but the beach scum. They got my camera behind the Carpa,then my Abercrombie sandals, so like the post said buyer beware!

[Lefeu]

I would not entirely write off CTG though. I have been there many times and I have a great time every single time. Bit more expensive but different. NEVER ever talk to a tout. If you need info, that is what these forums are for. Spend some time reading the forums before you go to any monger destination and be a DIY monger.

I am shocked to see how many guys spends thousands of $$$ on plane tickets and hotels but don't do any research. Most depend on Taxi drivers and touts for information.

I was there a few years ago too, and also had a great time. The scams are the same everywhere, even the US. I don't believe Cartagena is unique in that aspect, or even worse than other mongering destinations.

[Mfins]

This post proves what I predicted earlier. YOU misunderstood what they are saying. There is NO WAY a San Diego girl would tell you that bar fine is $150. She has zero incentive to up charge rate on bar fine. Besides, an SD girl rarely sees or encounters USD. I am not a fan of San Diego as I don't like the quality or ambiance or clientele there but they are not a rip off place. She said 150.000 and you thought $150. I am almost certain that it is true about your other rate quotes. Sorry you missed out.

Yes, I will post a detailed BA and MDE comparison before the end of week. It is totally worth 9. 5 hrs from MIA. I travelled from North west and if I get time off I am ready to do that next week. My heart will always be in MDE but I don't mind parking my dick in BA, at least during AR peso devaluation phase.

You have your opinion I have mine I was there. I speak spanish. I said that I converted what she said to US dollars. That is how my mind works when someone tells me something in pesos or any other currency I do the math and convert. It is what I did there at the time and what I am doing here as I write about my experience.

I believe, that she said the bar fine was higher so she could pocket the difference. It would have been an all inclusive deal for her or a kick back from the bar if I paid the bar fine seperate from her fee.

I would by your arguement that I misunderstood the prices or what they were saying if this only happened at San Diego but, it also happened with 3 seperate girls at Fase 2. I could not possibly have misunderstood or misinterpreted all of them. I know the difference between someone saying 150 dollars or Ciento cincuenta mil pesos or trescientos mil pesos. Sometimes the colombians just abbreviate and say ciento cincuenta when they are talking about something over 100,000 pesos. So I do recognize the difference.

However, none of this matters. The extra $100 or $200 doesn't matter, it was the fact I knew by there attitude that these girls were not going to be someone I would want to session with TLN. If they would have been friendly or less business like I would have paid $1000. Money was not the point it was just an indicator on what type of girl I was dealing with and what type of session I would have had. Maybe it is my fault for not playing the game and negotiating but I just felt it wasnt even worth the effort if this is how the relationship was starting off.

Anyway, Have fun In BA./ I will def. go there sometime.

[Combo]

This post proves what I predicted earlier. YOU misunderstood what they are saying. There is NO WAY a San Diego girl would tell you that bar fine is $150. She has zero incentive to up charge rate on bar fine. Besides, an SD girl rarely sees or encounters USD. I am not a fan of San Diego as I don't like the quality or ambiance or clientele there but they are not a rip off place. She said 150.000 and you thought $150. I am almost certain that it is true about your other rate quotes. Sorry you missed out.

Yes, I will post a detailed BA and MDE comparison before the end of week. It is totally worth 9. 5 hrs from MIA. I travelled from North west and if I get time off I am ready to do that next week. My heart will always be in MDE but I don't mind parking my dick in BA, at least during AR peso devaluation phase.

I'll also be looking forward to your thoughts on BA. I was last there in January of 2007. I enjoyed it, but I've been reluctant to go back because of the distance. I figure if I'm heading that general direction from and. America, I should just stop in Rio or Sao Paulo. However, Brasil is crazy expensive these days, and I've thinking with how bad things are in Argentina, it might be a good time to go back.

[Vitrea]

I would love the hear about Buenos Aires. I really want to go there. Only thing that stops me is the 11 hour plane ride from Florida.

The quotes I received were for TLN. Not just one hour. However, for one Girl TLN was only 4 hours.

At San Diego the girl told me just the bar fine was $150.00 plus $250 for her. At Fase 2 I was quoted $400 for TLN by one girl and $300 by another. My friend had a girl that was about a 6 or 7 offer $200 for TLN but, HE declined.

Usually when a girl starts off that high in price it completely turns me off and I do not even feel like negotiating it down. In my experience when a girl starts quoting high numbers and starts mentioning time limits and counting hours I just move onto something else and do not even counter with a price. Those girls tend to be the biggest clock watchers and the ones that have too many rules in bed.

This post proves what I predicted earlier. YOU misunderstood what they are saying. There is NO WAY a San Diego girl would tell you that bar fine is $150. She has zero incentive to up charge rate on bar fine. Besides, an SD girl rarely sees or encounters USD. I am not a fan of San Diego as I don't like the quality or ambiance or clientele there but they are not a rip off place. She said 150.000 and you thought $150. I am almost certain that it is true about your other rate quotes. Sorry you missed out.

Yes, I will post a detailed BA and MDE comparison before the end of week. It is totally worth 9. 5 hrs from MIA. I travelled from North west and if I get time off I am ready to do that next week. My heart will always be in MDE but I don't mind parking my dick in BA, at least during AR peso devaluation phase.

[Mfins]

No offense, but you must have one naive-looking face to be quoted prices that high!

You're right -- if a girl asks for that much right off the bat, it's a turn-off. Because they either think I'm a fool or they are going to be overly professional and a clock watcher.

I was drinking and spending a lot of money on drinks. They probably thought I was stupid, it was my first go around, or probably just starting really high figuring I would negotiate down. Either way it was almost insulting, a turn off and showed me right of the bat that I was not going to take that girl.

[Luv Fake]

Hi everyone,

I'll be in Medellin first time from Oct. 30 - Nov. 4. I'm a big hobbyist of FKKs. I speak nil Spanish which I know will be a major disadvantage. Tried to book at M1 and M2 since last week, all the rooms are booked for all those days. I will be staying at an apartment in publado.

Upon suggestions, I'm trying Facebook but not really easy either and no guarantees. I looked at the casas and strip club maps but not sure where to really go. I am a little bit picky.

GFE such as DFK, BBBJ, and DATY are a must. I like my girls looking like the playboy or pornstar type. I prefer silicone tits and ass but if she doesn't have that and she's hot, I'll go for it.

I need to have a plan for both daytime and nighttime. With these thoughts in mind and my preference:

1. What are the casas I should visit for this.

2. What are the strip clubs for this?

3. If you do have direct links for the girls or recommendations on particular girls, I would highly appreciate it if you can PM me. I've been working hard to prepare for 1 month but again it seems challenging.

The help would be enormous guys. You can PM me anytime guys.

I am willing to help out if you are in the US, Canada, or Germany.

Thank You again.

[You Can]

I was happy with finding girls rite in parke lleras at restaurants. I didn't go to one strip club or working girl house and had a ball. Plenty of party favors girls and drinking. Only thing is I am not into those mountains. I like a beach. They were gorgeous. I will go back but not regularly. The trip over all was very inexpensive.

Just returned from a quick 3 day trip to MDE. Without going into llong details, and just offering a general observation the woman in Medellin are just absolutely gorgeous. It had been about a year since I was last in Medellin and I forgot just how pretty the girls are. I am talking about the girls in the mall, resteraunts, walking around the streets. Just plain beauty.

As far as the clubs go, San Diego, Luna Lunera, La Isla and Face 2 there was some talent but, the prices seem to have been really out of wack this trip. I was quoted $300, $400 and $500 for take out. Seems much higher than I remember.

Also, just from talking with the girls there was not going to be any GFE.

I will definitely be going back to Medellin in the future as the city and woman are great but, I need to try another tactic other than the overpriced clubs.

[You Can]

Never had a problem in Cartagena that wasn't my own fault.

Spent the week here in Medellin with some great guys from the States as the tour guy, fun times! But when they decided to take a side trip to Cartagena I said count me out as I have a home on Baru in the Rosarios and go there some 8 to 10 times a year. Well, I warned them about the Scams, the Hustlers, the over priceds, and all the Rip off artist that prey on the flesh of the tourist by over pricing everything from Taxi to rides to Fake watches, to beach massages! And they found them all, at dinner last night to get a update on the trip I now feel ashamed I let them go alone. They were Lambs to the slaughter, they were ripped off by a fake tour guide who called himself, Johnny the Fixer' beware this guy is trouble! He told them there was only a tip needed to secure his services for 3 hours, when in fact HE was demanded 400.00 USA when the night was over and told them HE would call his Police friends if they didn't pay up, all the while my American friends had treated him to dinner, drinks in the clubs, and taxi rides all over town. He told them he was the one responsible for the Secret Service shake down and worked as an informant! This guy is bad news A to Z,when he arranged some girls to meet the guys they gave a Gringo price of 100 USA per hour, 1 guy agreed and took her to the hotel for some action, when HE finished she demanded 200 USA, he politely told her the price they agreed to was 100,she then said but I sat with you in the Bar for and hour too, She also made the Police threat, my friend told her go ahead. She had on speed dial 2 Cops and they showed up in 3 minutes at the Club and demanded HE pay her for her work or face going to Jail for assault! As a veteran of Colombia for 10 years I know first hand the horror the Colombian people can bring down on a otherwise great vacation place! The only trouble I have had in my 10 years in Colombia was in Cartagena, camera stolen, sandals ripped off, price gouged on beach massage, money stolen, all in Cartagena. I am no longer the 'No thanks' kind American tourist when I must over night there in route to Baru, I am a rude MFKR when I deal with the natives of Cartagena, I warn everyone who goes there, Buyer Beware' Cartagena.

[Combo]

I would love the hear about Buenos Aires. I really want to go there. Only thing that stops me is the 11 hour plane ride from Florida.

The quotes I received were for TLN. Not just one hour. However, for one Girl TLN was only 4 hours.

At San Diego the girl told me just the bar fine was $150.00 plus $250 for her. At Fase 2 I was quoted $400 for TLN by one girl and $300 by another. My friend had a girl that was about a 6 or 7 offer $200 for TLN but, HE declined.

Usually when a girl starts off that high in price it completely turns me off and I do not even feel like negotiating it down. In my experience when a girl starts quoting high numbers and starts mentioning time limits and counting hours I just move onto something else and do not even counter with a price. Those girls tend to be the biggest clock watchers and the ones that have too many rules in bed.

No offense, but you must have one naive-looking face to be quoted prices that high!

You're right -- if a girl asks for that much right off the bat, it's a turn-off. Because they either think I'm a fool or they are going to be overly professional and a clock watcher.