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07-02-20 21:52 #37783
Posts: 484Originally Posted by AdventureSeekr [View Original Post]
AdventureSeekr, judging by your posts your forum name is ridiculous ! If you ever finally have the guts to return here maybe you should change it, to something like paranoid fearmonger123 or words to that effect !!
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07-02-20 21:45 #37782
Posts: 484Originally Posted by AdventureSeekr [View Original Post]
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07-02-20 21:37 #37781
Posts: 484In mid March, some of you (like AdventureSeekr in particular) wrote a lot of inflammatory panic mongering that the Corona virus was coming for us, and that it would soon be as bad in Colombia as in Europe or the States, and we should all leave ASAP!
Well 3.5 months on and Colombia is doing much better than most of the Americas, the number of confirmed cases and deaths are still relatively low and there is just NO COMPARISON whatsoever between the figures of Colombia and the USA! Now there's 2,811,739 cases and 131,182 deaths in the USA. And in Colombia 100,009 and 3470 deaths in Colombia. Even accounting for population, the situation is the US is 6 times as bad as in Colombia! Its terrible yes, but it's the reality. And Colombia has handled the situation 1000 times better than the USA too! So back in March, with reflection, what was the point of leaving if you didn't have to?
Some of you guys come down to Colombia, hang in Poblado, drive around in Ubers, have in-call chicas and don't bother talking to Colombians. That's fine if you want to do that, but don't then lecture people about what's going to happen in Colombia and that we should all leave, if you know nothing about the place !
Some of you don't seem to know anything about Colombia or it's people. They had a lot more respect for the rules as Americans did on the whole, they know how to stick together and have been through harder times than this. The stores remained on the whole full and there were few shortages, unlike the panic induced disaster that hit the USA and other places. Maybe you should ask yourself why that is ?
I stayed in Bucaramanga for 2 months during the quarantine, never felt in any danger whatsoever there ! People were friendly and totally calm, and nobody queried where I was from. Maybe some of you with such little faith in Colombia and it's people to have faced up to the crisis shouldn't bother coming back ?
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07-02-20 21:11 #37780
Posts: 3801Originally Posted by Knowledge [View Original Post]
And if so, what happens if a resident has a fever, are they denied entry which seems improbable and / or allowed in and then the Portero reports to the Building Administrator?
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07-02-20 20:59 #37779
Posts: 2933Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
It is not a static situation. The death rate is quite high initially but it has been decreasing as the doctors learn more about the virus and know how to treat it. For example, we don't hear much about ventilator much anymore. One day they could be right about the number but for the wrong reason.
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07-02-20 19:53 #37778
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by BlackPage [View Original Post]
But I guess that I should be grateful for the incompetent politicians, without them I wouldn't been able to get a 3000€ discount on the new car that I just leased. Fuck the poor, "it's a rich man's world" as we Swedes used to sing.
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07-02-20 19:31 #37777
Posts: 2513Originally Posted by AdventureSeekr [View Original Post]
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07-02-20 19:17 #37776
Posts: 463For all the childless mongers
There is still time LOL.
Just please stay away from the hookers, nobody wants to see mongers with hooker babies.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/02/m...gbr/index.html
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07-02-20 18:48 #37775
Posts: 5466Originally Posted by AdventureSeekr [View Original Post]
This will be long. Most of it will be stuff that I've already covered. Most of the people with enough sense to, as they used to say, "pour pee out of a boot", already are aware of most of this.
Does anyone here know of anyone who has died from a car crash? It doesn't have to be within your immediate circle of friends and family. Anyone that you can think of who died in a car crash? That guy you used to work with, or maybe your girlfriend's cousin? How about suicide? You can probably answer yes to both questions. If you expand it to famous people, then everyone can answer "Yes. ".
How about the flu? Although the numbers all vary by year, estimated flu deaths aren't too far off from actual car accident deaths and suicides. If flu death estimates are anywhere close to being accurate you should have a list of names about the same as for the other 2 causes of death. Is it even close? I just did a quick search for celebrity flu deaths. I knew 2 of the names and can make some sort of connection to 2 others. Looking at similar lists for suicide and car crash victims, I have no trouble finding names which I'm familiar with.
All of that should make you question the estimated?
The reason is, very few people die from the flu. At the beginning of the flu season the CDC collects data from 13 regional hospitals. The data they receive is total number of admissions for flu or pneumonia. That's very important, because pneumonia is much more dangerous than the typical flu. Pneumonia is much more likely to require hospitalization and is much more likely to result in death.
They take the numbers and assume that others were admitted for the flu or pneumonia, but weren't listed. Then they add to the number again by guessing at the number of people who weren't hospitalized. Then they project the number forward to get an estimate of how many will die from the flu or pneumonia, but include all the pneumonia deaths under the flu.
Here's some actual numbers from Monroe county, New York. As of June 2 there were 17 recorded flu deaths in the county since October 1st. That's according to Rochester Regional Health.
https://www.rochesterregional.org/ne...lu-season-2020
As of today there have been 262 reported COVID-19 deaths in the same county.
As of May 26, there were 131 flu deaths reported for the most recent flu season in the state of Indiana. As of today 2,650 COVID-19 deaths in Indiana.
https://www.in.gov/isdh/22104.htm
But that's only a tiny piece of the story. How many times during flu season do you recall all school being cancelled, all sporting events being cancelled, theaters closed, malls closed, bars closed, restaurants closed? Every year? Every other year? Once every 10 years? How about not for the last 100 years?
Guess when flu season starts? Shortly after schools reopen. You stick a few million kids with only partially developed immune systems in classrooms and they start passing the virus around. The kids take it home to their parents, their parents take it to work. It spreads, mutates, spreads again and finally calms down when schools start closing for the summer.
With COVID-19 we shut it all down. We closed all those places where the disease can easily spread and we slowed it down. Some places did better than others. But even with everything we did if you do an apples to apples comparison, we already have 15-20 times the number of deaths over 4 months as over 7 months of the flu. These aren't projections. These aren't estimates. These are actual death certificates signed by a doctor confirming the cause of death.
How much did all the quarantines, closures, social distancing and masks reduce the spread? If it had absolutely no effect, then we're still left with 15-20 times the number of deaths. If it only reduced the spread by 50%? Fortunately, and I mean that sarcastically, we now have the opportunity to find out how effective all those measures were. Keep an eye on the number of daily deaths in the US over the next 2 weeks. If they climb past 5,000 you'll have an answer. It won't be one you like.
I'm not much of a doom and gloom guy. My philosophy is hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Maybe someone will wave a magic wand and it will all go away. But, until that happens, I'm going to keep myself as safe as possible.
One last bit. It's the "what if you're wrong" question. If I'm wrong, I've been wearing a mask and washing my hands for no reason. Neither soap not masks are that expensive and my work will happily provide me with hand sanitizer, masks and gloves.
But if all the "it's all media hype", or "it's a liberal conspiracy" folks are wrong, you just made it worse by convincing others not to protect themselves and others. Wear a mask. Stay at home. You can still whine and complain just as easily from your couch and it saves you the embarrassment of trying to delete all your posts from ICU.
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07-02-20 17:46 #37774
Posts: 4026The latest reports are a positive antibody test doesn't necessarily mean you are any safer from the virus than someone who has a negative antibody test result. In fact there are several documented cases of people who have suffered re-infection. By now most have noticed I am not structuring my life around coronavirus theories; that is why I am in Medellin and not on the other side of travel restriction. Once there is a proven safe cure or therapy I will take advantage of them. I can't think of anything. I would do differently based on a test result. By the way the porteros in my building randomly take people's temperature as they exit and enter, more virus theater. The supermarkets were doing it regularly a few weeks ago but no it's a once in a while thing.
Originally Posted by Surfer500 [View Original Post]
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07-02-20 17:38 #37773
Posts: 4026Go get 'them cowboy! LOL! But seriously, this is Mayor Quintero following Claudia Lopez's lead. It's purely political. Any of us who have been to Centro know how packed the streets are. What does banning liquor sales for two days a week and locking people inside overnight on holiday weekends going to change? The answer it will change the Mayor's public image if things get really bad because he will be able to start doing what Claudia Lopez does. Blame President Duque for anything and everything that goes wrong. They are both after his job.
Originally Posted by SlapShot10 [View Original Post]
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07-02-20 16:59 #37772
Posts: 335https://www.mibuenosairesmedellin.co...nnhP-DinQBsoIU
"Medellin will have a dry law every weekend and curfew on all bank holidays".
UPDATE:
"Slapshot's penthouse will not recognize said law. Giddy up!
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07-02-20 16:54 #37771
Posts: 4026You are right but these discussions never end well. The law is well known and has been restated several times in this latest thread. We should move on.
Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
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07-02-20 16:25 #37770
Posts: 1680Really?
Originally Posted by ElMechanico [View Original Post]
And this illness in only four months has over double the deaths to it's credit as a worse case scenario US flu season that lasts seven to eight months. Add to that the fact that 40,000+ new cases are showing up in the states each day into the heat of the summer with no let up in sight and sounds like we have something a lot more serious than the flu. Plus the fact that evidence points to certain serious long term effects found with Covid that aren't with the flu and it's clear that we have something on our hands worth taking seriously.
https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...health-effects
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07-02-20 16:21 #37769
Posts: 3801Originally Posted by Knowledge [View Original Post]