Medellin Reports

[JjBee62]

Whats my next steps to get on the plane.

I could tell you, but you fired me. LOL.

[JjBee62]

Interesting ideas that you added to the conversation. Just to add a few more things. Some girls do make money with WebCam. However it isn't an easy answer. Being a cam girl or being associated with these sex industry jobs come with a huge stigma which is very real. There are social emotional consequences. I'm not going to dive deep into the issues but they are in the news and the girls have told me about it too.

Don't believe? They have cried on my shoulder talking about these things.

For some, that is true. For others it isn't.

I just checked in with my old roommate. She's doing fine, no stigma.

For those who don't know the story:

I shared an apartment with a webcam model for almost 10 months. She's a successful webcam model. She's 30 years younger than me. I met almost her entire family, some of her friends and her ex boyfriend. All of them knew she's a webcam model. For the record she comes from an estrato 4 family.

On the other side, about 4 years ago a webcam model in Medellin jumped off a bridge in front of a metro train after some guy threatened to tell her family.

[Kazeu]

Well said. Great advice on negotiations.

Let us know how all that works out. If you go that route, I know of some stores in Colombia which sell excellent hand creams. You're going to want some nice soft hands, because your hands will end up being your only date.

Why does everyone make it so difficult? If you look at a restaurant menu and see the cheapest entree is $150 do you yell at them that you'll only pay $15? Walk your ass down the fucking street to McDonald's.

If a girl asks more than you're willing to pay, just tell her, nicely, what you pay and thank her for her time. She'll either hold firm or come back with a lower price. If you treat her with a bit of respect, she'll think of you when she needs the money. If you act like a spoiled brat, not only is she forever out of your reach. She's going to let 20-100 other girls know not to have anything to do with you. Before long you'll be lucky to find anyone under 40 who will accept a date with you.

It's incredibly simple.

1. Either ask her price or tell her what you will pay.

2. Talk nicely to her.

3. If her price is more than you will pay, tell her what you'll pay.

4. If she isn't willing to accept your price, tell her you understand, thank her and tell her maybe you will talk to her another day.

5. Move on to the next one. Repeat as necessary.

If you're going to be insulting and obnoxious during the price negotiation, why would she want to bother with you?

Ever try to rent an apartment, or buy something off a private seller? Try that "laying down the law" approach and see how well it works.

Treat people with respect. Deal with them fairly. Be nice. You'll find that you'll pay less and have a lot more options, along with much better experiences.

Or you can try it your way. Not sure why you would fly to Colombia just to sit in your room angry all day.

[JjBee62]

Interesting ideas that you added to the conversation. Just to add a few more things. Some girls do make money with WebCam. However it isn't an easy answer. Being a cam girl or being associated with these sex industry jobs come with a huge stigma which is very real. There are social emotional consequences. I'm not going to dive deep into the issues but they are in the news and the girls have told me about it too.

Don't believe? They have cried on my shoulder talking about these things.

For some, that is true. For others it isn't.

I just checked in with my old roommate. She's doing fine, no stigma.

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[JjBee62]

Different culture here. In Colombia even with locals men are expected to pay. So I'm ok with paying for dinners and taxis.

If I'm in the USA I always pay as well but that's just me.

I don't wait 3 dates. They know based on the restaurant I take them too they're giving it up on the first date.

However if a girl still pays half the bill after I ordered top notch steak bottle of wine and a shot of expensive whiskey then she's earned the right to hold out the pussy LOL.

But if after the first date I don't get the pussy there is no second date. And so far I've never had an issue.

Not really true for Colombia, amongst friends. A female friend will ask if you are inviting her, "me invitas", or she may tell you "te invito." In Colombia, inviting means your treat. It's perfectly acceptable to ask a female friend if she wants to go eat or drink without picking up the tab.

[JjBee62]

Okay guys this has been the trickiest scammer so far. She even confirmed her identity through video.

A girl on seeking.

1st red flag after agreeing to videoconference she asked for an up front gift so she can have lunch with her girlfriend.

2nd red flag she doesn't show up for the videoconference.

3rd red flag she doesn't reschedule the videoconference and disappears for 4 days after the videoconference.

She says her phone was getting fixed and that's why she was away.

4th red flag all of a sudden she and her girlfriend owe a business partner 200,000 each in a clothing sale. She wants 100,000 upfront through PayPal so she can get rid of this guy who she claims is angry and threatening her.

5th red flag she says she can only come over at 1 AM and since it's a three-hour date it ends at 4 AM. She says she is okay with staying up late. Suuure. Look how sly she is offering to come over at a time when she knows 98% of people would rather be sleeping. I mean what's the hassle can you just come tomorrow at 8 PM so we can all sleep well?

While she is asking for money I mentioned maybe you should do the videoconference this will help us build trust and confidence each other. So she does videoconference and her identity matches the photos. At 12 AM before going to sleep I message her. But of course she doesn't reply even though she said she's available at 12 AM..

A red flag means stop. Do not continue. There should never be a second or third red flag, but you went for 6?

If a sign says "beware of dog", how many times does the dog need to bite you before you believe it?

[Nounce]

Dude what is up with all the BS? Scheduling a videocall? What is wrong with when you are messaging with a chick just saying turn on your cam? And if she is a hooker then say come over and fuck at 8 pm and I will give you Xamountofpesos. What is with all the hemming and hawing? Again I thought the reason to deal with hookers was to cut through the BS. It seems you are keeping yourself around for it. Come fuck or kick rocks. It is simple.

Elvis and Slapshot who date girls from SA don't complain so how bad can it be?

As for all the price talk, I think you should be the one who complain the loudest on here because there are even more competitions, more big spenders in Pattaya. But you just do your own thing and I don't remember you ever whine about others causing you to pay more.

[Nounce]

Hey this is a great post. It shares personal experience. I found a woman that is great in the bedroom and at keeping me company. I found her on my 1st try lookiing for someone. So I always wondered if all women were so great or if there was just some things special about her. would it be hard to find someone like her again?

You are assuming people want something in return. It is a trivial amount of money to most people so why sweat about it. I have no problem buying dinner for hookers who I don't even intend to have sex with. LOL.

[GeneHickman]

And after a few minutes they literally stop using the translater LOL. It was like you figure it out lmao.

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Yes agree and some make that an excuse. One even cut the date short with me saying the communication was an issue. And I have about 30-40% Spanish, not fluent and conversational but certainly enough to get by with basics. So it happens occasionally with ones that are in demand. But most are patient with you, definitely the ones that want a repeat date.

[GeneHickman]

Okay guys this has been the trickiest scammer so far. She even confirmed her identity through video.

A girl on seeking.

1st red flag after agreeing to videoconference she asked for an up front gift so she can have lunch with her girlfriend.

2nd red flag she doesn't show up for the videoconference.

3rd red flag she doesn't reschedule the videoconference and disappears for 4 days after the videoconference.

She says her phone was getting fixed and that's why she was away.

4th red flag all of a sudden she and her girlfriend owe a business partner 200,000 each in a clothing sale. She wants 100,000 upfront through PayPal so she can get rid of this guy who she claims is angry and threatening her.

5th red flag she says she can only come over at 1 AM and since it's a three-hour date it ends at 4 AM. She says she is okay with staying up late. Suuure. Look how sly she is offering to come over at a time when she knows 98% of people would rather be sleeping. I mean what's the hassle can you just come tomorrow at 8 PM so we can all sleep well?

While she is asking for money I mentioned maybe you should do the videoconference this will help us build trust and confidence each other. So she does videoconference and her identity matches the photos. At 12 AM before going to sleep I message her. But of course she doesn't reply even though she said she's available at 12 AM.

6 red flag the next day during the afternoon she asked for 100,000 up front so she can pay the guy and then come over later that afternoon. The lies begin to add up. She claimed the debt would be cleared the previous night and she owed 200,000 not 100,000. And if she owes some much money why doesn't she come over and get her gift? But of course she only wants money up front. After I politely tell her I will only give her presenTS in person, she disappears on Watts app. The app indicates she has received the messages but has not read them.

This girl asked for upfront money and gifts 3 times. Offered to come over at an unreasonable hour. And made up a story with loose ends.

What she doesn't understand is if she were an honest hard-working person that can be friendly around otheRS she would have made the money. Don't let your guard down.

A long winded way of saying, don't send money till the deed is done. I doubt there is a monger here that hasn't heard that. Now whether all of them follow it is another story, but I think everyone has heard it. Where seeking is a little different is it's possibly a sort of hybrid between dating and mongering. Some of that maybe related to the hostile environment to prostitution in the good ole USA. So in order to sanitize it, the lines have to be blurred. So the question is how to look at a date. For me, if the chica is attractive enough, then money spent on a dinner date is a small loss, so I go along, but if it's looking like I ain't getting in those pants, it will be noted and she gets blacklisted.

[GeneHickman]

Interesting ideas that you added to the conversation. Just to add a few more things. Some girls do make money with WebCam. However it isn't an easy answer. Being a cam girl or being associated with these sex industry jobs come with a huge stigma which is very real. There are social emotional consequences. I'm not going to dive deep into the issues but they are in the news and the girls have told me about it too.

Don't believe? They have cried on my shoulder talking about these things.

Don't doubt it, but the same is true for them being a hooker and visiting strangers. I mean doing something like bigo is minor compared to being a puta right. All they have to do is wear a slightly skimpy clothes.The families of many of these Chicas know exactly what they are up to and turn a blind eye to it. I often see family members walk by as they are webcaming. Heck some of their family know they are eating tonight due to that. So they tolerate it. The concept of a young good looking girl hanging out with a wealthy older man often married is fairly well known and even tolerated / ignored in many cultures, and I sense that is the case in Colombia as well. Maybe its a part of the gang culture or something else. But its clearly there and not just with gringos. In fact when I go to fase dos etc. its often more locals, traveling businessmen, older buddies etc.

Finally as societies evolve/develop they tend to ignore these stigmas more and more. They also tend to get less religious.
Being a porn actress 30 yrs ago was far more stigmatized than it is today. And 30yrs ago porn was a lot more benign with just mostly just suck and fuck.
Heck go 30 yrs prior to that and what Marilyn Monroe did was frowned upon. Some of these societies haven't moved as far as the US yet. Let's face it, the more we "lead the world" the more they start to embrace US ideals, good in many ways, but on gender relations we are a complete clusterfuck of a country! I hope we learn from them. But doubtful as a pig is more attractive to me than the average American feminist.

[Member #4665]

Dude what is up with all the BS? Scheduling a videocall? What is wrong with when you are messaging with a chick just saying turn on your cam? And if she is a hooker then say come over and fuck at 8 pm and I will give you Xamountofpesos. What is with all the hemming and hawing? Again I thought the reason to deal with hookers was to cut through the BS. It seems you are keeping yourself around for it. Come fuck or kick rocks. It is simple.

According to reports there are a lot of dangerous criminal women out there. They want to steal and they want to drug their victims. Scheduling a video call is just part of the safety procedure so I don't become a victim of a criminal. the guard gets their ID or I get there ID because I don't do businesss with strangers nor dates with strangers.

[Member #4665]

For the most part, though, taking the working girl who has accepted what she is to dinner is a no win proposition. You are better off saving your money for sex. The exception is the woman who can give me as much pleasure with her company as with her orifices. I grant you such women are very rare.

Hey this is a great post. It shares personal experience. I found a woman that is great in the bedroom and at keeping me company. I found her on my 1st try lookiing for someone. So I always wondered if all women were so great or if there was just some things special about her. would it be hard to find someone like her again?

[Mr Enternational]

Okay guys this has been the trickiest scammer so far. She even confirmed her identity through video.

A girl on seeking.

1st red flag after agreeing to videoconference she asked for an up front gift so she can have lunch with her girlfriend.

2nd red flag she doesn't show up for the videoconference.

3rd red flag she doesn't reschedule the videoconference and disappears for 4 days after the videoconference.

Dude what is up with all the BS? Scheduling a videocall? What is wrong with when you are messaging with a chick just saying turn on your cam? And if she is a hooker then say come over and fuck at 8 pm and I will give you Xamountofpesos. What is with all the hemming and hawing? Again I thought the reason to deal with hookers was to cut through the BS. It seems you are keeping yourself around for it. Come fuck or kick rocks. It is simple.

[Member #4665]

Let us know how all that works out. If you go that route, I know of some stores in Colombia which sell excellent hand creams. You're going to want some nice soft hands, because your hands will end up being your only date.

Next time I'll try to make it clear what I wrote was a joke and satire. I'll explain: I've read several reports where women here charge men more money because they appear to be or addressed like or talk like foreigners. This appears to be a poor practice by this woman. How would 1 of these women feel she went to San Francisco and some guy asked for her birthplace and then told her well I will only pay you $100 per hour because you were born over there not here.

So if having an accent or baseball Hat Represents having to pay more then the joke was I ask the escort if she has a WebCam. Any girl who escorts and has a WebCam is clearly very rich. so I should only have to pay 25,000 per hour.

bad jokes happen.