Medellin Reports

[Mr Enternational]

I am curious, what's the longest relationship you have had with one woman since you started mongering, if that's not too personal of a question?

Depends on what you mean by relationship with one woman. If you mean monogamous then never. I am a kid in a candy store on this planet. If you mean fucking a chick then probably 20 years. I am more of a player than a monger. I have been this way my whole life and most men in my family and my friends are the same way.

From the outside looking in, it appears as though you M. O. Is to do whatever it takes to bed a girl,

I do not care anything about bedding a girl. I just be myself and let nature take its course. Can't fuck all of them.

and then leave her with the knowledge that you "didn't have to pay" as being the standard.

I don't mess with chicks that are expecting payment unless it is a hooker. And if she is expecting payment then wouldn't that mean she is a hooker?

Is it your belief that those same girls never took money from anyone else before or after you?

Never thought about it and would not care. What they do on their own time is their business. Some chicks actually get mad because I don't care about shit like that. I figure you are a grown woman. If you want me to know something then you will tell me.

In your mind, does that make you a "better" or "smarter" man?

Better or smarter? We are all just people doing people shit.

Given the outrageous numbers you infer, it would appear that you mongering is a series of one-offs.

Just doing it to do it. Usually when I go somewhere I know plenty of normal chicks. If I get an inclination to fuck some paid chicks then they are not hard to find; and I do not mind letting a normal chick know that I know where the paid chicks are. (Why would I need to fuck you when chicks are over at such and such fucking for $15?) But I am usually not trying to cozy up to hookers and bring them little gifts as some mongers like doing and do things I would do with normal chicks. I have normal chicks to do friends and couples shit with.

Or do you have one or more anchor girls who your return to but never help them out in any way? Do chicas ever return to you after a period of absence?

Seriously I would not even try to count the normal chicks that I mess with and have been messing with for years. If I took a stab at it then I would just say 50.

They always come back. Recently 2 chicks that I have not heard from in years hit me up. One I did not even know still had my number. She is a Mexican hairstylist chick that lives in California and she happened to be in my city with her friend for a hair convention. When I used to mess with her she was illegal. She ended up getting pregnant and she said it was this other dude's kid. I think she even got married. I was telling her friend if she told her that she cheated on me and got pregnant. She said actually I was cheating on the other guy with you. She said the kid is 11 years old, so that is how long it has been since I have heard from her. And she has papers now because back then she was afraid to travel because she was illegal.

I seem to recall your writing that you don't even believe in buying birthday presents,

I do not buy a begging chick shit. And with over 50 normal chicks how could I possibly "help them out?" Most chicks have jobs anyway and are not needing to be helped out. But yeah I buy things I know they need when they don't ask. One of my ex girlfriends in Bogota has needed some new glasses for at least a few months. She has a boyfriend. I found out about the glasses because she showed up one day with some broken ones. I asked about them and she said she did not have money for new ones. Without telling her, I planned to buy her some new ones but when I was there she was either at work or out of town. Then recently she lost her job. Last week I asked her if she ever got any new glasses and I told her we could go get some the next day. (Her boyfriend saw the message before that when I asked her about going to dinner. She said he got HOT! And he has been helping her out since she lost her job.).

Anyway the next day we met on Calle 19 and got her some glasses. 470,000 pesos. I also gave her 200,000 pesos. Then I took her and her friend to lunch and after we went to the National Museum in Bogota.

And we have not slept together since we were a couple years ago. Me hanging out with someone or doing something nice for them is not contingent upon if we are fucking or not.

Is that a budgetary concern of yours or is it just sticking to your belief system, that as long as you don't pay, then you have proven to yourself (and the world?) that the chica is not a hooker? Is that your primary goal?

I do not have a belief system that as long as I don't pay she is not a hooker. Hell I started messing with a hooker last month in Thailand. After the first night I paid her and later she said not to worry about money anymore. She just wants to spend time with me. So I no longer have to pay her, yet she is still a hooker. She even tells me when she is with customers. No big deal to me. I know she has bills to pay.

I do not have a primary goal. I am just living. I have nothing to prove. I fuck hookers the same as I do normal chicks. There are two songs by the same group that perfectly describe my life with women. S. O. S. Band: Just Be Good to Me and Just the Way You Like It. Some guys view themselves as living in sex prison while other guys can't beat chicks off with a stick.

[JjBee62]

Do you mean to tell me that Colombian elites are not selling their pussies for seven dollars in El Centro?!

Colombian elites aren't selling their pussy. Period.

[Osteoknot]

I completely agree. I think there are a few dynamics at play that contribute to the grey zone and many Paisas being ok with money for sex or gifts.

When I give that "regalito" I'll say something like "tenga esto por su pelo y unas" (take this for you hair and nails). Or "Tu me caiste super bien. Quiero dar te un regalito para ayudar con sus gastos" (I really like you. I want to give you a little gift to help with your expenses).

And I love to throw in, "desde mi corazon" or that my gift is "from the heart". That seems to assuage the transaction further.

The only conceptual difference I perceive in what you wrote is that I see the women as the backbone of this country, and the men not being the strong, role model providers you listed. But I am going by nothing other than my own limited personal experience on that.

[JjBee62]

You sound like a guy who thinks pussy is pussy and sees any woman as a piece of meat. As long as she has a vagina and a pulse, she is good to fuck, right? Have you ever thought that sex could be much better if there is a good connection / chemistry between the two? Difficult to establish one if she is dumb as fuck. But I agree, no references are needed if you are "wham bam thank you ma'am" type of a monger.

In baseball terms that would be "a swing and a miss", but you're so far off the mark you're not even playing the right sport. Didn't you read my post before responding?

I need to ask again. Did you read my post before responding?

Objectively, "pussy is pussy. " Take a look around and you can see it with your own eyes. See that guy kissing his 70 year old wife? See the guy smiling and happy with his 300# girlfriend? All types of people finding sexual satisfaction with all types of people. Pussy is pussy and dick is dick, and everyone has a different opinion on what is attractive.

Subjectively, is a different story. Subjectively I have certain standards. My standards are complex because they might change drastically from day to day. For example, my preference is for petite women, but some days I want a woman with large breasts. I prefer women with long, straight hair, but occasionally I want a woman with curls, or short hair. This all applies when I'm looking for someone to fuck. Chemistry doesn't come into play, but attitude does. She doesn't have to mesh seamlessly with me for several years, or even days. She just needs to be fun to be around for a few hours.

A few hours. Now I could spend months interviewing women, checking their knowledge, politics, religion and everything else, trying to find 1 girl to spend a few hours with, but it might turn out she's sexually a starfish. All the time, effort and money wasted; spending $500 on a $5 lay.

However, there's more to life than just fucking. I've posted many times about different activities with different girls: restaurants, movies, road trips, Guatape, or just hanging out with them and their friends. Not long ago I posted about the 5 days I spent with my girl in Bahia Solano, and more recently about the 5 days I spent with her in the US.

The meat of the subject is whether or not you're mongering. If you're mongering, you're looking for a temporary solution to a physical desire. You're not looking for someone to grow old with, someone to raise your children and provide a loving home. You're looking for someone who will fuck you for money. That's it. You might want to spend hours or days pretending it's something more, but in the end she's getting paid and you're getting laid.

When I'm mongering I understand that. I recognize the reality of P4P and I handle it accordingly.

When I'm not mongering, I'm interested in different qualities. My girl (previously girlfriend*) is intelligent. She comes from a respectable middle class family. She's compassionate and ideologically compatible with me. She understands decorum, while still looking sexy. She thinks for herself, yet submits herself to me. She thinks toward the future instead of living totally in the moment. She handles adversity well.

Most importantly, she was never looking for a john, or a sugar daddy. She wasn't even looking for a boyfriend. You won't find her on Facebook or Instagram and you certainly won't find her in La Isla or on SA.

It's been about 30 months for her to pass all my tests to be my girl. How long it will last nobody knows.

[Recondite]

As I have been saying for quite some time here, the chicas in Medellin are on a continuum. Of course, it's easy to know where you are and what to do when you are at the extreme end of Puta-ville and everything is hard core and only about the money. But as soon as you start moving toward center, it's one continuous shade of gray. Where do you think all this talk about being "polite" to these chicas stems from? It's because they are on a continuum and the default is to not assume they are somehow inferior just because they are willing to accept money for sex. Plus, in their minds, it is often not a direct connection, but an indirect and even circuitous one.
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I completely agree. I think there are a few dynamics at play that contribute to the grey zone and many Paisas being ok with money for sex or gifts.

1) They have more traditional gender roles and dynamics than in the US or Europe and the idea that men are providers is a strong one. I see memes about this all the time on Facebook. A common one is that they are alergic to cheap men or that a good boyfriend gives money for hair, nails etc.

2) There is a tradition of amantes or mozas that is widespread in Latin culture but is especially strong here. Moza specifically is the Colombian term for mistress. A mistress is not a prepago and there is more going on there emotionally and in terms of relationship dynamics. But one of the factors going into those relationships is clearly financial. We tap into that, especially with the older man / younger woman dynamic.

3) Ultimately there is a huge financial and power disparity that should be recognized between the average Colombiana and foriegner. I'm heavily biased towards, at this point exclusively looking for, the nonpros and semipros because I find them to be more enjoyable in every way. But when you talk to these chicas and understand what some of them (especially the more nonpro ones who don't see many foriegners) are going through it becomes clear how huge a difference there is between your life and theirs. Many of the normal girls I met are earning around 1 million pesos a month (250-350 USD depending on the exchange). That goes much farther in Medellin than in the US or Europe. Still, they may be living with their parents, single moms, or are struggling to get by working 6 days a week. It seems obvious that they will see you differently than a guy from their barrio because of that dynamic, especially if you spend half or a third of their monthly salary taking them out. This is something I'm sensitive to too and I don't mind giving a gift to them if I feel like we have a good connection. The ones who are genuine will also look for ways to help you like clean up your place, cook for you, help you find things etc. In my case, the baker I met the last trip is a fitness addict and is currently helping me arrange remote coaching with her trainer.

Now, I'd definitely like to go out with wealthier women in the future. I get the feeling that they would be as close as you get to what we might consider a fully nonpro experience or even them taking you out. The closest I've gotten to that dynamic have been webcam girls. I know two, one in particular who is doing fairly well for herself, and I don't feel much internal or external pressure to give either of the ones I know money beyond taxi fares and money I spend going out with them. I'd stress that I've met both of them on Facebook completely by chance vs. On cam sites and I think they are / were both attracted to me. I imagine going out with a doctor, lawyer, or executive would be similar with a little extra class and higher-brow conversation thrown in.

Finally, if you want to be classy with a nonpro to semipro and make her not feel like she's selling herself don't directly link the money to sex and give them the amount you want / feel comfortable with. When I give that "regalito" I'll say something like "tenga esto por su pelo y unas" (take this for you hair and nails). Or "Tu me caiste super bien. Quiero dar te un regalito para ayudar con sus gastos" (I really like you. I want to give you a little gift to help with your expenses).

[Osteoknot]

This was your response to a post about 7 dollar working girls, in a forum about prostitution.

Valid points that I 100% agree with; but less so in the context of el centro girls.

Building anything beyond a basic rapport with a pro is ill-advised, especially when over 1/8 of pretty young cashiers are ultimately down to sleep with an ugly old fuck like me..

The only point on which I might be disparate is that not all of the El Centro girls are broken little sex dolls. Many, if not most, are. But I had my prototypical El Centro "diamond in the rough" chica here most of the night last night, Pumpkin. She's a Vennie. Got a kid, of course. But there's nothing broken down about her and I have her over to my place all the time with complete trust. I am amazed at the number of technical sexual things I have taught her considering her advocation, but that's probably consistent with why she is not broken down, or "damaged goods" is a phrase that fits well.

Out of curiosity, in your mind is your fuckbuddy who needs help with the bills a hooker or is that just semantics? I am guessing, with your healthy and realistic outlook, that you don't care or think about the labels, and don't feel a need to cubby-hole a chica or make a value judgment based on whether or not she will accept money for sex.

[Elvis 2008]

Brother, as someone who has been to MDE 7 times. And been to every venue you suggested. You should absolutely go to La Isla and Fase dos.

Everyone has a different style of mongering, and if that works for you, go at it. All I can say is I have had girls for 150 mil on past trips and now 200 + taxi and they at times also work at La isla and Gustos. What they get there I don't know or frankly care, but if we meet it's 200 + taxi and I get what I want. Sometimes they will insist and if I really want it, I might go with 250mil.
I don't even discuss rate with those I repeat on subsequent trips. Whether they go with that due to familiarity, a reliable payday, or what I don't know. I don't hesitate to order a meal or even special alcohol they want via rappi, I don't skimp on drinks in the apartment, snacks and stuff like that. I may also take a few small gifts (at the five below store) with me which I give them at the end if I felt things went well. Many even are willing to go round two, but I seldom do because I prefer once since nearing 50 more than money, my leches are at a premium down there..

I have gone GH and I want to compliment you on being a player. With strippers, you pay them full price the first time then you ask around and find out how much they make on a given night. This is where you ask everyone about what a woman makes in a night. Truth is so many times the women are bored shitless in the club, so if you tell them, "Hey, if it is slow and you are bored, just hang out with me instead of working, you will have a lot more fun and still get paid. " If they know you and are comfortable with you, they will do it. After a while, the condoms come off and not love but a superficial type of friendship can emerge.

I posted a hot WG here from Texas wanting $1000 for outcall. Truth is I still have a bevy of strippers who are as hot or hotter and probably better in bed that will do me if I want for 1/3 that amount. I think I have met two strippers who were not fucked in the head but they have amazing talents and not just in the bedroom. When I was at La Isla, there was a gal with flawless skin and toned as fuck who rode the pole as well as any stripper I had seen. She had the body of an Olympic gymnast. Like Miami Boy said, she is going to have a line of guys following her everywhere she goes, so why is she going to go to El Centro?

Strippers can be cool to hang out with. You just do not want to get emotionally involved with them. They are not sugar baby or GF material but friendly WG material, but it sounds like you already have that angle covered.

[Osteoknot]

Definitely serious. You have the same definition as I do, but there are many here whose definition is "I don't pay them outright, I just slip the money into their clothing or purse" or "When I say non Pro I mean a chick who doesn't not normally sell pussy and or this is her first time selling pussy to a gringo" or "On at least two occasions, the girl told me it was the first time in her life she requested money for sex. Is that type of girl a non-pro?" Or "And non-pros are usually willing to fuck you for a very long time without asking for money if they believe your are interested in the long game ("largo plaza" No matter what the status of a girl I have sex with, I always give them a regalo (present), and they never turn me down, presumably because of the way I give them the money. " or "To me a non-pro (non-prostitute) is a chick that does not fuck for money. So it sounds weird for you to say you are looking for chicks that don't fuck for money so that you can pay them for sex."

Works for you. You do you. As you said, there are others who I know don't agree with your definition and those who do. Viva la difference. As long as guys don't project their beliefs onto others as if it's wrong to think otherwise, then there is room for everyone.

I am curious, what's the longest relationship you have had with one woman since you started mongering, if that's not too personal of a question? From the outside looking in, it appears as though you M. O. Is to do whatever it takes to bed a girl, and then leave her with the knowledge that you "didn't have to pay" as being the standard. Is it your belief that those same girls never took money from anyone else before or after you? In your mind, does that make you a "better" or "smarter" man? I have met more than one chica here who have been with guys who don't or won't pay, but they never last more than one or two sessions before they figure out what is going on and move on to someone else. Given the outrageous numbers you infer, it would appear that you mongering is a series of one-offs. Or do you have one or more anchor girls who your return to but never help them out in any way? Do chicas ever return to you after a period of absence? I seem to recall your writing that you don't even believe in buying birthday presents, and such. Is that a budgetary concern of yours or is it just sticking to your belief system, that as long as you don't pay, then you have proven to yourself (and the world?) that the chica is not a hooker? Is that your primary goal?

[Osteoknot]

I love those lights. Bought two for myself in el centro. Fun when girls are with you with music and lights.

Pretty soon, if a chica shows up at your place and you don't have one, it's going to be like, "Donde esta tu bombillo"? Jajajajajajaja.

You guys realize they also double as a Blue Tooth speaker. Obviously not high fidelity, but gets the job done, especially when I take it to a love motel, where I should be headed any minute now, jeje.

[ElPostino]

Interesting day at my favorite love motel where I take my GZGTG (Ground Zero Go-To-Girl) and where MMM (MarvelousMotelMaiden) works. Both have a shot at making my List, MMM more than just a shot, she is a rare jewel but it's becoming increasingly obvious that she needs to be trained, and I don't just mean her sweet holes, but her behavior, too.

Fotos: One thing I really dig about all GZGTG's crotch poses, is that I did not position her, that is a natural resting comfort position for her. I love it when they can get their ass down that low with their legs spread. Easy access to both holes at a great angle. I love the dirty socks, too. She has just the right amount of sluttiness in her, for me.

I love those lights. Bought two for myself in el centro. Fun when girls are with you with music and lights.

[Mr Enternational]

A couple of points. Be careful about generalizing. MDE girls are good about selling a mirage. How many are exactly what they say they are is questionable down there. Lies are more ubiquitous than empanadas.

Dude Rio used to be full of chicks with that same bullshit. All the hookers said they were nurses or lawyers. I do not believe none of that shit until I see it. Once a chick did whip out her law school ID on me. I said oh so that is your real name.

She was beautiful. Maybe she was intelligent because she was in school? But what got me was the broad took Pringles from the minibar and ate them sitting in the toilet. I would not have known except the crumbs were all over the rug in front of the toilet. Then I looked in the trash and saw the can and an empty juice box. And I have been to many normal chicks' houses who are doctors and supposedly intelligent and their shit is a mess.

Dated one Hollywood actress and her house looked like a tornado went through it. I told my cousin who lives out there about it and later on my cousin told me the chick has her own reality show. I told my cousin yeah that is the same house, but they definitely cleaned that mf up for the show.

I guess everyone's idea of high standards is different. But mine does not end with beautiful and intelligent, and most certainly does not include being a hooker.

[Mr Enternational]

Two other sources of income for these girls that is common at some point is webcamming, and simps. Most if not all have done it, considered or propositioned to do it. Just so people understand the landscape. Their attitude may also reflect their current circumstances. In my assessment however, They mostly are 10x better than the average monger in keeping emotions out of it.

A case of familiarity breeding contempt. These chicks are coming into contact with different mfs everyday so how are their emotions going to get involved. As soon as one is gone it is off to another. They do not get time to get used to one person. On the other hand the average monger is mongering 1 or 2 times per year with a limited amount of chicks and can not find love at home. So commences the emotions and simping.

[Osteoknot]

Stellar, groundbreaking session, the impetus was my leaving the country soon and dang if her birthday isn't tomorrow. So we celebrated.

[LebaneseBlonde]

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[JonnyPokerStar]

You sound like a guy who thinks pussy is pussy and sees any woman as a piece of meat. As long as she has a vagina and a pulse, she is good to fuck, right? Have you ever thought that sex could be much better if there is a good connection / chemistry between the two? Difficult to establish one if she is dumb as fuck. But I agree, no references are needed if you are "wham bam thank you ma'am" type of a monger.

This was your response to a post about 7 dollar working girls, in a forum about prostitution.

Valid points that I 100% agree with; but less so in the context of el centro girls.

Building anything beyond a basic rapport with a pro is ill-advised, especially when over 1/8 of pretty young cashiers are ultimately down to sleep with an ugly old fuck like me.

The seven rejections (assuming you're not Calvin Klein material either) should take no more than 15 minutes.

Now you have a cute little nice girl whose pussy smells like water, who cuddles and makes cute noises, is pleasant to talk to and maybe even smart and funny if you speak Spanish, and giggles at her mispronunciations of English words as you correct her patiently, pinching her soft firm cheek or dimpled little chin as a reward for improving the pronunciation. Or whatever, she's your paid fuckbuddy now, do what you want with her. Idk if you guys call this semi or non or what, but I explain it to my friends as a fuckbuddy who needs help with the bills.

This offers much more ROI on the time and energy (and money) you invest in your pursuit of pleasure, even against the risk of coming up empty handed.

But I'm with the first guy, el centro girls are broken little sex dolls and I slap myself for even considering inviting one to my apartment. I hope they find a Sugar, I hope some of you guys treat them nice, but they are not getting more than 30 of my minutes or luca. But they are getting that once a week or so at this point and I give it to them with great enthusiasm.

The standalone topic of el centro girls as people, the outcomes of selling your pussy and doing drugs for a year, how pretty young girls who would be commanding (yes I've seen it) 4 figures USD elsewhere end up selling it for 7 bucks in el centro etc are interesting and heavy topics for somewhere else.