Medellin Reports

[JjBee62]

Gringos and Foreigners shouldn't go to the areas where they do not belong. If you are person at the wrong place and at the wrong time, then you are inviting yourself trouble. It does not matter how strong or big you are. The people are professional criminals at parque botero and its their day and night chore to rob and stab. Usually, the gang come from four directions and two people hold you from behind and few surround you, emptying out your pockets or even stab you if you resist. Please my fellow mongers, there is plenty of fish available in the ocean, but do not go fishing in sharks area.

I have a problem with that. I believe I belong wherever I want to be. Why pay to go to a foreign country and stay within a tiny part of one city? Especially when that area isn't much different from other upper class area of any other city? I can go to El Paso or Miami if I just want to listen to people speak Spanish.

I like Poblado, but I have no desire to spend all my time listening to disgruntled gringos complain because nobody speaks English. I'll hang out wherever feels right at the moment.

[Surfer500]

There is no any good deal at El Centro- I saw it in 20 years. There are only schemes, tricks, and violence. There is no reason why gringos should come to the area. Girls and other funs are available at other areas for similar prices.

Your right, totally, there's no good deals to be had in El Centro and the gringos should stay away.

[Surfer500]

That's it exactly. It takes a certain type of person to enjoy El Centro. There should be a self-evaluation questionnaire to help people decide what area of Medellin and type of mongering best suits them.

I think it would take more like a heavy duty psyc evaluation to determine what type of person would enjoy El Centro. Part of the evaluation would require a "field trip", that would weed out a lot of candidates quickly.

[Surfer500]

Surfer, remember it was the executive branch that dropped the requirement. Then a judge said it had to be implemented. Now a higher court has ruled the lower court decision was not valid. It seems to me that the decision to have to have testing done is immediately voided.

Practically speaking though, I am headed to Colombia soon and will see. I did pay for a PCR test and got one today just to be sure, but I have a feeling it was not necessary.

Apparently there's a Colombian law that you cannot force a Colombian to be subject to being tested, nor foreigners as well which the case was about.

Regardless of whatever the law is, and the interpretation, I think the Colombian Government would be foolish to drop the testing requirement for entry into the Country because of the spread of the new variants. Brazil and poor Italy, it's ugly.

I know there are board members here that won't agree with this, but forget people's political orientation, and if you focus on why we are are here in my case, or others coming here, than the worst thing that can happen is that there is another surge, and based ob ICU capacity, the curfews could start again, and potential lockdowns like before meaning entire weekends / Mondays. And I know other's will say the testing requirement still won't stop things, but it helps as most other Countries require it.

So if the testing requirement helps to avoid hard lockdowns, and with the test no quarantine is required, who would argue with that?

[JjBee62]

Glad that sanity is back on the thread. El Centro is very dangerous during daytime, as well as night time. I am not sure if the area is safer during day. The robbers are paying a cut to the police and local gang, so they are protected. They are well-organized, operate based on division of labor (ie. Marking, diversion, assault, etc) and just implement variety of "standard operating procedures" depending upon the situation, location and target.

In December last year, 4 gringos I knew were attacked with knives during day. Two of them always acted like a "big shot," or tough guy. Also there were a group of newbie gringos at the Veracruz area. In spite of advices from some people, they hang around on the middle of street, drunk beer (locals don't do this), talked / laughed loud to the street people and hookers, some of who looked very young. Everybody was watching them. Again, they acted like a big shot, and eventually two of them had a physical fight with a local punk. Next day, a real organization guy showed up and extorted compensation money (about 300 k peso per person) from the gringos. The gringos paid and left the area in a few days.

There is no any good deal at El Centro- I saw it in 20 years. There are only schemes, tricks, and violence. There is no reason why gringos should come to the area. Girls and other funs are available at other areas for similar prices.

Anyone behaving like you are describing is an accident waiting to happen, whether in El Centro or Provenza. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

On the other hand, there are thousands of good deals in El Centro, not even counting the girls. Plenty of nice cheap places to grab a good meal or a couple of beers. Then pick up a few t-shirts, or a pair of shoes. Don't forget the socks.

While you're down there, snap a few pictures in Botero plaza of the statues and the palace of culture. Take a stroll up to Parque Bolivar and grab a seat in the shade. There are some nice restaurants along the Junin walking street, including Hacienda.

Should you be walking around like a bunch of Japanese tourists on the Vegas strip? No. Should you be loud, drunk and obnoxious? No. Should you be flashing cash and wearing bling, like you're shooting a rap video? No. But if you're willing to act like a responsible adult, pay attention to your surroundings and not act the fool, you can enjoy El Centro.

[PirateMorgan]

She knows and wants her picture published. She is the sweetest street girl I have ever met on the street....and her face is as pleasant as her body and her breasts are just as lovely...and they contain a surprise. She is a nineteen year old Venezulana. [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] No ass holes please. She did not smoke when I saw her.

[Psychman]

. It's no more or less dangerous than any other city of that size at that time of night, which is to say you can find yourself in a bad situation quickly..

The second half this is true--things can go very badly, very quickly. To say it is not dangerous though is just not true, and to stay that it is not any more dangerous than most cities is problematic. Yes, most cities has very dangerous areas--but mostly we avoid them due to not trolling for pussy.

I have, by last count, mongered in over 30 cities in Latin America. I have spent a good deal of time in Medellin over a 15 year period. I am fluent. I handle myself very well. Yet, I am not going to delude myself that walking around Centro at night is putting myself at great risk of getting robbed or hurt. So, at this point of my life--I will pass. If you wish to take the risk, have at it. But to newbies that do not know-- avoid this area at night.

Will you get robbed or beaten? It is statistically probably? Probably not--you will, statistically, probably be fine. But the odds are much greater here at night than in other mongering context, and for very quick, not so GFE sessions (not the rule, but the norm).

I have mongered at one time or another in Gautemala City Zona 1, Comeaguela in Hondruras, parts of Lima that are not so great. I was younger, and not always so wise. All I am saying here is do not minimize the risks.

If you go to the Clubs of el Centro, get in, get out, stay under the radar. Do not be flashy. Follow cultural norms.

[JjBee62]

I agree- to each their own. There were once some maps on the various mongering areas, ranging from SWs to the strip bars and all the assorted massage parlors, but the last one I had was so outdated as to be useless. I'm curious as to areas other than El Centro that has SWs- I've heard of La Majorita, but not quite sure. When I was over there all I saw was trucking companies. Anyone know of more information, or interested in combining forces to create a Google map or something?

It's called La Mayorista, but it's not much. If you take the metro to the Ayura station, get off and go west. It's a few blocks walk to get to the area where the girls are. It's only 2 blocks long and only on the south side. Generally not worth the trip.

[BlackThought]

I assume you are asking about the future? Spain is not open for business last I checked. But for the sake of discussion even in normal times just the remoteness of La Jonquera would set me off, by the time you fly into say Barcelona then get a Ryanair type hot over to Girona you still got a get an hour in a bus or taxi, So then price wise those chicas pimps set the prices (yes they have pimps especially all those ones brought in from Romania, so they want like 50 euro for half hour. Ask these Centro guys what they can do with 50 Euro LOL

Can fly into Dusseldorf, Germany airport and hit up the FKK sauna clubs. Plenty of them go for 40-50 euros per 30 min, BBBJ included. 80%+ romanians.

[RacShack]

Wow Sammy for someone who asked for help you sure know how to show your appreciation. Am I "speculating randomly about things " ? I don't know, am I? Whether you take my advice or not, I could care less, but the 'why we are talking' is because you asked.

I went to La Jonquera in 2018 but I didn't plan a trip to La Jorquera per se, I was already going to be in Barcelona for vacation and made a side trip to La Jonquera (train from Barcelona to Figueres-Vilafant, then a taxi. There is a que right outside the station, about thirty minutes to Club Paradise), which even ended up regretting because for me that town just seems like a huge truck stop. I wish I had researched it more. I spent 70 euro ST on an exceptional looking Romanian and she would not do BBBJ and that alone was a downer.

I went there because I had heard about Club Paradise having like 100 girls working there and it being one of the biggest working girl houses in the world, so I was curious and it seemed like a worthy side trip at the time. And it might be to other people, but just a trip to La Jonquera and no where else would not be for me. If strip clubs and casas are you thing and you plan to do absolutely nothing else on you trip like enjoy culture and find good restaurants (there is no culture and no good restaurants in an overgrown truck stop), La Jonquera as a town is desolate and to me it was like one huge truck stop but the cat houses are at the southern terminus of the "town" and the village part of the town but it is a very small village and there are not a lot of restaurant choices there. Its primary function is really for the French that are in driving distance, to then it is similar to Tijuana is to people in southern California, it is place within driving distance that has cat houses.

Your a better man then me, why you waste of breath on a unappreciated piece of crap but I know why already, if he doesn't appreciate it I have learned (and others) a bit from it if ever that area I would not waste my time going, thanks for the heads up and your insight about that city.

[Mojo Bandit]

So are you basing your analysis on experience, or just speculating randomly about things that you know little to nothing about in reality? If you've been there, I'd like information; if not, why are we even talking?

Wow Sammy for someone who asked for help you sure know how to show your appreciation. Am I "speculating randomly about things " ? I don't know, am I? Whether you take my advice or not, I could care less, but the 'why we are talking' is because you asked.

I went to La Jonquera in 2018 but I didn't plan a trip to La Jorquera per se, I was already going to be in Barcelona for vacation and made a side trip to La Jonquera (train from Barcelona to Figueres-Vilafant 1 1/2 hours, then a taxi. There is a que right outside the station, about thirty minutes to Club Paradise), which even ended up regretting because for me that town just seems like a huge truck stop. . I spent 70 euro ST on an exceptional looking Romanian and she would not do BBBJ and that alone was a downer.

I went there because I had heard about Club Paradise having like 100 girls working there and it being one of the biggest working girl houses in the world, so I was curious and it seemed like a worthy side trip at the time. And it might be to other people, but just a trip to La Jonquera and no where else would not be for me.

If huge cat houses are someone's thing and they want to spend all day in there at 50 to 80 euros per half hour with a girl and do nothing outside of that then have at it, but it is not my thing. I just felt like I spent money for a train and taxi and the better part of the day traveling (I did not want to spend the night after seeing how small the place was) but Medellin has cheaper hoes ( I personally have over 1500 contacts in Medellin which is way more than all the cat houses in La Jonquera) - they are cheaper by a lot, and Medellin has cool neighborhoods to explore like La 70, La 33, Poblado/Provenza, Envigado when not otherwise preoccupied

Now that is my Experience YMMV
This also was before Coronavirus shut everything down in Spain, so I wonder where all those girls have been during this shit, those girls are not exactly locals, the girl I was with said the she had to pay 2000 euro a month to live at the cat house in La Jonquera so one can only speculate on what the situation is, did they stay or did they go back to their home countries, will they all come back once the restrictions are lifted, all remains to be known,

[PrinceMV2]

Is there no travel. Restrictions right now for Colombia? I heard the same about Brazil but not sure about Colombia.

Are you saying that you find it odd that there are a large group of foreigners in Centro? Do these foreigners seem to be mongering. I have heard that because Europe and Asia essentially shut down (my understanding is that Thailand has test requirement and a 14 day quarantine, the test has to be 72 hours before) Medellin is over ran by mongers who might otherwise be in these places, I have no ideal if this case but its a theory that makes some sense.

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[Mojo Bandit]

I find it rather odd but not sure what to think of it. Any thoughts?

Are you saying that you find it odd that there are a large group of foreigners in Centro? Do these foreigners seem to be mongering. I have heard that because Europe and Asia essentially shut down (my understanding is that Thailand has test requirement and a 14 day quarantine, the test has to be 72 hours before) Medellin is over ran by mongers who might otherwise be in these places, I have no ideal if this case but its a theory that makes some sense.

[Knowledge]

Actually there have been government subsidies and special payments, albeit not on the level of what's been paid in North America and Europe. The reason it is not much of a crime deterrent in Centro is many of the denizens are not eligible because of nationality or because they have been off the grid size birth. A practical tip I can offer is try to avoid having passersby at your back. You will notice girls and their hangers on tend to keep their backs against walls, trees, or the sculptures. It helps prevent you being surrounded and caught unawares. Situational awareness is your friend in Centro.

I think the handle charm city dave gives me the ultimate authority on Baltimore and I knew Central well (pre-pandemic anyway). I used to go to Centro all the time (during the day) though haven't been in about a year. I used to have an office in the Inner Harbor in Baltimore but haven't gone into the city since Freddie Gray. The cops in Baltimore now offer NO protection will just roll up after the incident and take a report. The thugs know it. Every other punk is strapped.

[Knowledge]

There are many plainclothes national police and officers from the adolescent, family and child welfare brigade in addition to the many uniformed police. The area is also blanketed by closed circuit television cameras.

Parque Botero has the highest concentration of cops I have seen anywhere in Colombia. And they are in groups. Ordinary Colombians love to go there to get pictures by the fat statues. For some reason women love to give this guy a hand job as you can see there is no tarnish on his junk. Go a couple of blocks in the wrong direction and you could be in trouble.