Medellin Reports

[Knowledge]

This is what I was trying to say.

Where there are more tourists there will be a higher number of crimes involving tourists. So I don't think it was intended as advice to go to other parts. The actual crime rate is highest in the downtown area. But for crimes targeting tourists of course that would happen in the areas where there are more tourists.

[PolloNegro]

I am posting to the guys who are wondering and wanting to learn what's really available in our Magical Medellin. Asti Out.

Oste really tries to help the new mongers. His stories seem so outlandish that they couldn't possibly be true? I have had the honor of hanging with him many times in Centro. I can tell you he was never in danger and I know danger in centro. The girls who I saw him with and the people who I saw him around posed no threat to him. They really treated him with respect and his is not a big brawny guy, he just knows how to handle himself around people and they respond respectfully to Oste.

I am posting the price of many of the phones in Medellin so that you can see the true value of a phone when you look at it from a Centro Rat's perspective. For kicks and giggles lets say you bought 40 phones into Colombia at a price tag of $1000 usd. Lets say you were able to sell everyone or if you were to trade every one or if you got robbed for a few, would it really matter?

I can personally tell you that I had a girl whom I really liked to keep a suitcase for me, so that I wouldn't have to travel with my suitcase on future trips. I was also testing her to see if she would steal the suitcase. Just as sure as Tuesday comes after Monday, I never saw the suitcase again and the suitcase had 8 brand new cell phones in the suitcase. Was I mad, no, did I bang the chic any more after that? Yes, but I never gave her an opportunity to have access to anything she could steal from me.

Now as Oste likes to say, Pollo, you are a true business man, I we have a running joke between us both. I just like to earn money when it is right in my face. So, imagine for every $25 usd you spend, someone pays you $175-$200 usd and you are saving them more than 50% on the price of the item in Colombia.

I won't beat a dead horse or explain the obvious, but there are some of us who are having a ton of fun in Medellin at a minimal price. I have been traveling to Colombia for 5 years, I now own a home, motorcycle, soon to buy a car, and who knows what is next. I paid attention, learned, paid my dues and stayed within the laws of Colombia and Medellin. If the loss of a couple of cell phones will have your underwear in a not, maybe you shouldn't be in the mongering game. You win some and you lose some. But you don't have to call your friendly board member a lie, because you are not able to accomplish what he is! Pollo Negro is out!

[Knowledge]

My stock response is that classic bit of Colombian insincerity: "que pena. ".

Not judging anyone on whether they buy or don't buy phones. BUT has almost every working girl had her phone stolen? I have heard this so many times in Medellin and San Jos. They all have have kids or mothers who are sick or just had electric or water cut off for non payment and they all have had their phones stolen. I just don't believe it. I think many of them may sell them for money or had an old cheap phone and want someone to buy them a new expensive one. Or they are just so fkn tonta and careless because they didn't spend their own money to buy it. You would think that they know a new iPhone or equivalent is a target so you would think they would hide it rather than show it off. That's one thing everyone here knows and says as advice. Carry a cheap phone or don't show what you have. Don't give the papaya. Another one is a cam girl who will tell you she got robbed on payday. All ploys to get free money or gifts in my whatever it's worth opiniand. I have given an old iPhone that I bought for a $100 for traveling away and it was well worth it. Once again, I just can't believe they all get their phones stolen and have so much sickness in their family.

[Knowledge]

Everyone gets to decide for themselves. In general terms, more gringos means more gringo crime victims. In specific terms there are many kinds of gringos. Some are more prone to becoming victims than others. I believe it boils down to a risk / benefit equation. Certain behavior that attracts attention brings more risk. I'm ignorant of what associated benefit there may be but I am always interested in learning.

So go to the hood then?

[KrunkMan4]

I couldn't disagree more with this reasoning. It's true that opportunists go to areas like El Poblado looking for targets, but throwing yourself into the mix in high crime areas like Manrique and most areas of Bello with little police presence, loads of poverty and plenty of potential perps about for the most part carries higher risk, especially if you are out late partying and like most are unable to blend in. That said there's little stats for this as most foreign victims don't report the crimes. Plus there's little sampling in one respect as few are dumb enough to go up the hill to Manrique to party. Even remotely honest hookers would advise against it.

So moral of the story? Be wary of personal testimonies in monger forums. Many are unreliable, plus some are just in ISG posting for fun, making stuff up, and have never been to Colombia. Plus if true one person's limited experience is insufficient to draw conclusions as they could run out of luck tomorrow.

The whole "machismo" aspect of "I get girls to fuck for free with just my hard cawkkkk". Feels strong in this thread. There are those that seem well edtablished with evidence but like I said before the whole crabs in a barrel feeling between men is quite powerful which I find extremely obnoxious. There will never be a time when the average ham and egger 9 to 5 er in America will be like "lets go to Colombia" Because in any war torn country of the past there will always be dangers and 95 % of Americans or even Western Europeans can't handle an environment without extremely government over regulation to protect them from thier own stupidity and familiarity with a McDonalds to spoon feed them at every corner particularly in the US.

So this idea of needing to keep 2nd teir specific safety knowledge a secret aside from general knowledge is stupid. Obviously, there is 1st tier generalized safety knowledge but in an environment where crime is rampant and to a certain extent idealized. 2nd tier specific knowledge is invaluable.

[Surfer500]

Many may not relate but I can. I am just like that. I give girls iPhones. I call them my steadies. I see them on every trip for a year at least and some for 3 years and going. After 2 years they just bring friends and come. I just pay taxi money. It is a long game for me which is not so For many guys so it may not make sense for them to start doling out iPhones. I chose who I give to. She has to be pretty, no drama, never cancel on me, be smart. For example I organize parties and one of my steadies takes care of the entire logistics. She sends me photos and I approve some of her friends and invite few more of my own. She then organizes invites, RSVP, Rappi, taxi payments, late night pizza, party supplies and most importantly she keeps an eye on things, and make sure place is clean etc. They stay overnight for the price of ST. There is a real friendship element there and not just about the phone. Phone happens because of friendship and not the other way. So all outlier spending should have some context. I typically buy one or two models down from the latest and they are very happy with that. I bought nearly 20 phones in 5 years..

You sound as though you vetted your girls very well before giving these girls phones, and the pay off is huge.

Makes sense to me, but not everybody has had such luck. A lot of times guys get so enamored with the sex with these Chicas that they want them available, so hence buying them a phone makes sense before they've truly vetted them like you.

I've done exactly what you've done for a few of my Chicas, but it wasn't "I" phones, but a good $ 100 USD smart phone and the pay off has been huge, ie; the long game as you mention.

For guys totally enamored, getting a girl a used phone makes more sense, especially for the ones not vetted.

[Surfer500]

Saturday I decided to spend the night in Provenza with one of my Chicas whom I call Tall because she is tall. I like others her have nicknames as well for my Chicas based on their attributes.

I booked a room in a boutique hotel in Provenza of which there are a lot of them all over the area. I've stayed in several of them and consider a lot of them to be Love Hotel's, not in the sense you rent them for short time, but some are totally set-up for fucking meaning there is a king size bed, flat-screen TV, and aircon. Some of them have lots of mirrors, and I especially like the see thru showers at some of them. Kind of like perhaps Deseo's in Centro over half a century ago as far as the latest and greatest. I wonder some times if any of the mirrors on the ceilings there have ever fallen off, I'm sure they have. I've taken Tall to Provenza before, and the first time she was asking me what the mini-split AC unit was, what the exhaust fan in the bathroom was, and in one new place what the fire sprinkler system was. Of course she loved shampooing her hair, with hot water, and had never used a hair dryer before on her long beautiful hair.

Provenza is a barrio directly above the LLeras area with a lot of really good places to eat. My favorite there is Sombombi, and they hit it out of the park on Saturday. They change their menu every few weeks with some of the same, but always something unique on the menu. Last night I had some killer Sierra along with an incredible salad and a chicken dish. The place is very unpretentious, I've never seen a menu in English, but one or two people speak some English. The patrons are primarily Colombians, and the pricing is very reasonable as most dishes average about $ 10 USD. This place is very different than Carmen's and I think the food is just as good at a fraction of the price.

There are several other excellent places to eat in and around Provenza which I consider the fanciest part of Poblado for fine dining, versus the " dining dumps" in and around Parque Lleras. There's a bridge / intersection directly by the Quebrada that will have hundreds of tables / chairs set outside for dining in the streets as shown in the photo. To get to Provenza you walk up Calle 10 about four blocks up from Lleras and enter the area to the right, there will be a sign.

Forget going to Provenza to monger, you can go to the LLeras area for that.

[Osteoknot]

I am with you on this. I have had girls that I've been seeing regularly over 5+ years, but none of them gave me any freebies, nor brought friends for some fun. I am very much aware that if I were to stop providing the goodies, the fun will stop for me.

That similar actions can produce different results in different mongerers. I won't go into the reasons why, it's multifactorial.

As far as a right to expressing opinion, of course everyone also has that coming to them, but when they cross the line projecting their opinion and experience over to others as dogma, that,'s when I will step up and tell you it's not necessarily so.

Everything's fine when you (not you, figure of speech, I'm voice texting on my new smartphone) speak for yourself but when you start speaking for others as dogma, then you better be damn sure. I don't speak for others on this topic and I can tell you the ones who do, are not sure. Perhaps they might feel they are doing a a valuable public services or warning others and some do need that advice, I can understand and appreciate that.

[Osteoknot]

Not judging anyone on whether they buy or don't buy phones. BUT has almost every working girl had her phone stolen? I have heard this so many times in Medellin and San Jos. They all have have kids or mothers who are sick or just had electric or water cut off for non payment and they all have had their phones stolen. I just don't believe it. I think many of them may sell them for money or had an old cheap phone and want someone to buy them a new expensive one. Or they are just so fkn tonta and careless because they didn't spend their own money to buy it. You would think that they know a new iPhone or equivalent is a target so you would think they would hide it rather than show it off. That's one thing everyone here knows and says as advice. Carry a cheap phone or don't show what you have. Don't give the papaya. Another one is a cam girl who will tell you she got robbed on payday. All ploys to get free money or gifts in my whatever it's worth opiniand. I have given an old iPhone that I bought for a $100 for traveling away and it was well worth it. Once again, I just can't believe they all get their phones stolen and have so much sickness in their family.

I think there was one family by the time I ended up replacing all the "stolen" phones probably everyone in three generations had a phone, jajaja. Including grandma and the dog!

Chew on that one for awhile mi amigos, jajajajaja.

[Lefeu]

If it gets to the point where they are serving up themselves plus their friends to you for nothing but taxi money then a one or two year old Iphone might be a decent investment. That's very unusual in this game though, graduating from paid to "free," or all the sex plus their friends that you want for an Iphone. I'm confident this is very rare though, regardless of any anecdotes we may read here. Gifts are just that in the mind of a Latin hooker. You get a "mucho gracias" most likely then are charged the same for any sex going forward while they will become much less shy about asking for more gifts, material or monetary.

...Lastly, though there are always rare exceptions to all rules, the typical guy who thinks these girls are his friends is abundantly deluded. "This one is different," no, she almost surely is not. And yes, guys like myself who don't roll that way have a lot of fun like many others but avoid some avoidable headaches. Girls may like some guys who give them whatever they want, but they don't respect them. And even any personally liking will go down the shitter the moment the goodies stop flowing. So that's the other side of the argument, that has a place in an open forum as well.

Enjoy gentlemen.

I am with you on this. I have had girls that I've been seeing regularly over 5+ years, but none of them gave me any freebies, nor brought friends for some fun. I am very much aware that if I were to stop providing the goodies, the fun will stop for me.

[Osteoknot]

I hear what you are saying and at the end of the day its your life and your money so do with it as you please. Buying a chica 1 phone is one thing and I wouldn't be against it down the road if the vibe is right. But if she ever lost it or got it stolen unless I saw it right in front of my eyes, I would never buy her a phone again.

Very few of us are going to agree on these examples nor should we. Sharing can be fun and I learn a few things along the way.

I know it seems like I'm obsessed on psychological defense mechanisms, but only because projection and denial run rampant here.

[Mtndew704]

I admit it sounds outlandish, mostly from guys projecting themselves into my situation. Saying it's a "waste" or some other value judgement is irrelevant, unless the poster is speaking for himself only. I would do it all again, but I have slowed the pace a bit, jajajaja. I get it, very hard for other guys to relate to a situation they would never consider, or just as, if not more likely, be able to complete even if they wanted to do so. Not saying you do.

The first step in psychologically protecting one's sense of self, is to reject concepts and behaviors that are too foreign for to conceptualize into one's own thought processes. That is mostly what is going on here, and not any real harm or waste or bad behavior.

I hear what you are saying and at the end of the day its your life and your money so do with it as you please. Buying a chica 1 phone is one thing and I wouldn't be against it down the road if the vibe is right. But if she ever lost it or got it stolen unless I saw it right in front of my eyes, I would never buy her a phone again.

[JjBee62]

Use Google Translate on our smartphones. Use the word "oral" for blowjobs. There are other tidbits. Love and sex really is a universal language and you can get a lot to done with body language and the eyes, but if you don't speak Spanish, you will need to use Google Translate, on-line. I recommend downloading the app and not just connecting to the Google Translate Web page.

Earlier this week, I took delivery on a new Google Pixis 6 smartphone knowing that one of its features was that it does not need to be connected to the Internet to use the Spanish translator, it's preprogrammed. The phone also has dual-SIMS so you can drop in a SIM card from a local Colombian provider without losing the functionality of your carrier from the USA on the embedded eSIM. However, a fellow mongerer tells me this dual-SIM feature will not work in Colombia, for Google phones, yet. So that funcitionality remains to be seen for me, I will try it on my next return trip and report back.

You can download any language to your phone with Google Translate so it's available offline. You can do the same with areas in Google Maps.

[JjBee62]

Not judging anyone on whether they buy or don't buy phones. BUT has almost every working girl had her phone stolen? I have heard this so many times in Medellin and San Jos. They all have have kids or mothers who are sick or just had electric or water cut off for non payment and they all have had their phones stolen. I just don't believe it. I think many of them may sell them for money or had an old cheap phone and want someone to buy them a new expensive one. Or they are just so fkn tonta and careless because they didn't spend their own money to buy it. You would think that they know a new iPhone or equivalent is a target so you would think they would hide it rather than show it off. That's one thing everyone here knows and says as advice. Carry a cheap phone or don't show what you have. Don't give the papaya. Another one is a cam girl who will tell you she got robbed on payday. All ploys to get free money or gifts in my whatever it's worth opiniand. I have given an old iPhone that I bought for a $100 for traveling away and it was well worth it. Once again, I just can't believe they all get their phones stolen and have so much sickness in their family.

What you believe doesn't change what is, and it's not important.

It doesn't matter what need some girl has, or claims to have. What matters is whether or not you want to give what she's asking for. If you don't want to, tell her no. If she persists, block her.

If you think you will somehow profit from giving, you're almost certainly wrong. The only guaranteed return on your investment is that the girl will ask you for something else.

[Paulie97]

Where there are more tourists there will be a higher number of crimes involving tourists.

Which of course does nothing to make the case that it's a better idea to be the one obvious North American out partying in Manrique. It's just a Captain Obvious moment with no useful takeaways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am3FjwsNqXc