Medellin Reports

[YippieKayay]

We met a gringo sitting on a bench telling us we should never pay more than 50K. He claimed he has a database of every chicas and he is a lawyer working for US government.

OK. I'll bite. Is he maintaining that database for the US government?

[Surfer500]

Surfer, your saying it's only 30 k for girls in centro. What do these chicks look like for that cheap. If I stay at Hotel Botero which was recommended here are they all around there just walking. What's the scene like. Once this virus thing is over I'm going. Had to cancel my flight 2 weeks ago because of the quarantine.

I honestly cannot recommend the El Centro street scene for the majority of the members on this board, I say this based on the following.

1 The beauty of the girls working the streets in El Centro isn't all that great, however there are a few diamonds in the rough, but you have to spend a lot of time there to find them. A lot of guys want women with beautiful faces, that is their first criteria, so El Centro is not going to work for them. For guys like me, the women's bodies are more important followed by their facial features, but at the end of the day, their attitudes trump everything. Most guys wouldn't go with the girls I go with, not pretty enough, etc. I am not there to fuck their faces, but to be with girls that are totally into it. You mentioned 30 K girls in El Centro, just about every single one of them will go for 30 k, if not for less than that, especially the Venezuelans. But in my case, I pay my regulars between 40 -60 K, and that will be for a couple of hours, and I get the full "Monty" for that. For a guy showing up for a week, he will be hard pressed to develop a stable that quickly of regulars.

2. Spanish speaking skills a must or your going to have a difficult time. There are guys here that have declared it not necessary, but it is. I struggle myself at times with my Spanish, but it makes a huge difference.

3. Experience dealing with SW's, guys with not a lot of SW experience are going to go thru a learning curve. In other words, it's not like going to a Casa where the drill is pretty much set or a bar, etc. Your dealing with total freelancers and you need to learn how to interview them, at least I do, which takes Spanish speaking skills, and know "red flags" to look for when going with new girls.

4. It's sleazy and dirty in El Centro, some guys are not cut out for that.

I'm not trying to scare you off from El Centro, I am just trying to give you some things to consider. There are members on this board like myself who thrive on the place, where as others that stick with either FayBoo Chicas, casa's, or clubs.

[Nounce]

Surfer, your saying it's only 30 k for girls in centro. What do these chicks look like for that cheap. If I stay at Hotel Botero which was recommended here are they all around there just walking. What's the scene like. Once this virus thing is over I'm going. Had to cancel my flight 2 weeks ago because of the quarantine.

You will hear different prices. 30 K is a common price. 50 K is also common.

Some rare gems may show up once in a while and they may ask a lot more, then they are gone and you won't see them again. I personally have never paid 30 K but that maybe because I never bargain. One time I agreed to 30 K but was asked for 40 K after the session. I just paid it. Another time that I have reported before, I was quoted 30 K one day, the next day it is 50 K.

We met a gringo sitting on a bench telling us we should never pay more than 50K. He claimed he has a database of every chicas and he is a lawyer working for US government.

[Surfer500]

I so far do not regret my decision at all. We will see how this plays out. I think the worst case scenario is I will have some slow days here and there. I'm less worried about it after yesterday because I know I will have my pick of Centro's ground zero.

Yep your going to get the "pick of the litter" for sure. Just be very careful please, your like this boards only war correspondent on the ground, and if I was there I would be out lurking around as well.

I know other guy's in Medellin who are afraid to leave their apartments, so again, please be careful.

[AdventureSeekr]

Surfer, your saying it's only 30 k for girls in centro. What do these chicks look like for that cheap. If I stay at Hotel Botero which was recommended here are they all around there just walking. What's the scene like. Once this virus thing is over I'm going. Had to cancel my flight 2 weeks ago because of the quarantine.

I've walked through a handful of times around 11 am and 3-4 pm on different days and hung around for a couple hours each time and never seen anything I liked or would smash for free. I know a few others who feel the same way but I do imagine if you really put in the time and are staying in the area where you could walk through 4-6 times a day, once in a awhile you're bound to find something you like. I think too that the top picks are probably not on the street long, they're in sessions so you got to get lucky on timing. They're not walking around, they're kind of just posted up and standing around, or sitting inside the stairwells to short term hotels. It's pretty obvious who is working and I've seen the same girls there on different days.

[GringoItaliano]

This first leg of my recent trip to Colombia was my third visit to Medellin; please see my separate posts for an overview of my whole trip (which I have already posted on the General Thread) and a more detailed report on Cali (which is forthcoming on the Cali thread). I planned and executed the Medellin leg of my trip differently from before in two key ways, both which yielded more favorable net results than my last trip and renewed my interest in Medellin. I now feel like I have experienced Medellin in the way that most other posters have described. I hope to come back once travel conditions return to some semblance of normalcy.

The first key change was to cut the cord from the sheltered environment of the Mansion, where I stayed on my two previous trips. I had limited myself to the Mansion for security and logistical reasons, the on-site talent pool, and intel sharing with other mongers. In retrospect, this self-imposed restriction was a huge hindrance, if only for the fact that the Mansion's finite number of rooms require one to book well in advance, whereas chica-friendly apartment rentals are generally available on shorter notice. Recent changes at the Mansion, including the separation of La Cueva bar from the hotel proper and the admission of outside guests into that bar for a cover charge, made it a less desirable lodging option for access to its on-site talent pool. The quality of accommodations at the Mansion are poor value for the money by local standards, including the reliability and speed of the Wi-Fi, which was critical to enable me to work remotely and thus avoid using vacation time. I also came to accept the limitations of intel sharing with other mongers and the unpredictability of many paisas, and I concluded that the online resources at my disposal (including this one) would be sufficient for my intel sharing purposes. More generally, I had been around Colombia enough, including two subsequent trips to the (in) famous Santa Fe red light district in Bogota, to feel confident enough branching out on my own in Medellin.

I decided to stay in a unit belonging to Poblado Rentals, a reputable and long-standing source of chica-friendly apartment rentals. Since this trip was my first time staying outside the Mansion, it made sense to be conservative and go with a well-known company catering to mongers, rather than some random AirBnB host. I also thought that it would make sense to stay in the familiar neighborhood of Poblado again, albeit in a different part of it. I stayed in one of their buildings close to Parque Poblado and within walking distance of Parque Lleras. I was happy with the unit and the staff and would be happy to stay in one of their units again. If nothing else, having an actual living room with a couch helped me to get to know the girls a bit before getting down to business, as I might have done at the Mansion, and the jacuzzi was useful too. Nonetheless, I might stay in Laureles on my next trip, if only for the sake of variety and in order to be in a location more convenient for the girls to reach me more easily. The gringo / hipster scene around Parque Lleras got old quickly, although I liked the Medellin Beer Factory.

The second key change was in the talent pool from which I drew. On my first trip, I sessioned almost exclusively with girls I met on-site at the Mansion. On my second trip, I focused on well-known Facebook girls, with a handful of girls that I met on-site at the Mansion as backups. I planned to branch out further on this trip to include well-known Facebook girls, Facebook girls on whom I had some intel from online resources, and Facebook girls on whom I had no intel at all from any source. I had long been skeptical of Internet pipelines and strongly preferred in-person venues, if only for the opportunity to vet the girls physically and socially, assess chemistry, and "kick the tires," so to speak. I only accepted Internet pipelines in Colombia reluctantly because I liked Colombians so much, and I still wanted reviews and intel from other mongers to compensate for the inability to check them out in person before they show up at my door. I finally came to accept that paisas are simply too unpredictable to let the presence or absence of intel on them have such a huge impact on my selections, and I felt that I was comfortable enough vetting them online myself to forego intel on them. More importantly, I found that it was often prohibitively difficult to schedule an appointment with any particular well-known girl at any one time. I just went with whichever one of my candidates was available when I had a free time slot, although I did give preference to the more reputable ones.

In retrospect, this revised approach was one of the soundest decisions I made and put me on a course to be even more accepting of the inherently unpredictable and chaotic nature of this hobby. Indeed, my worst session this week was with a very well-known Facebook girl with a very positive reputation, and many of my best sessions were with girls that had no previous track record that I could find in any online mongering resources. I have read many complaints here about so many mongers fucking the same small talent pool of the same well-known Facebook girls over and over again. I never saw that tendency as a problem until now, as I have discovered the virtue of finding my own talent, and I have come to accept that trying to predict the unpredictable is often self-defeating. I developed my own online vetting techniques, but I found that even those had their own limitations as well. One of the new girls in whom I had the highest hopes turned out to be a total flake, and one of the girls about whom I had some serious doubts turned out to be one of my best finds ever. Go figure.

Scheduling and timing turned out to be the biggest problem on this trip. I had my taste of the paisas' infamous tardiness on my last trip, when well-known Facebook girls might be as much as 30-45 minutes late for citas at the Mansion, but that was about as bad it as it got. Scheduling girls and getting them to show up on time – not late, and not early either – was a much bigger headache this time. The difference was so pronounced that there must have been a reason for it, and I wonder if it had anything to do with staying outside the Mansion or picking less-known or unknown girls. Ironically, though, my most egregious case, a girl who did not show up at all and did not even bother to try to explain herself until 48 hours later, was a girl that I had seen before and had a quite positive track record. I thought that repeats were supposed to be more reliable, but I guess not. My second-most egregious case was a girl who showed up more than three hours late on a Monday night, citing heavy traffic. In that three hours, I had already contacted one of my alternate girls, and she got to my apartment from the same barrio as my original choice within one hour of my request, fucked me, and left by the time that my original girl arrived. What I did not expect was that many girls were very early – not 5-10 minutes early, but 30-40 minutes early. I had heard of early arrivals before, but I had no idea that they would be both so early and so frequent. I thus made a point of showering and grooming myself 1 hour before the time of the cita, just in case the girl was as much as half an hour early.

I also learned the hard way that planning too far in advance, in the hopes of ensuring access to a particular girl, is often an exercise in futility. I found that the further in advance once schedules a cita, the less likely it is to happen as planned, as there are so many things that can happen in between the time that one schedules it and the time it is supposed to occur. In contrast, last-minute scheduling of a cita is most likely to succeed, as there are fewer obstacles that can crop up between the time that you schedule the cita and the time that the girl is supposed to arrive. The problem with this approach is that it often encourages one to write to multiple girls at once – so which one do you choose, if more than one of your prospects is available? The one that answers first? Or do you wait around for the one that you like more to write back – but if you do wait, for how long? Whichever one you choose, how do you explain to the other ones that you are actually busy now, after you just asked for an immediate cita half an hour ago? Do the girls even care if you come off as flaky, or do they consider that normal?

Now for the bottom line – on average, I would rate the girls' performance as higher than that of my selection of well-known Facebook girls on my last trip, albeit with more fluctuation and variation. On both of my previous stays at the Mansion, I found that the service was consistently at least satisfactory or OK; it was rare for a girl to distinguish herself or really knock it out of the park, but I never had any duds either. This time there were several girls that really distinguished themselves and knocked it out of the park, but there were also a few duds. I was comfortable with this trade-off, as I think it yielded better results overall. It may have also validated my decision to rely less on online intel from other mongers, as one of my duds was well-known and had a positive reputation, and some of my best performers were little known or totally unknown in my various online resources.

One area in which I have found Colombians are often weaker performers is blowjobs, which are probably more important to me than they are to many other mongers. Indeed, the weak or half-assed head game of many Colombians has been a significant factor in keeping me from returning to Colombia more frequently than I might have otherwise. On this Medellin leg of my trip, however, the weak or half-assed head game seemed to have disappeared; on average, the head game was much better than on my last trip, when I used reviews and intel from other mongers online to find the girls with the best head game. I fared much better this time just rolling the dice, but the difference was so pronounced that I have a hard time believing that it was a coincidence and not a product of some factors that I cannot identify. Perhaps the simple answer is that my revised approach yielded better performers and performances in general, including better head game, but the improvement in their head game was more pronounced than in other areas or overall. I am curious to hear anyone else's explanation.

[TjBrazil]

Surfer, your saying it's only 30 k for girls in centro. What do these chicks look like for that cheap. If I stay at Hotel Botero which was recommended here are they all around there just walking. What's the scene like. Once this virus thing is over I'm going. Had to cancel my flight 2 weeks ago because of the quarantine.

[Knowledge]

I so far do not regret my decision at all. We will see how this plays out. I think the worst case scenario is I will have some slow days here and there. I'm less worried about it after yesterday because I know I will have my pick of Centro's ground zero.

Shit I should of stayed in Medellin, sounds like a total buyers market in El Centro, and if I were to get stopped walking there I would pull out a Tienda 1 market bag and say I'm shopping at the Tienda 1 in El Centro, 1/2 block down from the corner where all the hookers congregate down from the Church.

[Knowledge]

Except for unusually light traffic, today looks and sounds like a normal day in Medellin. It will be very interesting to see what tomorrow brings. I don't know if it will be possible for the government to put the genie back in the bottle. Every hour that goes by today the city feels more normal.

I'm not going to be going out of my way to be in any big crowds.

Shit I should of stayed in Medellin, sounds like a total buyers market in El Centro, and if I were to get stopped walking there I would pull out a Tienda 1 market bag and say I'm shopping at the Tienda 1 in El Centro, 1/2 block down from the corner where all the hookers congregate down from the Church.

[PunkedLife]

Trust me the girl is only 85-90 lbs tops. You're looking into way too hard, plenty BMs have seen this chic. Great in bed, but usually not my type. But we all have our opinions, nice try buddy. Only thing done to this photo was resized to be loaded up. Quick question what would I gain by altering her photo? If you're not here you damn sure can't meet her but to satisfy your Curiosity PM. & I can give you a up close look at her so you can cut the photo shopping foolishness out! Pollo negro is out!

So people come on here and post reviews about catching a different unicorn or two every day they happen to be in Medellin. Doesn't post any pics. Refuses to give any info on these fictional characters because "they don't want to share." Doesn't have not one bad experience. Girls seem to be falling in love with them after a few hours of probably mediocre sex and putting her up on a pedestal. At least for the girls that happen to actually exist. All this and more and no one says anything. Now someone posts several pics and now ya'll want to call BS. I swear this shit can't get any more hilarious than this. Go head please keep it up ya'll. Give us some more entertainment during this quarantine. SMDH.

[Junior11]

Thanks for the tip. Fingers crossed 🙂.

You probably watched Duque's cabinet address tonight. They went over the rules again. The loophole is the girl has to be out to buy food or medicine. If stopped she just needs to say she is headed to pick up a cash loan to buy food or medicine. If she is alone and dressed modestly the police won't bother her. Give it a day or two, when the food and money really gets low I think you will find they become more adventurous.

[SJobs]

First of all, nicely done on this girl, she is smoking hot. Fuck, looking at her from a fucking screen in California make me want to kill myself. I don't think the photos you posted is photoshopped.

Many BMs feel like you have to treat these girls like humans and blah blah blah. I am the first to tell you, if you show any kind of weakness to these girls, they will take you for just that, a weak individual. I have helped girls, met their parents, grandparents, family and friends, they still saw the Gringo as weak person who they could take advantage. Soon as I learned what the cost of living was in Medellin, things quickly changed.

I believe every human being deserves to be treated with respect. Since when did treating a cute girl with care and respect a show of weakness?

I guess great minds and evil minds all think alike. I'm not judging here. If you want to fuck a girl that you consider sub-human, go right ahead.

If you can blow $10,000 a month on girls and party habits, by all means you should have the funds to return to Medellin whenever you get ready. **Personally, I have asked about Thailand and couldn't get a straight answer about the pricing, so I decided to not travel Pattaya and Bangkok because no one could give me the answers that I was looking for. So I remain in Medellin and I am quite happy. If there is ever a place that has as many women and the women are as reasonable as Medellin then I might give it a try, but when one person tells me that Thailand is a little bit more, and another says its about the same, given the travel time and the time it would take me to learn the surrounding area, I'll be stuck in South America until the right wing man comes along and wants to take me out East and show me around. **Here is a little thing that I have been banging daily and she even came over during this Quarantine to bang my brains out for 3 hours for $120, only because she had to pay for a taxi back to her barrio. Pollo Negro is out!

In my opinion, Medellin is infinitely better than Thailand.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Trust me, pattaya, thailand is very impressive. Asian women have very beautiful skin, sexy eyes, and great legs. In addition most speak english. I was impressed with lleras park but soy 6 and walking street is mind blowing with immensity. I was a doubter. But here is nice too. I like to see different countries so africa and Brazil next. If the coronavirus is defeated.

Depends on what you're looking for. That is what I thought I had to see Pattaya from all the talk about it. If I had it to do over I would have saved my money and time, it was wasted. Prices 50-100% higher than P. I. Mainly due to the lack of freelancers (selection was poor on Beach Rd. And way over priced, imo). Bar girls could not be separated from the obligatory bar fines. IMO only a dummy pays in advance for what he MIGHT or MIGHT NOT get, especially in places like that. If you're a drinker, prices of drinks at the bars is high and that's what they all want-for you to blow your money on drinks. Maybe because it is a tourist trap I found the Thais often to be rude and easily angered. Public transport is poor and taxis are way high. Baht buses don't go where you want often unless you over pay them and even then they cannot find the place often. Motorbikes are way to dangerous and also expensive compared to P. I. Transport. The women there do often have enhanced breasts unlike all the flat chested ladies in the P. I. Yeah you can have fun there but it's not worth it IMO. One thing they do have is superior convenience stores, well stocked with good selection-you don't have to eat at restaurants all the time. Judging from all the recent posts on Pattaya, many agree with my assessment and are not going there any longer. And we have had multiple posts from foreigners wanting info on the P. I. because they want to get out of Thailand.

[SJobs]

Before I start, here's some information. The Colombian minimum wage has nearly doubled in the past 10 years. The price Facebook girls are accepting hasn't changed in 10 years. There has been no exponential increase.

I wish you would make up your mind. Last night you were complaining about these women having LAVISH lifestyles and now you're saying they're living dirt poor. And you're using both as an excuse to pay the bare minimum. Can you explain it to me?

Should they be paid the bare minimum because they don't deserve a lavish lifestyle, or should they be paid the bare minimum because they are already poor?

The only conclusion we can draw from his argument is that girls in Medellin are born inferior. They are illiterate fools that if we don't take advantage of them, then we are committing a crime against humanity. For me, Medellin, as a city, is second only to Rio. The people in Medellin are the kindest and most dignified people I have ever met in my life. Most of the girls I know in Medellin have been through a tremendous amount of suffering, and yet they found reasons for enormous pride for who they are, where they live, and what they have endured. At 4 am, standing on the back-door balcony of Club Paradise, looking out to the skyline of Medellin, I don't see an affluent neighborhood underneath that beautiful kaleidoscope of lights, but I see a proud neighborhood.

[Paulie97]

You're kind of rambling here.

And you're distinctly rambling before you're done. Still a fun read though.

You want to know the crazy thing? Some of the women I know are making solid 6 figure incomes, working 15-20 hours a week without ever touching any guy, unless they have a boyfriend. Does that make you more upset? Heck, my old roommate gets over $600 a week from a guy that she just trades a few messages with every week. And that's less than 20% of her income.

The figures are likely inflated as was determined here in conversations back in the day when you failed to demonstrate any independent proofs. Regardless you rented a room from the girl, ran her camera for a year and left town with no money as you so confirmed. If there was any big money it certainly didn't trickle down in any shape or form.

You're literally spitting here. You accuse the girls of lacking common sense, yet you claim they are simultaneously living lavish lifestyles and living on the bare minimum. Maybe common sense means something else to you. Where I come from common sense says that's impossible. Common sense also says that you haven't spent sufficient time, with a significant number of Colombians, to determine what flaws everyone in the nation has.

This is an excellent point, is always a bad move to stereotype an entire nation or culture. When one does that they make themselves an easy target. Like the Colombians on our return flights to the states have visas and are often well educated and speak good English. No reason to bring the so called swimming in cash webcam girls into this as there's plenty of more reliable evidence at your fingertips.

Then you switch into a homoerotic fantasy of guys kissing their girlfriends after the girlfriend sucked someone else's dick. Can we get Freud to weigh in on this? It wouldn't be an issue, except you're in the same boat. Except, if you only go with girls who will accept the bare minimum, you're kissing the ones who have been doing unspeakable things with that mouth. That's just plain nasty.

No need for Freud on this one as it actually gets to the heart of the simple difference between those who monger and those who don't. Those who do can push such thoughts out of their mind, and those who don't, can't. Though the discrepancy is noted and he walked right into that one.

I do control the price. Every time. I pay what I want to pay. I also control what I expect from the girls. Almost every time I get everything I want.

You sound angry, literally spitting here as you've finally had to respond to some valid points. As you've stated you set the price and tell them to come over. Maybe all you "want" is right down to business, everything with condom, and she beelines to the shower as soon as you pop. This may not happen every time or even most of the time, but it's going to happen a lot if you're inviting over a lot of girls you don't know. And yes, it's often seen as a sign of weakness when you fail to ask for what you want and hold the girl to the terms. That's just the name of that tune, no matter how lovable and successful a monger comes to think he is, or how badly he wants to act superior to those who wish to negotiate particulars. It's very laughable.

In the (as confirmed by ColombiaLover) past 15 years the price for Mansion / Facebook girls has remained relatively unchanged. The price for rent in Colombia has more than doubled. The price for food has more than doubled. The price for clothing has more than doubled. The price for utilities, medical care and everything else has more than doubled. That's inflation. It happens in Colombia.

Good points about inflation though the figures remain unconfirmed or unsubstantiated. Wish a monger's word on the internet amounted to "confirmation," but sadly that isn't the case so I take it all with a grain of salt for the time being. So there were Facebook girls in 2005 and they were asking the same prices as now? Guess we are stuck with the word of mongers on that one. Some independent, official sources for the rise in living expenses would be nice, as "more than doubled" over 15 years sounds rather drastic. Maybe the whole thesis holds up but it needs a lot more support.

Carry on gentleman. You two have an interesting conversation going on. Stay safe everyone.