Medellin Reports

[Mechanic88]

So I met up with a Facebook chica and onlyfans model yesterday who insisted that she usually doesn't do the prepago thing. At first I was skeptical but it was very believable due to how awkward she was.

One of the most unusual things was how insecure she is about her body. She is an incredibly gorgeous paisa around 20 years old but she still wants to get a nose job, boob job and butt job. I vehemently told her that her nose and butt are perfect, but she wasn't having it. She says that men in Colombia aren't interested in skinny and dark-skinned girls. It breaks my heart because here is a girl who has dozens or hundreds of subscribers on onlyfans who are constantly telling her how beautiful she is, yet she still feels the need to "upgrade" her body (which I think will be for the worse).

The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.

On the topic of Parque Lleras I never really had much luck there. I'm not into street walkers and the last time I went to Gusto, the girls I talked to were looking for $300 USD. Fuck that!

They probably give you gringo pricing at Gustos LOL I was there last month, ended up taking a pretty 24 year old girl. She asked for 700 kk all night but negotiated to 500 k. Maybe being Hispanic helps me LOL.

[Osteoknot]

The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.

My second wingman is only into middle aged women, 30's, 40's, I think he delves into the lower 50's. He consistently extolls the virtues of these women's sexual techniques because they have experience. I believe him. He is a great wingman for me, because if they are 25, they are getting old, jeje.

You know you are in Medellin when my novia with out a trace of sarcasm and in all seriousness asked me on her twentieth birthday, "Am I getting too old for you?

I posted because I wanted to let you know, that there are young, 18-21 year olds out there who can blow your doors off with their sexual technique. I'm going to say the average age these chicas lose their virginity is 14. The culture is pretty much open to sexuality as being a natural, healthy part of life. Some, obviously not all, of these chicas are born naturals. I've had more than my fair share of first time P4P chicas, and they exhibited a range of experience and comfort level. On the one end I got schooled and shown stuff I sexually never experienced before, in a good way, and I've been around the block once or twice.

[Above Average]

So I met up with a Facebook chica and onlyfans model yesterday who insisted that she usually doesn't do the prepago thing. At first I was skeptical but it was very believable due to how awkward she was.

One of the most unusual things was how insecure she is about her body. She is an incredibly gorgeous paisa around 20 years old but she still wants to get a nose job, boob job and butt job. I vehemently told her that her nose and butt are perfect, but she wasn't having it. She says that men in Colombia aren't interested in skinny and dark-skinned girls. It breaks my heart because here is a girl who has dozens or hundreds of subscribers on onlyfans who are constantly telling her how beautiful she is, yet she still feels the need to "upgrade" her body (which I think will be for the worse).

The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.

On the topic of Parque Lleras I never really had much luck there. I'm not into street walkers and the last time I went to Gusto, the girls I talked to were looking for $300 USD. Fuck that!

[Surfer500]

Last night, my last in Medellin this trip, should have been great, but it ended up being interesting and just okay.

I ended up fucking a bull dyke lesbian. No kissing. No oral. I couldn't touch her. Blah, blah, blah. The body, except for the ass was uninspiring. The sex was just missionary with condom.

I got laid she got paid and it was pretty much a wasted night. They only saving point, she told me repeatedly she's never had sex with a man. That makes 2 of us.

Can't win them all.

That's quite a yarn, almost like a chapter out of a Clive Cussler read! LOL.

If anything, it was a night you will probably remember for quite some time.

I typically try to line things up with a regular to hang with me the night before I depart.

I try to be as Leche depleted as I can before boarding a plane to leave Colombia.

[Osteoknot]

"No, every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different.

Astute comment by that model, would have caused me to stop and pause, too. You have some great insights. I could learn a lot from monger like you. Also, you have writing skills and that comes in handy with Web cam models.

I can tell you're a decent guy too because I believe you may not have considered one of the main angles a lot of these chicas have to, and that is safety. You and I would never hurt one of these girls so it's easy to forget that first and foremost when they agree to meet up with a guy, more or less sight unseen, they are taking a significant risk to their personal safety. Of course, that works both ways but for them I believe it is another barrier that we have to overcome for a successful meeting.

Another contingency they have to factor in is what if you ghost them after they land at the airport, and don't show up? The vast majority of these girls have no extra money and will essentially arrive broke. Is that a chance you would take if you were her?

I was going to PM you a copy and paste of my first ever post here on ISG, but I don't believe you have Messaging. It's a WhatsApp transcript between me and a Web cam model who I talked into leaving her Room and taking a taxi to my hotel, and it's hilarious. I am known to flog a dead horse into dog meat, so I could post it again, it's been well over a year, but it's long. Tell you what, if I seal the deal with the new chicas, either Nymphette and / or Ally, I will repost that transcript as a symbol of success. Deal? Deal. Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On.

[JohnHancock11]

You and I both know it's going to get better for you, much better. I don't want to get all Yin&Yang on you, but the bad experiences make us appreciate the good ones that much more.

You were right of course, we both knew it would get better. It didn't start that way today, but the ending was wonderful.

Spent the first part of the day sleeping in and making supply runs. I was scheduled to have a repeat FB chica over in the afternoon. Then it became evening. Then it became tomorrow. Whatever, it happens. She will still be here tomorrow and she is a lot of fun.

So I threw up the hail mary and a new FB chica I have been talking to came through. She came a few times actually jaja.

She is 18, flaca and oh so cute. Amazing session. Sometimes with the younger ones they are inexperienced and it shows. Not the case tonight. She was a wildly enthusiastic performer. I will absolutely see her again before I leave.

So yes, much better indeed.

[Osteoknot]

She surprised me by saying out loud in English "every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different.

Very astute comment by your cam girl, would've caught me by surprise, too.

Reading people, that's what this is all about and it's easy to see you get it. You wrote some good points that made me stop and think, so thanks for that. You have writing skills, which come in handy on Web cam sites. You got this. I could learn a lot from you.

I was going to PM you a Whassap dialogue from the time I talked a Web cam model into leaving the studio and taking a taxi to my hotel, the first time I was ever in her room. Hilarious stuff. But you don't have PM. That transcript was my very first post here on ISG so it's been awhile, maybe I'll post it again. I am always up to flogging a dead horse into dog meat, jeje. Ostee out and keep on keepin' on. Tell you what. If I get to tag Ally or Nymphette this trip, I will repost that old Whassap dialogue to mark the occasion. Deal? Deal.

[JjBee62]

Asti, thanks for taking the time to write out such an extensive reply. I always appreciate your insight and look forward to reading your posts. Interestingly enough, I hopped in another camgirls room today (I have too much free time) just to try and pick her brain a bit on how studios operate (whether it's typically girls typing or a moderator is translating and telling them what to say, how to react, etc). At one point I wrote something to the extent of "maybe every studio is different" to which she surprised me by saying out loud in English "no every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different. " Definitely caught me off guard but very valid point indeed. Best to keep that in mind in terms of all things Colombia (who is willing to meet up yadda, yadda, yadda) and just remember not to take things too seriously as you mentioned.

Being able to take your time and screen the girl behind a screen is definitely the best part of the cam show experience. I love being able to zoom in on the little blemishes that catch my eye & analyze how a girl reacts to pressure or when she's frustrated (how she reacts to spammers or trolls in the chat). Just general things that may go beyond your head when meeting in-person that can actually still tell you a lot about a person. I think the market of Colombian camgirls is actually saturated to the point that a large majority of their time is spent staring at an inactive chat bored to death due to lack of engagement 85% of the time, so if you tip a little and bring in the slightest stimulation to keep her brain from melting as a result of staring into an inactive chatbox an entire shift, generally she'll appreciate it and be open to engaging conversation. From there it is best to actually get to know the girl and see what she is like, and to be honest it can actually be a lot of fun.

If you really want to go the extra mile, you can also pay for a private session (that way it's only you two in the room) and then move things towards a "cam-to-cam" (c2c) so she can see you're slightly less greasy than she probably had in mind. Could help in building a bit of chemistry, but as you suggested probably no point in doing this if you've already moved things to WhatsApp away from her work social media accounts. I do agree that it's best to do this while you're already in Colombia or at least just prior to a trip or else you are most likely wasting time and effort. Sometimes being a bit spontaneous helps, if you drag things out too long people tend to lose interest. Ultimately, I don't think this should be used as a primary method for hunting either just because the market is already so huge. Seeking Arrangements and Facebook are probably the better way to go for a short trip but if you're immersing yourself to the point of learning the language and building a circle of referrals as you have on a longer stay, making friends via the camgirl sites could be a way to expand that, maybe..

Much of what you wrote is dead on, and also absolutely wrong. I've been over this a few times before, so I'll try to keep it short.

I spent most of a year sharing an apartment with a webcam model, who I've now known for 6 years. I spent most of a year working directly for 3 webcam studios. I've met face to face with dozens of webcam girls and several times was in a room with up to 20 of them, including a few of the top webcam models in Colombia. I've had lunch meetings with anywhere from 2 to 6 webcam models. I've talked with studio owners, accountants, model managers, lawyers and international liaisons (one of which decided to become a webcam model). In short, I have some experience.

Most of the models who you are talking about (getting no tips, empty rooms, bored), aren't webcam models. Not yet. Most of them won't be around long, because it takes 6 weeks online 4-6 hours per day, to start making consistent money. It takes another month or more to cover basic living expenses. The girls who jump at the chance to meet are simply hookers that someone convinced to get on webcam. They don't have the patience to see it through. I tried with several prepagos.

So those girls, if you get to meet them, are no different than many of the hookers you can meet through other channels. Just find a girl, talk to her and ask if she's ever been on webcam. Many will say they have.

The webcam models who are making decent money, 4 k or more tokens each day, are more difficult. Meeting you is a risk. The dedicated webcam viewers will freak out if they know the girl met with someone else. I've seen this many times. It ruins the fantasy.

Paying for a webcam model to come see you is a mistake.

Using webcam as any source is a waste of time and money.

That's all for now.

[JjBee62]

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/5197842...uX5b0CuMznYNjj

Anyone with experience in the GO building before? How is this in terms of central location and ease of mongering?

I know the area well because it's not too far from where I lived. Santa Fe mall is about 10 minute walk away. 10 minutes walk in the other direction is Sao Paolo Plaza with several restaurants and a grocery store. Depending on traffic, 10-15 minutes to Parque Lleras by taxi.

As far as mongering it says in the listing that each visitor will add a 40 k charge to your bill and no more than 2 visitors at a time.

[WarmBlankets]

A Web cam model who normally makes money without any PC (personal contact) with a greasy Gringo, would rather go the dentist and get her teeth drilled without novocaine than get on a plane for someone whom she has not met. Start with and stick with girls who are in the same city as you, who can take an Uber to see you, not a jet.

If you have a slugger's batting average at getting Web cam models to meet you, then you are doing great, meaning failures are more common than successes. Look at Web cam models as just one of many potential sources in the P4 P game. They are my least common source for chicas, but fun, entertaining and gratifying when it pays off. Maybe I suck at it and my success rate should be higher, but I don't think so.

Ally is a Web cam model I am Whassapping now who says she wants to meet. She offered to meet me at the airport Thursday and stay at her place but I told her no because of her Pit Bulls. Yesterday, I casually mentioned on-line in her Public room that she had cute feet. Ten seconds later she was doing this in the first foto, jeje love it. I felt like she deserved a tip for that and I gave her a small one after the fact. This girl is nasty and natural, a great and uncommon combination. I feel encouraged. Maybe 50/50 at best we will hook-up and that's probably as good as it gets..

Asti, thanks for taking the time to write out such an extensive reply. I always appreciate your insight and look forward to reading your posts. Interestingly enough, I hopped in another camgirls room today (I have too much free time) just to try and pick her brain a bit on how studios operate (whether it's typically girls typing or a moderator is translating and telling them what to say, how to react, etc). At one point I wrote something to the extent of "maybe every studio is different" to which she surprised me by saying out loud in English "no every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different. " Definitely caught me off guard but very valid point indeed. Best to keep that in mind in terms of all things Colombia (who is willing to meet up yadda, yadda, yadda) and just remember not to take things too seriously as you mentioned.

Being able to take your time and screen the girl behind a screen is definitely the best part of the cam show experience. I love being able to zoom in on the little blemishes that catch my eye & analyze how a girl reacts to pressure or when she's frustrated (how she reacts to spammers or trolls in the chat). Just general things that may go beyond your head when meeting in-person that can actually still tell you a lot about a person. I think the market of Colombian camgirls is actually saturated to the point that a large majority of their time is spent staring at an inactive chat bored to death due to lack of engagement 85% of the time, so if you tip a little and bring in the slightest stimulation to keep her brain from melting as a result of staring into an inactive chatbox an entire shift, generally she'll appreciate it and be open to engaging conversation. From there it is best to actually get to know the girl and see what she is like, and to be honest it can actually be a lot of fun.

If you really want to go the extra mile, you can also pay for a private session (that way it's only you two in the room) and then move things towards a "cam-to-cam" (c2c) so she can see you're slightly less greasy than she probably had in mind. Could help in building a bit of chemistry, but as you suggested probably no point in doing this if you've already moved things to WhatsApp away from her work social media accounts. I do agree that it's best to do this while you're already in Colombia or at least just prior to a trip or else you are most likely wasting time and effort. Sometimes being a bit spontaneous helps, if you drag things out too long people tend to lose interest. Ultimately, I don't think this should be used as a primary method for hunting either just because the market is already so huge. Seeking Arrangements and Facebook are probably the better way to go for a short trip but if you're immersing yourself to the point of learning the language and building a circle of referrals as you have on a longer stay, making friends via the camgirl sites could be a way to expand that, maybe.

Regarding the flying them out bit: I actually don't think it's a huge deal since a plane ticket from Medellin to Bogota is only $100 lost but it's best to discuss when you're already boots on the ground or at least only 10-14 days away from a trip. I can only assume a weekend trip partying with a gringo is a more fun way to make money than sitting in front of the computer at the studio but who knows. Best not to drag things out when organizing things though, it'll complicate things from a fun weekend party to her eventually wanting to take advantage of you or organize plans against just another gringo. When you're already there, whether she happens to live in the same city as you or you have flown her out, you can easily meet in public in a safe way and then progress to spending a couple days in a badass Airbnb with a hot tub from there.

I apologize if a lot of what I stated in this post just came off as me reiterating what you already said, but it's hard not to because you've hit the nail on the head. Just wanted to add my own minor thoughts & twists to things. Thanks again for taking the time to reply and I look forward to any updates with the camgirl you're in contact with.

[Chicago85]

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/5197842...uX5b0CuMznYNjj

Anyone with experience in the GO building before? How is this in terms of central location and ease of mongering?

The location is a little ways south so you will be taking a taxi everywhere. It looks more midway between Envigado and Parque Llera central. In regards to mongering, it usually depends how 'active' you are, but most places are fine if you're just with a girl every day or two. It's when you have a party, really slutty girls, or 2-3 a day that they start to wonder. Worst case, figure out who the front desk guy is for nights and tip him 20 k at the beginning of your trip. That will go a long ways.

[JjBee62]

Last night, my last in Medellin this trip, should have been great, but it ended up being interesting and just okay.

Two different non-pros were supposed to come by yesterday. The first one, who I've yet to meet, was in a panic on Saturday because her mom had been sent to the hospital and didn't get out until Sunday night, which meant she had to cancel. The other had an aunt die on Saturday night.

Usually I would laugh at the excuses, but neither had incentive either way. They weren't getting paid and they don't have any earning opportunities on Sunday.

Once that door closed I sent a few messages. 1 got back quickly, but then ghosted until after midnight, phone broken. 1 didn't get back until about an hour ago. 3 never responded. The 1 who got back to me in about 30 minutes has been reviewed before. She has a twin sister and they do trios together.

At first she wanted to know what I would pay for an hour. I explained that I don't do hours. It could last 3 or 4 hours. She came back with a ridiculous rate, 900 k for 4 hours and mentioned the possibility of bringing her twin. My counter offer for the trio was shot down and it was generous. Her final offer for the twins, 4 hours was 2 million. That's when the little head said "let's do it!

I pondered it for an hour, hoping another girl would answer, before agreeing. Everything was set up. From there I rushed to Parque Lleras, after stopping by Davivienda, to meet a friend for dinner. Which requires a background story.

Five years ago an expat named Jenson opened Jenson's bar close to Parque Lleras. He quickly shut it down to take a brief job contract elsewhere, then reopened. For a few weeks I was about the only customer. Eventually things picked up and after about 5 months it was doing well. As staff changed, I got to know them all. I was literally there 7 days a week, often working. I met Z when she started working there, 5 years ago this fall. When it was slow she would sit and talk to me. She kept talking about being my girlfriend, but I wasn't interested.

Z is a full lesbian, and she's definitely of the bull variety. She's got a nice face and a fun personality. But the body is a bit thick. She ended up finding herself a sugar mama and about the time I left Medellin she went to Chile and stayed for 4 years. I thought she was still there.

When she learned I was in town and it was my last night she wanted to see me. We met in Lleras about 8 pm and walked up to Provenza to eat. Meanwhile I had confirmed everything with the twins. I thought.

While eating, Z started showing me pictures of her amigas telling me they were available. That's when the twins told me I had to pay in advance. I might be dumb enough to pay 2 million 1 time to bang twins, but I'm not sending $500 to someone before we meet. I told her no thanks. Next it was half in advance and half upon arrival. Nope. The last offer was half on arrival at Parque Lleras and the rest in the apartment. Chao.

Which left me high and dry, until I told Z to call 1 of her friends. She found one who was working at Fase 2. We could go there, pay an exit fee and head to the apartment for a trio. When we got there, she knew everyone, the waiters, the security and of course the girls. I still had to pay the cover, but we skipped getting frisked by security.

After she hugged on the ugliest stripper I've ever seen, I wasn't feeling too good about this. However, she finally found the girl, who was cute enough and I thought we were ready to go. Nope. First she bought drinks, on my tab, for 3 girls, including the ugly one. Then there was tipping girls and a bunch of stuff that was keeping me from my apartment.

When I told her we had to go, it was late, it got her moving in the right direction. Then she says we're going to take the girl to one of the on-site rooms. Yeah. I've got a deluxe penthouse with a killer jacuzzi and I'm going to pay for a room at the club? Nope. I'm going to my apartment. More wasted time. Then she explained there weren't enough girls, so the girl couldn't leave. There aren't any fucking customers and almost none are paying for sex. Fine. Let's go. I had already paid the 110 k tab, when Z tried to buy more drinks for some girls. That's when the blood pressure went up. I'm not buying any more drinks. I'm not waiting. I'm leaving.

Looks like that jacuzzi is going to be just for me. I asked her for her address, because I was done wasting time and money. She told me no, me and her would go. Fuck it. I guess I'll fuck a lesbian and call it a night.

When we got to the gate of my apartment she told me we needed to go to Parque Lleras to find a girl. Not happening. I'm parking the car and going to my apartment, do what you want. She decided to come to the apartment.

That was a shitload to read to find out I ended up fucking a bull dyke lesbian. No kissing. No oral. I couldn't touch her. Blah, blah, blah. The body, except for the ass was uninspiring. The sex was just missionary with condom.

I got laid she got paid and it was pretty much a wasted night. They only saving point, she told me repeatedly she's never had sex with a man. That makes 2 of us.

Can't win them all.

[Zeos1]

The chicas have always stood around on the streets cirling the park, especially on the north and west sides, and all the streets are still open to pedestrians at the least. So the chicas are still there. At least they were a few weeks ago. Calle 10 near the park is a good hunting ground as well. Walk laps around the blocks on the north side of the park.

The chicas are never in the park itself, or very rarely. Parque Lleras is an area as well as a park.

[JjBee62]

But Parque Lleras is closed still, right?

The park itself is closed yes. Most of the crowds are in Provenza now, and you will find girls working between the park and Provenza.

[Villainy]

That last one looks like a bug crawling out from under a kitchen cabinet, jajaja. I kid because I love you, jajaja. Seriously, if it was on paper, you should burn that foto, jajajajaaja.

Well, amigo, it must have been a lousy photo. Because I know you've dipped your wick in that little honey pot. Here are a few other pics to (hopefully) refresh your memory and / or reclaim my photography chops.