Medellin Reports

[Ricker]

Guys, good luck will all of your situations with these girls.

VJ

Once again, great read VJ!

I feel the same as you, though I think you caught on quicker than I did, LOL.

I got burned a few times, but I did learn from it, so I'm not a total idiota.

Take care amigo.

[BlueChange]

Everything your saying Vegas Jeff should be made a sticky! Its the same ole same ole you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. The game has changed in some ways because the instant contact with hookers and communication is so different now. It's just a text away. Just think it was phone only still, you would really be hitting these girls up like that and sharing intimate details of your life's? Hell fucking no! Texting is discreet and effortless. Jeff said it best you are dealing with girls who are making bad decisions and continue to make bad ones.

[Vegas Jeff]

Vegas Jeff,

You are a voice of reason and common sense, and one of the few from all my years on the ISG that actually gets it!

Good luck to ya!

Thank you sir.

I hope some of the seeds that I have planted will bear some fruit as guys will be better at understanding and dealing with their situations with these girls.

[Member #4398]

At some point I might just want to stop having sex with other girls. I don't know. I am still motivated to have a few amiguitas for sure. My girlfriend has never put pressure on me to stop having sex with other girls but I have slowed and slowed.

How have I avoided falling for these hookers? Because I value my self esteem. I am not a child. I am a grown man and I have responsibilities to myself, first and foremost. I can't play games in such an important aspect of my life, pretending with a fantasy. One has to take a look into the future and then ask if the situation has a real possibility of working.

These hookers are not great chicks. They are making bad decisions or have made bad decisions in the past which has put them in this position. There might have been some things out of their control that worked against them and I respect this to some extent. Being a hooker is filled with bad influence and habits. Going to a regular job has so many good things built into it that a women can gain esteem from. If they can improve their skills and become independent, everything is better. And I am not talking about hooker skills.

VJ

VJ,

That was a very insightful post. Thanks for sharing and good luck.

[Old Parr]

Vegas Jeff,

You are a voice of reason and common sense, and one of the few from all my years on the ISG that actually gets it!

Good luck to ya!

[Vegas Jeff]

Very nice story VJ. Thanks for sharing. I am curious. Are you a dying monger because you are planning to retire from mongering, planning to settle down and falling in love with the main chick of your story? How do you prevent from not falling in love with some of these great chicks?

At some point I might just want to stop having sex with other girls. I don't know. I am still motivated to have a few amiguitas for sure. My girlfriend has never put pressure on me to stop having sex with other girls but I have slowed and slowed.

How have I avoided falling for these hookers? Because I value my self esteem. I am not a child. I am a grown man and I have responsibilities to myself, first and foremost. I can't play games in such an important aspect of my life, pretending with a fantasy. One has to take a look into the future and then ask if the situation has a real possibility of working.

These hookers are not great chicks. They are making bad decisions or have made bad decisions in the past which has put them in this position. There might have been some things out of their control that worked against them and I respect this to some extent. Being a hooker is filled with bad influence and habits. Going to a regular job has so many good things built into it that a women can gain esteem from. If they can improve their skills and become independent, everything is better. And I am not talking about hooker skills.

I get respect from the hookers. I have barrio blood. These hookers have a healthy fear of me. My girlfriend as well. I am the good shepherd. I lift the esteem of the Colombians I interact with, always. I don't encourage these hookers to be better at their jobs or finding more clients. I give them shit for being hookers. I am good at standing on the line between respect and disrespect, without crossing it, with Colombians. The smarter they are, the more shit I give them. The polished pros are beyond reachable so I have no interest in them. All of these girls know that they shouldn't be hookers and by one calling them on it, respect is gained. Hookers are human beings and should be respected in this way IMO. Maybe I have a unique personality and some guys would be uncomfortable with this but this is my stance. For the hookers that have no chance in the real world I encourage them to find better steady dates.

Most guys are dealing with polished pros and these hookers know how to push all the right buttons with the suckers. It is so much better with the unjaded barrio girls. These girls are amazing in bed. This is the difference between observing a lion at a zoo or a lion in Africa. These girls give the right distance and the best sex IMO. I will take the freaky hot barrio hookers over the hot professionals, with their polished hooker qualities, any day. Actually, I will take the average barrio girls over the hot, jaded pros. To each their own. The big negative with the barrio girls is that it can be difficult organizing meeting up. These girls are so disorganized and lazy. How freaking hard is it to stand up, put some clothes on, and get a taxi?

I have been extremely organized in my dealings with these hookers so my girlfriend doesn't see much. Latin women only know what they see as they have been fed bullshit their whole life by these selfish local men. I could be fucking 10 chicks and if my phone doesn't ring I am good. On the other hand if my phone is buzzing all of the time my girlfriend is going to get pissed. I leave my phone out in the open and my girlfriend is welcome to use it if she wants, even though she has her own. I disguise the names of girls so she doesn't know the name of the incoming text. Stephanie could be Steven for example.

I have never been tempted to be in a relationship with any of these hookers. Honestly, my biggest strength is that I haven't valued the companionship of women. For you guys who enjoy the companionship, your job with the distance becomes tougher. I like to hang with them for a little and send them packing. My girlfriend has been different as I enjoy her company. It is so easy being around her because we have good chemistry. I have changed in that I enjoy the company of women a little more as I have gotten older.

When meeting women in the Third World, they have to be sized up as potential hookers or girlfriends. Girlfriends can't be hookers and hookers can't be girlfriends. I meet Paisas who can only be girlfriends often. I don't have space for that, they can't be my hookers, so they are forced to be acquaintances or friends. Hookers can be friends also. These are just my opinions and my personal stance on things.

I have certain things that I keep personal with my girlfriend. For instance, I lay in bed in the spooning position with my girlfriend. Her back is against my chest. I tell her that I am recharging my battery. I won't lay in this position with the hookers. Although the sex is hot with the hookers, the affection given is only to a point. Also taking my girlfriend out into the city is personal to her and I don't do this with the hookers.

The computer has made things so much worse in Medellin IMO. It is our job as men to get sex and not spend too much time in getting it. Women know that if they can get attention and / or money and they don't have to give too much sex they are in a position of strength. Guys are talking with these hookers all day through the internet, some sending money. You tell me who is getting the better of this situation. I do not want to talk with the hookers much when I am not with them.

What is happening in many situations is that guys are spending time exclusively around hookers. Their favorites become girlfriend targets. These guys are unable to be around normal girls. If these guys were ever able to step back and take a good look at things they would say "wtf am I doing". IMO this is a loss of esteem. Some of these situations work out but not many. I have friends in Medellin, that I love like brothers, who are emotionally involved with these hookers. These guys are, at least, being somewhat honest with themselves about the situation. They aren't pussies and know what is going on. They have serious doubts deep inside. They just take it one day at a time knowing they are probably going to be heartbroken in the end.

I have met older guys 60+ who can be with young hookers and see the difference in the relationships in comparison to when they were younger. These guys have certain understandings with these hookers and they can trust them on some level. These hookers can be caretakers and / or will call their families in The States and help them during difficult times. The most important thing is that one is honest with themselves.

IMO some of you guys are getting too serious with your dates. You have a choice. You can treat your dates like women or you can treat them like children. Treat them like women and you will get serious. Treat them like children and you will get fun. I entertain hookers with my computer. Say she likes J Alvarez. I play a 30 minute plus mix of J Alvarez. If she likes video games, great. Say her favorite animal is a dolphin. I play youtube videos of Dolphins. Be serious when it comes to important structural things and playful the rest of the time. A little entertainment, hanging, and sex and then on their way the hookers go.

Guys, good luck will all of your situations with these girls.

VJ

[Member #4398]

Well that is it for story telling for a while. A dying monger.

VJ

Very nice story VJ. Thanks for sharing. I am curious. Are you a dying monger because you are planning to retire from mongering, planning to settle down and falling in love with the main chick of your story? How do you prevent from not falling in love with some of these great chicks?

[Member #4396]

For guys who like to go dance and chat with girls and maybe find a non-pro or semi-pro, can anyone recommend any spots that are good earlier in the week? Wednesday and Thursday especially. I like to start at a discoteca then either end up at a place open late like Fahrenheit, or a strip club, but the few times I've ventured out during the week I haven't found anything really busy.

[Ricker]

This girl has an infant boy maybe 2 years old with her. It isn't hers, it's her sisters. She doesn't want to talk about her sister. Maybe the sister is trying to turn tricks? Who knows? I feed the little boy with the milk bottle. I extract a bunch of info from her over the next 15 minutes. She shows me pictures of her in a bikini and her 25 year old good looking European boyfriend. He is in Ecuador right now. I ask her if she thinks that her good looking boyfriend cheats? She says that she doesn't think so but can't say for sure. Come on, I tell her.


VJ

Thanks for sharing VJ.

I enjoy reading of your adventures and thoughts.

[BeersTerry]

Jeff, you are an adrenaline junkie!! Maybe you got to take up free climbing or something. Haha.

[Vegas Jeff]

Made a run into El Centro. I had my eye on a particular girl. I spoke with her briefly and got a nice feel on a different day. Would have taken her then but wasn't sure if it would go BB or not. I normally don't need BB all of the time and do it only with select girls. I pull her. Another tough one to get BB sex. I did all I could while holding the mood but she wouldn't relent. I told her that I respected her standards and this is a good thing. I tell her, though, it must go BB next time. She says no problem. BBBJ is just great. No terms mentioned. Next, sex is great and I am rock hard. I am not going to cum, though, not even close. This is a terrible sign. I have not had this problem before to this degree. Over the years, I have lost some sensitivity starting about 5 years ago. I also want to add that of the 500 hookers I had sex with in CR, 480 I would say were with condoms. I had friends that were having BB sex a bunch and I never felt inferior to them. This is an inflation that I am paying, not something to brag about! Continuing, sex is connected but I need BB. Great session but lacking in sensitivity. Afterward all I had was 6 - 2 mil notes and a 50 mil note. I give her 12 mil and tell her next time I will give her 30 mil for BB. She smiles, kisses me, and says chow.

I eat some lunch. I go back to the place from the other day where I BB the other girl. The other jefe is there and I explain that I am going to take the girl outside for 10 minutes. The jefe says no problem. She puts her flip flops on and we head out again. We are smoking on the corner of a fork in the road. She is standing against the wall and I am blocking her. Cops are walking up the street but stop halfway. She goes to throw the joint away and I say no and tell her to relax. I am watching, leaning in towards her taking hits off the joint. Cops aren't moving so we continue to smoke. 3 minutes later we head back. In the room she tells me we can't have BB sex again. I told her we have to and offer her 40 k. I gave her 20 k the first time. She relents. Sex is good but it is too active. There is a difference between active and horny IMSO. She wants to come to my place. I live near her since she lives in Belen and attends the university. I tell her that she needs to relax and I want her for 2 hours in my apartment and I need a more connected slower session in my place with at least an hour of sex. She understands. I tell her that I might call her or come back there.

Afterward, I run into a guy on the street who runs a casa for a jefe. We sit on a bench in Parque Botero for an hour and talk. I offer to buy him dinner. About 22 k including drinks. $10 USD. He says to call him and he knows some barrio chicks who don't want to work the casas. Afterward, as we are walking across the square after dinner there is a smoking hot barrio girl walking through the square. I love her essence. She gains almost half block on me. Two Colombians are talking smack toward her. She gets this all day long for sure. I get up next to her and start talking to her. She is completely ignoring me. I press on. She finally lets me close and she has responded to two of my questions? I get her to sit down next to me in a cafe. She is 19 and has an amazing body. Amazing! She is really shy also.

Casa jefe catches up and I tell him that I am good. I tell him that there is no way this girl wants to work in his casa in El Centro. He hears me but continues to sit there. I tell him "por favor. " he continues to sit there. I tell him that I need to have a talk with him outside and say excuse me to the girl. I ask him what he wants. He says a little money. I give him 10 k and he is happy. Nice! This girl has an infant boy maybe 2 years old with her. It isn't hers, it's her sisters. She doesn't want to talk about her sister. Maybe the sister is trying to turn tricks? Who knows? I feed the little boy with the milk bottle. I extract a bunch of info from her over the next 15 minutes. She shows me pictures of her in a bikini and her 25 year old good looking European boyfriend. He is in Ecuador right now. I ask her if she thinks that her good looking boyfriend cheats? She says that she doesn't think so but can't say for sure. Come on, I tell her.

I explain that I have a Paisa girlfriend and we got in a fight and I am lonely and depressed which is not true. We are making a solid connection but sex won't happen today and it doesn't matter. I give her 5 mil for phone minutes and told her I would call her later. We have a nice phone conversation 30 minutes later. She asks me if I want to have sex with her. I told her "obviously but it doesn't matter right now". I tell her that I respect her and her being comfortable with me is my priority. She can come to my apartment, I can meet her in El Centro, I can meet her in her barrio, doesn't matter. Just let me know and I am there. I told her that I respected her boyfriend and I am not like the other selfish foreigners in Medellin. She will have money in her pocket, giving her more independence. It will be discreet also, only talking through whatsapp. Even in my shit state right now, having a fever, I am hot for this girl. I called her this morning and could hear the dysfunctional chaos in the background, which is common for these barrio girls. She says that she can't meet today and I say no problem and that I will call her tomorrow. Just letting the seeds grow a little more. We shall see what happens.

On another note I accidentally send a whatsapp to my girlfriend today that was intended for this girl. It says, "When do you want to meet with me?" OMG, I am such a dumbass! My monger buddies give me shit about these things and I deserve it. I do these incredibly crazy things but screw up with a minor detail when my guard is down and sitting on my couch alone. I had spent the entire day with my girlfriend the day before and had a great time at her parents house. I got a chance to spend time with her kids, who I love to see. They are my friends and I don't talk down to them. Continuing, I told her that the whatsapp message was intended for the guy delivering a washing machine which was actually being delivered. I was quick and fluid. She knows that I am lying and hangs up. This crushes me. I feel so selfish, changing her mood. I call her a little later and explain my situation, pretty honestly. I tell her that I have not had sex in my apartment in the first two weeks of my trip, which is true. I wanted to get my feelings for her in the right place before having sex in my apartment, which is true also. I explain that by having sex with a few other girls occasionally, it takes the edge off. I tell her that I love her. She knows it is the truth. I am trying to hold back from crying and I thank her for her understanding. She speaks with a soft voice, telling me that she loves me, and thanks me for my honesty. She has had my heart in her hand for awhile now, which was not earned easily, and she has a huge impact on my feelings daily.

One last thing. I have never even remotely had a girlfriend in the 700+ girls I had sex with in Latin America. This is the first one for me. I have never been more in love, not even close. There is a line that must be drawn with these hookers, and can't be crossed, or everything becomes jaded. If one eats off the tree in the middle of the garden every day and can't keep a sane mind there will be a loss of esteem. The older guys can handle this hobby much better than the younger guys IMSO. I see plenty of under 50's falling for the wrong girls. I suggest making a commitment to not get into a serious with any of these Paisas until you have at least 6 months of ground time in Medellin.

For you guys out there looking for REAL girlfriends, meet girls at their jobs, face to face! This would be a no brainier if I were looking. At least you will know that she has a work ethic and I find it comfortable meeting girls at their jobs anyway. Also guys if you don't have a least 6 months per year on the ground in the Third World, forget it. At best you will miss her to death. Every other scenario is only worse. Don't fall for these hookers! Just my opinion on this one. Guys, do as you will with it.

As my brother Wilt says with a REAL girlfriend you can't just give them money and shut them up. This is the difference between a slam dunk contest and a five on five basketball game. Big loss of control with the basketball game. Something to think about.

Well that is it for story telling for a while. A dying monger.

VJ

[Combo]

My best friend's uncle died from being scoped, it is real and it is very dangerous. If the girls you are talking to say they haven't heard of it watch out because they are lying to you, and FYI they aren't your friends. I belong to a Colombian Facebook group and a few guys got scoped when they took a bunch of girls to San Andres, I don't know the guys personally but I know that there are several members here that know them. Most of the "stories" that I have seen on this site aren't bullshit scare stories sir, they are usually pretty factual and are posted to help others. You have 5 posts to your name and you are calling out people, come on now.

I have also known someone that guy "scoped" in Medellin. And I know someone who had it happen in Rio. Hell I knew a guy from my city (not a monger per se) who was shot and killed in MDE. None of this stops me from visiting these locales, but it certainly makes you pay attention. FWIW, the only place I will not return to is Caracas, Venezuela. Risk is not worth the reward.

[Member #4394]

These guys in El centro are professional thugs. They are always looking for preys. Usually these robberies are led and organized by somebody else who are not at the site of robberies.

I had two robbery attempts in El Centro, one successful and one remarkably unsuccessful, in two months, one at dusk (the successful one) and one in broad daylight. Neither time was I drunk, and I've never been successfully robbed anywhere else in the world. This was in 2008. Maybe it's safer now but Colombia is dangerous, always and everywhere, and things are never as they seem.

So let's be careful out there!

.

[Nino Bravo]

Last time I was at La Isla I was with a few guys and they were asking for some sort of bottle minimum. Do you know if you go there solo, can you get away with buying solo drinks or a half bottle or something? The cover and prices were pretty fair considering the quality, other than the ridiculous bottle charge.

The times I went I just bought a half bottle of aguardiente, so no problem there. I was pretty generous with buying girls single drinks though. My waiter was cool as hell, so were the security guys. They treated me like a rock star. And gave me VIP treatment every time I went. Tipping these guys helps alot. The girls were cool, although some were hustling a little bit too much. When that happened I just had one of the security guys give them the boot from my table. Spent a fortune, but that's how I am and had a grand time.

[Vegas Jeff]

After dropping my friend off, I don't want to go home. It is about 11 pm. With no babysitter around I can do some crazy things. I am bored and want to drive around the city. I have about 5 minutes until I reach the highway. I like the taxi driver alot but I need to press him with some very fucking serious questions. The guy totally gets it and he passes my tough radar test. He is a super laid back guy who has been a driver for over 20 years. He tells me he can show me some spots in Bello. He also says there is a good place to meet girls in the daytime about 10 blocks from where we are walking below Santo Domingo. I am not even horny but don't want to go home. We smoke a joint and head on. He heads back near the starting point and shows me the spot. He says that he knows a girl in Santo Domingo. He calls her as we are driving up the hill but he can't get in touch. 90% of the streets we are on we would be able to pickup a girl if one was available. As with my luck, not so simple. We are now driving on a narrow sidewalk. I am in the backseat with my head inside the passenger headrest paying attention. We turn left down another street that is very narrow also. Tough gang members on the corner and in the distance at the other corner. At the middle of the street there are four girls holding their arms together blocking the taxi. The girls are harmless, one trying to talk through the window. The one on the left is smoking hot about 19-20 years old. This street is too hot to stop on, though. I tell him to try to make a quick connection with the hot girl. He says that it is too hot and he keeps moving. Damn it. WTF. He says we can come tomorrow and it will be safer and he knows the spot. I plead with him to go back and relents. I am praying all of the guys will disappear. We pass through again with the same setup. He tries to get her attention but can't stop. We move on.

We head up into Bello and there is a two block street of clubs. My taxi driver knows what I am looking for. A girl with a nice essence, who isn't working at a strip club. He and I are on the same page. We pull up in front these two clubs that are pretty small from the outside. Typical Colombian, aloof and rambling. I tell him what I want very clearly. He seems like a guy that might have something but I don't trust him. My taxi driver tells him that I don't have time for games and I want something quick. I love this guy as we are bonded. He says to park the taxi and come inside. We park and head in. There are about 30 people in the place, half guys and half girls. These girls are amazingly hot, at La Isla level or above. Jackpot? Not so fast. These are regular girls hanging out with their friends. These are upper class circles. I lean into my taxi driver and said "these girls aren't putas?" he clearly shakes his head No. The top 2-3 girls in this place are as good as you can find in Medellin and this is saying something. I tell the guy putas. He shows me 2 but they are not up to par. I tell the guy to forget about the crazy hot girls and show him some examples from the middle level girls who are more than hot enough. He says to come back tomorrow night. We call it a night and head home. Taxi fare 35 k, about $15.

Please guys don't come here and do this crazy stuff. Most of my friends who live here won't even do this stuff. I am a little crazy. Don't be like me, please.

Getting tired and not feeling well. This enough for now but I will write a little more going forward.