Medellin Reports

[MoonShot]

There is nothing real about this as a contract, papers or no papers. It is simply a woman being trafficked by some sort of gang. Pimping and such are illegal in Colombia and she is being controlled and trafficked by others, its as simple as that. She could try police, but it depends on how deep a connection her owners have whether this would work or not.

The guy is not going to do anything about it because that would be silly. We don't know what the real situation is and as mongers, we should not care. We can't get involved in these types of things because they involve violent criminal elements. Don't you watch those movies where a nice guy tries to rescue a girl from her pimp and his life is destroyed? I think it's called True Romance. Also you are only hearing it from her side and it may be true or not true. It could just be an agreement between two parties in which one party does something for the other party in exchange for certain promises.

[Zeos1]

Definitely wasn't planning on buying her out nor negotiating with traffickers, was just wondering what her realistic options are. It's either keep working next 9 years or find herself a guy that's willing to do buy her out. Latter not totally out of the realm of possibility since people do get enamored beyond reason and make bad decisions (like marriage without prenup), but still, rather unlikely, and less likely with each passing year.

Well, she did sign some contract apparently and has the papers, so maybe there is clause in there about cancelling early and the costs / penalties for it, no idea, not sure if this contract is something that's even honored by her handlers, probably not. The only way it could be honored would be probably if a buyer is someone that is also plugged in to the crime world, having enough connections not to be pushed around.

Anyway, that is the first girl I've met that mentioned she's on 10 year contract, up until now I was always meeting independent girls, afaik at least.

Yeah it's crazy.

There is nothing real about this as a contract, papers or no papers. It is simply a woman being trafficked by some sort of gang. Pimping and such are illegal in Colombia and she is being controlled and trafficked by others, its as simple as that. She could try police, but it depends on how deep a connection her owners have whether this would work or not.

[ChuchoLoco]

Definitely wasn't planning on buying her out nor negotiating with traffickers, was just wondering what her realistic options are. It's either keep working next 9 years or find herself a guy that's willing to do buy her out. Latter not totally out of the realm of possibility since people do get enamored beyond reason and make bad decisions (like marriage without prenup), but still, rather unlikely, and less likely with each passing year.

Well, she did sign some contract apparently and has the papers, so maybe there is clause in there about cancelling early and the costs / penalties for it, no idea, not sure if this contract is something that's even honored by her handlers, probably not. The only way it could be honored would be probably if a buyer is someone that is also plugged in to the crime world, having enough connections not to be pushed around.

Anyway, that is the first girl I've met that mentioned she's on 10 year contract, up until now I was always meeting independent girls, afaik at least.

Yeah it's crazy.

Since when do human traffickers have written contracts? Seems like proof of an illegal activity. Has anyone here ever gotten paid receipts for a coke or reefer purchase? Seems like a new sad story scam.

[AdamWl]

Or finds someone who'd agree to buy her out.

The best thing he can do is just walk away. If he takes your advice and tries to "buy her out" or negotiate with any kind of human trafficking organization he is liable to get himself killed.

Definitely wasn't planning on buying her out nor negotiating with traffickers, was just wondering what her realistic options are. It's either keep working next 9 years or find herself a guy that's willing to do buy her out. Latter not totally out of the realm of possibility since people do get enamored beyond reason and make bad decisions (like marriage without prenup), but still, rather unlikely, and less likely with each passing year.

Well, she did sign some contract apparently and has the papers, so maybe there is clause in there about cancelling early and the costs / penalties for it, no idea, not sure if this contract is something that's even honored by her handlers, probably not. The only way it could be honored would be probably if a buyer is someone that is also plugged in to the crime world, having enough connections not to be pushed around.

Anyway, that is the first girl I've met that mentioned she's on 10 year contract, up until now I was always meeting independent girls, afaik at least.

People are getting killed for much less.

Yeah it's crazy.

[Nounce]

... but this is my first time using seeking. I am curious to what everyone thinks is a fair price to give girl from Seeking? No all woman are that forthcoming for what they need as for support or an arrangement. What would you give a girl for a couple hours, all night, or even weekly?....

I am not sure what you mean by "support costs". You don't live here so you should just do pay per meet. You can post picture and maybe someone can compare it to their portfolio and tell you how much that girl will cost. There is a premium on the price quoted by Seeking so you want to avoid that. If you can find similar type of girl on Facebook, you should user Facebook price as a reference. If you can find her in Centro, then you should use Centro price for reference. If you can only find the girl on Seeking, you pay according to how much you want her and how many men are bidding for her service. You should expect to pay a premium for beauty regardless but that is rare.

[Turgid]

Relative to other popular mongering countries, Colombia is dangerous and you need to have your guard up. Clearly, criminals are targeting gringos who are looking for female companionship and if you fit that profile, you are at a greater risk of being robbed. That being said, you can take precautions and not increase your risk of being a victim of crime. If you are concerned about crime and want a vacation where you don't have to worry about girls drugging you and being robbed on the street, there are other countries where the risk is much lower such as Thailand or even Mexico. I do have friends who will never come to Colombia because they think the risk is not worth it. I personally think the risks are worth it and that is why I continue to come to Medellin.

Colombia has always been dangerous. Even before I made my first trip in early 2000's a friend of mine had gone and related his experience to me of having to jump out of a moving car to escape a kidnapping. I still visited and after about forty visits in all I have had three bad experiences, one where a chica in a casa tried to steal from my pants while I was in the shower after the deed, a chica attacked me in Botero plaza and a guy tried to grab my cell phone from my hand in Centro. Apart from having a shopping bag stolen while I took a photo in Frankfurt, Germany I have had no bad experiences in any of the forty odd other destinations I have been to.

[John Gault]

One in custody after murder of Twin Cities Hmong American leader Tou Ger Xiong in Colombia.

"he never, ever felt unsafe. It's almost like a second home, he loved it there," his brother said.

By Zoë Jackson December 14,2023 — 3:08 PM.

PROVIDED BY EH XIONG.

Tou Ger Xiong grew up in St. Paul and was valedictorian at Humboldt High School.

Twin Cities activist and comedian Tou Ger Xiong had a passion for travel and frequently visited Colombia for the country's culture, energy and music.

But on Wednesday, a suspect was taken into custody in Medellíand where Xiong, 50, was found dead Monday following a kidnapping for ransom, his brother said.

The well known Hmong American activist, speaker and comedian enjoyed Colombia's lively, free spirited energy and had several friends in the country, said brother Eh Xiong. He'd invited him along to Colombia in the past, and Eh almost traveled to the country with his brother this summer before work interrupted his plans.

"he never, ever felt unsafe. It's almost like a second home; he loved it there," Eh Xiong said.

The two often talked about how some areas outside the USA Could be risky for tourists, Eh Xiong said. Kidnappings of tourists are on the rise in Colombia. The USA State Department classifies the country as a level 3, which encourages Americans to "reconsider travel" due to unrest and kidnappings.

"he was aware of it," Xiong said. "But he's one of those people who only assumes the best in people. ".

Xiong was kidnapped following a date with a woman he met online, according to the Colombian newspaper El Colombiano. A group of men contacted his family demanding a $2,000 ransom — the equivalent of nearly $8 million Colombian pesos — and killed him a day later without collecting the money. His body was found Monday with multiple stab wounds and evidence of blunt force trauma, the newspaper reported.

A friend Xiong was staying with at the time of his death notified the family that an individual who took part in his capture had been taken into custody, Eh Xiong said.

Xiong was credited with shedding light on the Hmong American immigrant experience through comedy and laughter. He was a 2019 Bush Fellow.

The outpouring of support from friends, political leaders and others who say Xiong affected their lives has been a comfort to the family, and especially their mother, Eh said.

Minnesota leaders have express their condolences including Gov. Tim Walz, LT. Gov. Peggy Flanagan and St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter, who said on X (formerly Twitter) that his longtime friend Xiong was one of the funniest and most sincere people he'd ever met.

"A community leader, accomplished storyteller & comedian, the first Hmong rapper, and an absolute karaoke master in any genre of music. His light enlivened everyone around him," Carter wrote.

The family is working with the State Department, Minnesota USA Sens. Amy Klobuchar and Tina Smith and the embassy in Colombia. They hope to repatriate his body to the United States in the next week.

The family will hold a candlelight vigil and establish a scholarship in his name, Eh said.

[FineWine69]

Anyone have any thoughts on this or know any details I can't pick up in the mainstream media? Seems Medellin is getting much more dangerous post covid due to Venezuelan gangs.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/14/news/u...who-lured-him/

[Huacho]

The whole country is generally dangerous, though some areas more than others. I've never been to Barranquilla. Been to MDE, Cartagena, Cali and Bogota and they are all dangerous. Cartagena the safest if you stay in the tourist areas.

The thing with Barranquilla is that, unlike the cities I named, there are very few foreigners. You're sort of on your own, which you may or may not like (Spanish likely a must). Also, guessing it is very hot temperature-wise (like Cartagena).

Latin America in general is dangerous. And the best countries for women -- Brasil, Colombia, and Venezuela, are among the most dangerous, the latter off-limits these days.

I'm contemplating winding down my mongering days while I'm still ahead. I've only had two close calls - one in MDE and one in Rio - over about 70 trips since the late 90s.

Well, at least Shakira is from Barranquilla. And Nabil Crismatt. Plus it's just fun saying Barranquilla. I stick to BOG and MDE because I ain't into all that heat in those other cities.

[Belvaros]

Is barranquilla safer and better than medellin?

On past experience NOOOOOOOOO.

[Combo]

Is barranquilla safer and better than medellin?

The whole country is generally dangerous, though some areas more than others. I've never been to Barranquilla. Been to MDE, Cartagena, Cali and Bogota and they are all dangerous. Cartagena the safest if you stay in the tourist areas.

The thing with Barranquilla is that, unlike the cities I named, there are very few foreigners. You're sort of on your own, which you may or may not like (Spanish likely a must). Also, guessing it is very hot temperature-wise (like Cartagena).

Latin America in general is dangerous. And the best countries for women -- Brasil, Colombia, and Venezuela, are among the most dangerous, the latter off-limits these days.

I'm contemplating winding down my mongering days while I'm still ahead. I've only had two close calls - one in MDE and one in Rio - over about 70 trips since the late 90s.

[Gabacho]

Or finds someone who'd agree to buy her out. I'm sure that's always a possibility. But if her handlers know that you're a foreigner the price is bound to skyrocket. Then again if you know how to bargain and cry poor and show them that you're ready to walk away or just 'not that rich' you might be able to get her for close to her market value and / or get kidnapped in the process.

In fact if you decide not to bother with bargaining and crying poor, and just accept the price it would almost guarantee you getting kidnapped IMHO.

The best thing he can do is just walk away. If he takes your advice and tries to "buy her out" or negotiate with any kind of human trafficking organization he is liable to get himself killed. This kind of shit isn't some fucking monopoly game, haven't you been watching the news lately? People are getting killed for much less. I'm just saying.

[Nrlmus]

Good advice Sir. 'Stealing' from crime organization isn't the way to go.

She's stuck. Maybe unless she'll pay some hefty penalty for cancelling the contract, buying herself out essentially, but even then, there are no guarantees, who's she going to complain to if they just take her money and keep her working.

Or finds someone who'd agree to buy her out. I'm sure that's always a possibility. But if her handlers know that you're a foreigner the price is bound to skyrocket. Then again if you know how to bargain and cry poor and show them that you're ready to walk away or just 'not that rich' you might be able to get her for close to her market value and / or get kidnapped in the process.

In fact if you decide not to bother with bargaining and crying poor, and just accept the price it would almost guarantee you getting kidnapped IMHO.

[JhuaP]

Good day,

As I am circling onto my trip to Colombia, I had a question for the forum. I have been in the scene for a while, but this is my first time using seeking. I am curious to what everyone thinks is a fair price to give girl from Seeking? No all woman are that forthcoming for what they need as for support or an arrangement. What would you give a girl for a couple hours, all night, or even weekly?

Much appreciated.

[DiscoverFL]

What if you had a digital boarding pass on your phone and we're only traveling with a carry-on, then you wouldn't even go to the Avianca customer counter you would go straight thru TSA and onto your gate, then would they ask for your checkmig in that scenario or not?

Yes, what happened in my last Avianca flight in June is that at the gate they announced that if you didn't have a paper with a pen mark, you needed to talk to them. I already had it, but I did notice two guys up at the gate desk furiously filling out the mig form on their phone, so it was clear that they were asking for the mig form at the gate for those that had gone straight through security with their digital boarding pass.