Medellin Reports

[Osteoknot]

What I fail to understand is why any guy (other than perhaps guys from the middle east or China) would pay to watch some nude chick on a webcam. With all of the free porn out there?

When girls want to send me fotos and pics for money, I always decline. I tell them I want the real thing. They seem puzzled. I am puzzled that anyone would pay for those things. Can anyone explain it to me (beyond lack of access for some guys or culture)?

Web camming in interactive; porn is not.

[ColombiaLover]

What I fail to understand is why any guy (other than perhaps guys from the middle east or China) would pay to watch some nude chick on a webcam. With all of the free porn out there?

When girls want to send me fotos and pics for money, I always decline. I tell them I want the real thing. They seem puzzled. I am puzzled that anyone would pay for those things. Can anyone explain it to me (beyond lack of access for some guys or culture)?

Much of what you wrote is dead on, and also absolutely wrong. I've been over this a few times before, so I'll try to keep it short.

I spent most of a year sharing an apartment with a webcam model, who I've now known for 6 years. I spent most of a year working directly for 3 webcam studios. I've met face to face with dozens of webcam girls and several times was in a room with up to 20 of them, including a few of the top webcam models in Colombia. I've had lunch meetings with anywhere from 2 to 6 webcam models. I've talked with studio owners, accountants, model managers, lawyers and international liaisons (one of which decided to become a webcam model). In short, I have some experience.

Most of the models who you are talking about (getting no tips, empty rooms, bored), aren't webcam models. Not yet. Most of them won't be around long, because it takes 6 weeks online 4-6 hours per day, to start making consistent money. It takes another month or more to cover basic living expenses. The girls who jump at the chance to meet are simply hookers that someone convinced to get on webcam. They don't have the patience to see it through. I tried with several prepagos.

So those girls, if you get to meet them, are no different than many of the hookers you can meet through other channels. Just find a girl, talk to her and ask if she's ever been on webcam. Many will say they have.

The webcam models who are making decent money, 4 k or more tokens each day, are more difficult. Meeting you is a risk. The dedicated webcam viewers will freak out if they know the girl met with someone else. I've seen this many times. It ruins the fantasy.

Paying for a webcam model to come see you is a mistake.

Using webcam as any source is a waste of time and money.

That's all for now.

[ColombiaLover]

Spot on with the quote from one of your novias! I had more than one chica ask me the same. At least she gets it. How many prepagos (not saying your novia was one) are on top of their game at 25?

I am also amazed at the sex an 18-21 YO can give. The quality of the BBBJ, the way they beg for CIM. Some say that chicas fuck older gringos only for money. And it is clear that some (many? Do), but I'm 56 and I've had my share of non-pros who seem to enjoy banging me. Maybe because I treat them kindly or because I am exotic to them. And even many of the pros seems to enjoy the sex and don't mind looking at my old ass as long as I'm satisfying them. I guess good oral can go a long way.

One strange thing I've noticed with some of my non-pros lately. They aren't into receiving oral. Whether it is they are embarrassed to have some guys face that close to their snatch. Or they think it's gross. Not sure. Some of they seem to much prefer a vibrator. Maybe they've become addicted to vibrators and think nothing else can do it for them. Also noticed some of these non-pros really jumpy when you even touch there ass hole (not penetrate, just try to rub it). But luckily they are the minority. I just find it strange, especially girls who do not like to receive oral.

You know you are in Medellin when my novia with out a trace of sarcasm and in all seriousness asked me on her twentieth birthday, "Am I getting too old for you?

I posted because I wanted to let you know, that there are young, 18-21 year olds out there who can blow your doors off with their sexual technique. I'm going to say the average age these chicas lose their virginity is 14. The culture is pretty much open to sexuality as being a natural, healthy part of life. Some, obviously not all, of these chicas are born naturals. I've had more than my fair share of first time P4P chicas, and they exhibited a range of experience and comfort level. On the one end I got schooled and shown stuff I sexually never experienced before, in a good way, and I've been around the block once or twice.

[Osteoknot]

I will get this out of the way so I am not thinking about it after I arrive in MDE. Ally, the web cam model, already flaked on me. The first two days I suggested we get together she said she had to work 12 hours shifts. Okay. Then, when I said some time next week, she said she was going to be busy all week, traveling out of town to modeling school, and get this, her boss was "making" her go. WTF. Have to admit, I had not heard that one before, jeje. I can't really see her angle other than I have not been tipping her in her room and maybe I used up her good nature.

I'm glad she told me this far ahead compared to getting ghosted at the last minute. I promised you guys follow-up so here it is. That frees me up from the Internet because there are no more Web cam model prospects for this trip. Don't cry for me Argentina, I mean Colombia, I generally do better without plans. I thanked her for the fun we had on-line. I don't block chicas unless they are psycho or threatening. I delete their chats and stop responding.

Today, I changed my HVAC filter in my crawlspace, replaced a couple of LED bulbs, raked some mulch, did my USPS mail hold on-line, basically home-stretch stuff before boots on the ground Thu afternoon. Ostee Out.

[Knowledge]

What other kind of pricing is there at Gustos?

They probably give you gringo pricing at Gustos LOL I was there last month, ended up taking a pretty 24 year old girl. She asked for 700 kk all night but negotiated to 500 k. Maybe being Hispanic helps me LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

One of the most unusual things was how insecure she is about her body. She is an incredibly gorgeous paisa around 20 years old but she still wants to get a nose job, boob job and butt job. I vehemently told her that her nose and butt are perfect, but she wasn't having it. She says that men in Colombia aren't interested in skinny and dark-skinned girls. It breaks my heart because here is a girl who has dozens or hundreds of subscribers on onlyfans who are constantly telling her how beautiful she is, yet she still feels the need to "upgrade" her body (which I think will be for the worse).

Most women are like that. Instead of rolling with and being satisfied by who likes them, they think ALL people are suposed to like them or it does not mean shit. So, like your girl, they want to transform themselves into what they figure all people like. Which of course we know is not what all people like, especially when it is not natural.

[Osteoknot]

I ended up fucking a bull dyke lesbian. No kissing. No oral.

I respect when someone reports the good and the bad. Just as long as it's not all bad, jajaja. Bull dykes give the best blowjobs, right up there with crack working girls, trannies, and toothless grannies.

The reason I know that about bull dykes is that Catgirl attracts them. She is petite and she gets her fair share of manly women. A few times she has told them to give me a blowjob, which they will do to please her. They were all very strong and forceful, the proverbial chrome off a trailer hitch. Unlike you, I never fucked one, just been sucked, jejeje. Oh, I am sure I have fucked my share of lesbians. We all have. Supposedly the percentage of female muff divers in the P4 P game is quite high. Add on top of that, MDE is considered very lesbo friendly.

[Mechanic88]

So I met up with a Facebook chica and onlyfans model yesterday who insisted that she usually doesn't do the prepago thing. At first I was skeptical but it was very believable due to how awkward she was.

One of the most unusual things was how insecure she is about her body. She is an incredibly gorgeous paisa around 20 years old but she still wants to get a nose job, boob job and butt job. I vehemently told her that her nose and butt are perfect, but she wasn't having it. She says that men in Colombia aren't interested in skinny and dark-skinned girls. It breaks my heart because here is a girl who has dozens or hundreds of subscribers on onlyfans who are constantly telling her how beautiful she is, yet she still feels the need to "upgrade" her body (which I think will be for the worse).

The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.

On the topic of Parque Lleras I never really had much luck there. I'm not into street walkers and the last time I went to Gusto, the girls I talked to were looking for $300 USD. Fuck that!

They probably give you gringo pricing at Gustos LOL I was there last month, ended up taking a pretty 24 year old girl. She asked for 700 kk all night but negotiated to 500 k. Maybe being Hispanic helps me LOL.

[Osteoknot]

The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.

My second wingman is only into middle aged women, 30's, 40's, I think he delves into the lower 50's. He consistently extolls the virtues of these women's sexual techniques because they have experience. I believe him. He is a great wingman for me, because if they are 25, they are getting old, jeje.

You know you are in Medellin when my novia with out a trace of sarcasm and in all seriousness asked me on her twentieth birthday, "Am I getting too old for you?

I posted because I wanted to let you know, that there are young, 18-21 year olds out there who can blow your doors off with their sexual technique. I'm going to say the average age these chicas lose their virginity is 14. The culture is pretty much open to sexuality as being a natural, healthy part of life. Some, obviously not all, of these chicas are born naturals. I've had more than my fair share of first time P4P chicas, and they exhibited a range of experience and comfort level. On the one end I got schooled and shown stuff I sexually never experienced before, in a good way, and I've been around the block once or twice.

[Above Average]

So I met up with a Facebook chica and onlyfans model yesterday who insisted that she usually doesn't do the prepago thing. At first I was skeptical but it was very believable due to how awkward she was.

One of the most unusual things was how insecure she is about her body. She is an incredibly gorgeous paisa around 20 years old but she still wants to get a nose job, boob job and butt job. I vehemently told her that her nose and butt are perfect, but she wasn't having it. She says that men in Colombia aren't interested in skinny and dark-skinned girls. It breaks my heart because here is a girl who has dozens or hundreds of subscribers on onlyfans who are constantly telling her how beautiful she is, yet she still feels the need to "upgrade" her body (which I think will be for the worse).

The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.

On the topic of Parque Lleras I never really had much luck there. I'm not into street walkers and the last time I went to Gusto, the girls I talked to were looking for $300 USD. Fuck that!

[Surfer500]

Last night, my last in Medellin this trip, should have been great, but it ended up being interesting and just okay.

I ended up fucking a bull dyke lesbian. No kissing. No oral. I couldn't touch her. Blah, blah, blah. The body, except for the ass was uninspiring. The sex was just missionary with condom.

I got laid she got paid and it was pretty much a wasted night. They only saving point, she told me repeatedly she's never had sex with a man. That makes 2 of us.

Can't win them all.

That's quite a yarn, almost like a chapter out of a Clive Cussler read! LOL.

If anything, it was a night you will probably remember for quite some time.

I typically try to line things up with a regular to hang with me the night before I depart.

I try to be as Leche depleted as I can before boarding a plane to leave Colombia.

[Osteoknot]

"No, every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different.

Astute comment by that model, would have caused me to stop and pause, too. You have some great insights. I could learn a lot from monger like you. Also, you have writing skills and that comes in handy with Web cam models.

I can tell you're a decent guy too because I believe you may not have considered one of the main angles a lot of these chicas have to, and that is safety. You and I would never hurt one of these girls so it's easy to forget that first and foremost when they agree to meet up with a guy, more or less sight unseen, they are taking a significant risk to their personal safety. Of course, that works both ways but for them I believe it is another barrier that we have to overcome for a successful meeting.

Another contingency they have to factor in is what if you ghost them after they land at the airport, and don't show up? The vast majority of these girls have no extra money and will essentially arrive broke. Is that a chance you would take if you were her?

I was going to PM you a copy and paste of my first ever post here on ISG, but I don't believe you have Messaging. It's a WhatsApp transcript between me and a Web cam model who I talked into leaving her Room and taking a taxi to my hotel, and it's hilarious. I am known to flog a dead horse into dog meat, so I could post it again, it's been well over a year, but it's long. Tell you what, if I seal the deal with the new chicas, either Nymphette and / or Ally, I will repost that transcript as a symbol of success. Deal? Deal. Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On.

[JohnHancock11]

You and I both know it's going to get better for you, much better. I don't want to get all Yin&Yang on you, but the bad experiences make us appreciate the good ones that much more.

You were right of course, we both knew it would get better. It didn't start that way today, but the ending was wonderful.

Spent the first part of the day sleeping in and making supply runs. I was scheduled to have a repeat FB chica over in the afternoon. Then it became evening. Then it became tomorrow. Whatever, it happens. She will still be here tomorrow and she is a lot of fun.

So I threw up the hail mary and a new FB chica I have been talking to came through. She came a few times actually jaja.

She is 18, flaca and oh so cute. Amazing session. Sometimes with the younger ones they are inexperienced and it shows. Not the case tonight. She was a wildly enthusiastic performer. I will absolutely see her again before I leave.

So yes, much better indeed.

[Osteoknot]

She surprised me by saying out loud in English "every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different.

Very astute comment by your cam girl, would've caught me by surprise, too.

Reading people, that's what this is all about and it's easy to see you get it. You wrote some good points that made me stop and think, so thanks for that. You have writing skills, which come in handy on Web cam sites. You got this. I could learn a lot from you.

I was going to PM you a Whassap dialogue from the time I talked a Web cam model into leaving the studio and taking a taxi to my hotel, the first time I was ever in her room. Hilarious stuff. But you don't have PM. That transcript was my very first post here on ISG so it's been awhile, maybe I'll post it again. I am always up to flogging a dead horse into dog meat, jeje. Ostee out and keep on keepin' on. Tell you what. If I get to tag Ally or Nymphette this trip, I will repost that old Whassap dialogue to mark the occasion. Deal? Deal.

[JjBee62]

Asti, thanks for taking the time to write out such an extensive reply. I always appreciate your insight and look forward to reading your posts. Interestingly enough, I hopped in another camgirls room today (I have too much free time) just to try and pick her brain a bit on how studios operate (whether it's typically girls typing or a moderator is translating and telling them what to say, how to react, etc). At one point I wrote something to the extent of "maybe every studio is different" to which she surprised me by saying out loud in English "no every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different. " Definitely caught me off guard but very valid point indeed. Best to keep that in mind in terms of all things Colombia (who is willing to meet up yadda, yadda, yadda) and just remember not to take things too seriously as you mentioned.

Being able to take your time and screen the girl behind a screen is definitely the best part of the cam show experience. I love being able to zoom in on the little blemishes that catch my eye & analyze how a girl reacts to pressure or when she's frustrated (how she reacts to spammers or trolls in the chat). Just general things that may go beyond your head when meeting in-person that can actually still tell you a lot about a person. I think the market of Colombian camgirls is actually saturated to the point that a large majority of their time is spent staring at an inactive chat bored to death due to lack of engagement 85% of the time, so if you tip a little and bring in the slightest stimulation to keep her brain from melting as a result of staring into an inactive chatbox an entire shift, generally she'll appreciate it and be open to engaging conversation. From there it is best to actually get to know the girl and see what she is like, and to be honest it can actually be a lot of fun.

If you really want to go the extra mile, you can also pay for a private session (that way it's only you two in the room) and then move things towards a "cam-to-cam" (c2c) so she can see you're slightly less greasy than she probably had in mind. Could help in building a bit of chemistry, but as you suggested probably no point in doing this if you've already moved things to WhatsApp away from her work social media accounts. I do agree that it's best to do this while you're already in Colombia or at least just prior to a trip or else you are most likely wasting time and effort. Sometimes being a bit spontaneous helps, if you drag things out too long people tend to lose interest. Ultimately, I don't think this should be used as a primary method for hunting either just because the market is already so huge. Seeking Arrangements and Facebook are probably the better way to go for a short trip but if you're immersing yourself to the point of learning the language and building a circle of referrals as you have on a longer stay, making friends via the camgirl sites could be a way to expand that, maybe..

Much of what you wrote is dead on, and also absolutely wrong. I've been over this a few times before, so I'll try to keep it short.

I spent most of a year sharing an apartment with a webcam model, who I've now known for 6 years. I spent most of a year working directly for 3 webcam studios. I've met face to face with dozens of webcam girls and several times was in a room with up to 20 of them, including a few of the top webcam models in Colombia. I've had lunch meetings with anywhere from 2 to 6 webcam models. I've talked with studio owners, accountants, model managers, lawyers and international liaisons (one of which decided to become a webcam model). In short, I have some experience.

Most of the models who you are talking about (getting no tips, empty rooms, bored), aren't webcam models. Not yet. Most of them won't be around long, because it takes 6 weeks online 4-6 hours per day, to start making consistent money. It takes another month or more to cover basic living expenses. The girls who jump at the chance to meet are simply hookers that someone convinced to get on webcam. They don't have the patience to see it through. I tried with several prepagos.

So those girls, if you get to meet them, are no different than many of the hookers you can meet through other channels. Just find a girl, talk to her and ask if she's ever been on webcam. Many will say they have.

The webcam models who are making decent money, 4 k or more tokens each day, are more difficult. Meeting you is a risk. The dedicated webcam viewers will freak out if they know the girl met with someone else. I've seen this many times. It ruins the fantasy.

Paying for a webcam model to come see you is a mistake.

Using webcam as any source is a waste of time and money.

That's all for now.