Medellin Reports

[Manny51]

Well, that IS pretty much why all of us travel to Medellin

By all means enjoy it! Just don't believe it.

[TweedleD]

A woman from another culture that you have difficulty conversing with due to a language barrier instantly falls in love with you at a pick up bar and lets you have all kinds of funky sex after a few hours / days? C'mon man!

Well, that IS pretty much why all of us travel to Medellin

[Manny51]

A Too Short reference and a genius tie-in to the Matrix (which does sum it all up BTW). Well done sir!

Agree. That Matrix scene is a perfect and funny analogy. I'll have to break that out with friends over beers someday!

And by the way, its not to say that giving ANYTHING to girls is "payment." I don't think that anyone means to be THAT reductionist. Small gifts are fine. If you are in the US, small gifts are just part of the dating process. And buying small gifts or taking them out to dinner can make YOU feel good if it makes you feel like a man and fuels the illusion.

I am just saying to not lose perspective. A woman from another culture that you have difficulty conversing with due to a language barrier instantly falls in love with you at a pick up bar and lets you have all kinds of funky sex after a few hours / days? C'mon man!

[TweedleD]

A Too Short reference and a genius tie-in to the Matrix (which does sum it all up BTW). Well done sir!

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM

[Vlg55]

Just to let everyone know, Geraldine, s Facebook page is back up. I just got back from San Jose, now making my plans for Feb MDE trip!

[Chesscat]

This reeks of fantasy.

I know there isn't much info here on the non pro route considering all the different factors needed to make it work. So I tried my hand on it, this is just the beginning of my experience. I've been talking to this non pro girl for about 3 months on whatsapp and we made some good connection. I rented a studio apt from Bbrocs at Parque Lleras, very clean and convenient. Called the girl once I checked into the apt on Saturday and she came around 7pm. She's 25, just graduated from university, cute face, very short stature. We chilled at the apt and I gave her some gifts I promised, Victoria Secret gift set, a great way to girls happy with a quickness. While at the apt, her sister calls to check up on her to make sure everything was fine, so got that cleared up in no time.

We went out to dinner at Woka. This next part is literally straight out of a movie. So I'm eating with her, getting to know her more. She speaks very little English, so I basically spoke Spanish with her. Halfway through dinner, I notice a mansion chica come in with a gringo. I couldn't tell who she was, but after a closer look. It's a girl I've wifed up on my first MDE trip!

She couldn't see us from where we were eating, but I could see them. So my thoughts are let's finish eating and get the heck out! So the non pro girl goes to use the bathroom and I wait for her outside and low and behold. The mansion chica goes to the bathroom as well and obviously recognizes me and says a big Hola! Good thing There isn't much info here about the non pro route, which is understandable considering all the factors the non pro was already inside and once she got out, the coast was clear.

I didn't want to stay in Lleras and possibly get recognized. So she suggested going to her area in Envigado which I've never been. Very decent strip of nice discos and bars and we partied hard. No gringo in sight and being a chino, I stood out pretty easily. It's like she hasn't gone out in months because we both got hammered. Around 3am, we head back to my apt and I don't expect much to happen, just cuddle until she has to leave at 6am so she can get home before her parents wake up. But I'm sure the alcohol relaxed us and after a make out session, she asked if I had any condoms. To which I waited for a second and said Hell Yeah! Got to hit that on the first night, so far so good.

BTW. During the day, I hit up Blue Room. Went with a nice chica, Salome with big natural tits. Talent there was great. 8 chicas, at least 4 were doable. 100K for one hour. Got her name and plan on seeing her outside as well.

[Sexmetv]

Don't play me too close, I won't pimp you too hard as Too Short would say.

I have had a couple of real relationships here, but they are absolutely dwarfed by the number of fake ones. Just think of the scene in "The Matrix" where the bald guy is talking about how he knows the steak on his plate is not real, but it still tastes delicious. That pretty much summarizes this hobby in Colombia, if not the entire world.

A Too Short reference and a genius tie-in to the Matrix (which does sum it all up BTW). Well done sir!

[Razor77]

Yes, and please direct me to where I can bang a sexy 18 year old bareback in three holes for $40-$50 in New York City.

I am in Miami and the only girl you get for 40/50 is a street walker that is cracked out. You must be losing it to think that there are "gems" in NYC! If I can't get a hot Latina here in Miami for 50 then I know it's impossible to get that in NYC. I have been to Colombia many times over the past three years and 50 will get you about an hour or two with a model type Latina. Here in MIA if I wanted a model Cuban Latina I am spending 300-500 por una hora! Screw that! I rather go to Colombia, find a beautiful drop dead gorgeous girl, spend 50 and take every hole she offers for an hour and have her treat me like I am her long lost novio. You need to visit Colombia before you past judgement on how we spend our money.

For those that think a novia is simply in love for love and doesn't ask for money. Yeah right! I had a fiance in Barranquilla for two years. I am young but she was younger. She didn't work because (it's not easy finding a job). Then she got a job, and started fucking her boss. Bye bye chica! $$$ rules most lives in Colombia regardless with how it is obtained. I've learned one thing, love can be found but if you have to invest any type of money or gifts then it is not love. Period! My fiance never asked me for money and never asked for gifts. But when the opportunity arose for a real chance at a job she screwed her way into the job. Now she hates her new jefe / novio and she is stuck working for him if she wants to keep her job. LMAO. Sucks for her but don't crawl back.

Returning to Medellin in Enero for my 37th cumpleanos. Looking to have some serious fun. Since this is my first real official time in Medellin as a single guy I am going to enjoy my two weeks.

[Member #4244]

don't play me too close, i won't pimp you too hard as too short would say.

my only piece of advice is not to "invest." don't give a girl a big chunk up front expecting it to pay off long term in "freebies" or a discounted rate of some sort. square everything up front. i once paid 8, 000, 000 pesos to a girl, but after we went on a 45-day trip where i banged her in the ass raw three or four times a day and with plans (that she actually completed, surprisingly) to do it again for a little over a month on my next break. if you do the math on that, it's a pretty spectacular deal. $50 usd a day for all access, no holes barred sex with a very beautiful girl. you can't get an apartment for that kind of money in some cities, let alone tight little asshole to live inside.

avoid the bullshit of "pay me 'tuition' (or bill or whatever) that's due today and i'll come over and fuck you every day." make sure you pay up front only if you're about to get something right then and there, and if it's a long term deal then either pay in installments or a balloon on the back end once she has held up her end. it sucks to have to think about things this way, but trust me, they already are. only after very strong trust is established do i think this could work, and even then it's iffy. if they have the payoff in hand, they are not going to work their ass for it. knowing that the big pay day (and potentially more) is at stake will keep them on their toes.

this is not some rep001hing indictment of colombians either. there are people like this in every country and in some it is the norm. it's just one's way of being and some cases it's even practical (emphasis on some).

i guess i have a second piece of advice and that is to recognize that latinos and colombians in particular are more "in love with being in love" and more effusive in their language than most (read: all). these girls will jump to "i adore you" in a heartbeat and even if they think they are sincere, it means very little. if i were to say something like that, it would carry some weight and consequence, but surprisingly it does not to them. i am not sure how to articulate this but you will feel it. they will be ready to go to the end of the universe with you, but they will also stand you up without notice the following night.

i have had a couple of real relationships here, but they are absolutely dwarfed by the number of fake ones. just think of the scene in "the matrix" where the bald guy is talking about how he knows the steak on his plate is not real, but it still tastes delicious. that pretty much summarizes this hobby in colombia, if not the entire world.

[Manny51]

In the USA if you do not pay your way, you are out! You are out of your house, your car, and all your pussy. The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja

What's next I wonder? Jaja

Also agree. I don't get all these posts about "freebies" and "non-pros." If you are a visiting foreigner into any punting destination country, than you are punting. Now, I am not saying that true love can't happen, or that casual sex can't happen. But if you think that she is in love with you, chances are that she just plays the role well. That is her profession, and GFE is the coin of the realm. Whether you pay her in cash everytime, or whether she is trading for the possibility of getting out of the country in the future, you ARE paying.

Just read through the forums in any country. They are littered with stories of guys who get taken after buying in hook, line, and sinker. Nothing wrong with having fun. Both parties benefit. Just don't lose your perspective. Its human nature to think that, "well I'm different. That won't happen to me." Unrequited love is sad enough as it is, even without the financial con.

[RiceRocket99]

Saw the non-pro again last night for dinner, but I agree that even though I didn't directly pay her for sex, the money I spent on dinner, drinks, taxi, gifts can add up to more than getting with a mansion / fb chica straight up. But at least I get to connect with her on a personal level and it's not all about sex / business. It was 'actual dating' however you want to define it. It's a whole different experience, but either way, I pay directly or indirectly. Planning a weekend getway at Guatape.

OTOH, I called up the Blue Room chica Salome, out for late night drinks after the non-pro left. Every place pretty much dead on a Monday night, so didn't have many options. I agree MDE doesn't get going until Thursday, so Sun-Wed could be tough in finding decent places to rumba. And usually Sundays / Mondays are recovery days for the chicas with that guayabo (hangover). Anyways, get back to my apt and she gets a bit freaky and watches porn on my laptop for a good 30 minutes. So obviously, that turned me on and unexpectedly, during our session she asks if I want to do anal, which of course I had to oblige. She leaves around 2am and I pay her 100K plus taxi. I didn't even negotiate pricing, but she was happy with it and even wants to see me again later tonight for some Tuesday salsa night somewhere. So I'll see if tonight would be as dead as Monday.

This needs to be pinned to the top of this forum!

I liked RiceRocket's story about netting some nookie from a "non-pro", but it still reminded me of all the hoops you would have to jump through just to get some (dinner, taxi, disco, drinks). Even after all of that, there still wasn't any promise of her giving him any sex at the end of the night. But like Socker said, you end up paying for it one way or the other. All depends on when you decide to pay (before or after).

Dates are usually an upfront investment with no guarantees of anything. If you have the time and patience then by all means go for it. I'm still not sold on the concept of paying ho's a retainer fee (or "tuition") ; especially if I am not there getting my fill and money's worth on a daily basis. All money flows end once I board the airplane back to the US.

[SavePros321]

The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja

This needs to be pinned to the top of this forum!

I liked RiceRocket's story about netting some nookie from a "non-pro", but it still reminded me of all the hoops you would have to jump through just to get some (dinner, taxi, disco, drinks). Even after all of that, there still wasn't any promise of her giving him any sex at the end of the night. But like Socker said, you end up paying for it one way or the other. All depends on when you decide to pay (before or after).

Dates are usually an upfront investment with no guarantees of anything. If you have the time and patience then by all means go for it. I'm still not sold on the concept of paying ho's a retainer fee (or "tuition"); especially if I am not there getting my fill and money's worth on a daily basis. All money flows end once I board the airplane back to the US.

[Member #4287]

To close my opinion out I will say I'm surprised to hear such intelligent guys here stating they are not mongers because of some unusual system of patronage.

What's next I wonder? Jaja

It is almost as entertaining to listen to a prepago try and convince you that she isn't really a sex worker anymore because she has some how made it to the status of "kept woman" who only sleeps with one guy. Conveniently forgetting that she is being paid for the exclusive rights to her pussy.

[Socker]

I understand where you are coming from. The whole reason I started into the P4P scene is because I do not want a full time girlfriend in Colombia anymore while spending more than half my time in the USA

But that is easier said than done. Once you start repeatedly sleeping with your favorites night after night it is hard not to develop feelings for them. Especially when you negotiate a very favorable weekly or monthly rate because they are with you so much of the time and you aren't paying them every day. So it really does seem like she is your girlfriend or live in lover. Some guys go for the girlfriend experience but in Colombia it really doesn't cost that much more to have the wife experience.

Most of the girls that are willing to substantially lower their normal price and sleep with you long term do like you on some level otherwise it wouldn't work out and they often try to lower the cost even more by getting you to pay tuition or rent to have access to her for even longer periods of time.

But the truth is that any chick that requires a certain sum of financial compensation in exchange for sex no matter how trivial it seems based on your personal finances is never really your girlfriend. I have told more than one prepago to quit trying to make me (or any monger) your boyfriend and I would suggest that you stop trying to make these girls something they are not.

If you spend an appreciable amount of time in Colombia it is not hard to find plenty of really nice young women that would sleep with you for nothing if you portrayed yourself as a serious person looking for a serious relationship. Once you find the ones that repeatedly give it up for nothing then start thinking about helping them out if it makes you feel good. They certainly will need the money more and appreciate it more than the chick selling her ass on the side.

In the USA if you do not pay your way, you are out! You are out of your house, your car, and all your pussy. The difference of "monger or not a monger" is when you pay for the pussy. If you pay before or after the deed you're a monger. If you pay some time during the day or night, you're a monger. If you're on this board discussing sex in any and all regards you're a monger. There is no grey area. If you're on these boards to get info, and then travel away from your homeland to enjoy casual sex w / strange women, sorry but, You're a Monger! Jaja

As they say in certain parts of every town,"dems the rules".

I send some of these Colombianas money from time to time and it's unconditional. When I return and see them I will not bring up any gifts, I will pay them the going rate for their time.

We can develop a close tie in this arrangement but they are the ones living their lives in a really terrible economic environment so I don't judge their methods of survival unless it's underhanded.

When I go to the Philippines and watch 20 girls dancing on stage hoping for a customer to take them for a drink so they can sit for 20 minutes, I sometimes fixate on the homely girl dancing on the side in the darker area.

I think wow what a brave little babe to hang in there and give it her best. I am just so impressed by these sights but of course I take the girl that I connect w / in other ways but still there is a lot to respect about the average sex worker.

To close my opinion out I will say I'm surprised to hear such intelligent guys here stating they are not mongers because of some unusual system of patronage.

What's next I wonder? Jaja

[Member #4287]

I've been lucky enough to be able to provide several girls in Medellin with scholarships. I know about their lives, have met their families. And each of their mamas line up to invite me for dinner. All I feel is love from these girls, and their families. Sure, I've had some disappointments. A couple of the girls have not taken advantage of this opportunity, and dropped out of their respective universities. That hurt my heart bad, but no regrets about spending the money; that was my choice and I give with a giving heart.

My point is simply this: It's easier to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Obviously not everyone is in a position to do what I do, nor do they approach life as I do. We all decide to do what we do, and our attitude in our relationships with others. And, it's not all about spending large sums of money. It takes time and an interest in improving a girl's life; it's more than the lowest price for the most desirable service provider for a few hours or a night. Just think about it. Would you rather have passionate sex or passionate sex with intimacy? The choice is each of ours.

Only good energy, amigos.

Oh, and there will be at least one Paisa that will cry when you die, because she knew that you cared about her / them.

I understand where you are coming from. The whole reason I started into the P4P scene is because I do not want a full time girlfriend in Colombia anymore while spending more than half my time in the USA

But that is easier said than done. Once you start repeatedly sleeping with your favorites night after night it is hard not to develop feelings for them. Especially when you negotiate a very favorable weekly or monthly rate because they are with you so much of the time and you aren't paying them every day. So it really does seem like she is your girlfriend or live in lover. Some guys go for the girlfriend experience but in Colombia it really doesn't cost that much more to have the wife experience.

Most of the girls that are willing to substantially lower their normal price and sleep with you long term do like you on some level otherwise it wouldn't work out and they often try to lower the cost even more by getting you to pay tuition or rent to have access to her for even longer periods of time.

But the truth is that any chick that requires a certain sum of financial compensation in exchange for sex no matter how trivial it seems based on your personal finances is never really your girlfriend. I have told more than one prepago to quit trying to make me (or any monger) your boyfriend and I would suggest that you stop trying to make these girls something they are not.

If you spend an appreciable amount of time in Colombia it is not hard to find plenty of really nice young women that would sleep with you for nothing if you portrayed yourself as a serious person looking for a serious relationship. Once you find the ones that repeatedly give it up for nothing then start thinking about helping them out if it makes you feel good. They certainly will need the money more and appreciate it more than the chick selling her ass on the side.