Medellin Reports

[John Clayton]

...What could go wrong? ...

May I humbly add to that? This is an RNA virus, which mutates at an alarming rate. A coupla' three weeks ago, the Republicans were raging against "gain of function" experiments in different virology labs. We are currently participating in a massive, worldwide gain of function experiment, dwarfing anything that ever happened in any lab. The delta variant is not that virulent; however, the epsilon, zeta or the omega could be. The only way we have to get back to normal is to crush the virus to zero.

[Paulie97]

The truth is nobody knows anything yet. Just like they said you can get it easily from surfaces which turned out to be bunk. Only n95 can help you. But wait medical staff are running out so yea, those cloth masks work fine too. Oh BTW we found out it's difficult to get it from surface contact. And on and on. Let people make their own choices on what they put in their body. You got the vaccine so you're safe right? I'm 39,smoke, drink, treat my body like a dumpster and have had colds worse than covid. If you want to be the Guinea pig to a rushed vaccine that would normally take years to be studied and approved then by all means do you, but I'll wait it out.

Do as you wish, but do it based on facts, not myths. The vaccines weren't "rushed." We came with a ten year head start on MRNA studies. We've also developed ways to conduct clinical trials more rapidly, and responses from the public with participation in the same has been huge and unprecedented.

https://www.uab.edu/news/youcanuse/i...vid-19-vaccine

P.S. We do know something about transmission and prevention of the same, through studies and experience as the pandemic has progressed, as is common with science, so to say that "nobody knows anything yet" is simply incorrect.

[MiamiSammy]

No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined, but it sounds like he's going to roll the dice.

I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.

Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if I feel 100% in the morning, and my buddies have no worries. I'll probably consider going out. What could go wrong? Last time I was excited to go out in Medellin, I spent two days and $1800 replacing an iPhone!

Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google!

Nobody got their shot (s) a year ago. They didn't even have one for use until late Fall. What could go wrong? You're stupid ass could transmit to someone's mom or grandma who DOES die of it. Here's to herd immunity and it's accompanying attrition among the 3%ers.

[MiamiSammy]

One of the best posts on this forum. Clear, well said, and straight to the point. Kudos for you.

Mr. E, on many topics you make very reasonable statements. Trust me: your statement above is 100% wrong instead. It is a medical fact, not an opinion. Saying a triangle has 4 sides is not a matter of opinions. It is wrong, period.

Contributing to spreading wrong facts may have serious consequences, because some people may believe it, just because expressed well, then harm themselves and others.

Well said, sir.

[MiamiSammy]

Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.

The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.

There is actually a much more quickly spread, more deadly pandemic associated with COVID. It has reached Black Death level infection in places like the US and Brazil. It's called IGNORANCE. None of this is new science. We've known about quarantining and masks since the 14th Century, if not before. We've eradicated smallpox and nearly eradicated polio, as well as a number of other historically devastating diseases. The only bright side possible among the anti-vax stupidity that pervades a good part of this world is the fact that in the US the only people currently getting sick and dying from COVID are the 30% not vaccinated.

Bottom line? If you have access to the vaccine, GET IT, IDIOT!! Here's hoping other nations follow the lead of the US and others by sending unneeded vaccines to places like Colombia (2. 5 million vaccines delivered from the US to Colombia within the last week) so all of us can benefit from watching a section of the population kick the bucket as a result of their own stupidity. Let's hear it for Charles Darwin!!

[Balboa]

Isn't Argentina pretty great now with the dollar blue exchange rate?

You can get escorts for $10-$20 and top tier ones for $80-$100 pretty much.

Yes, the dollar is very strong in Argentina.

That's the good.

The tough part is, most or all of the PFP has gone underground, ever since the "cleansing" several years back.

This leads to lots of deception, fakes, etc.

I have a go to lady, who helps me find what I want, and she did me right again this trip.

However, I miss the clubs and brothels of the past in BA.

It's a shame really, used to rock!

[Nil Admirari]

This report (something of a longish, but overdue disgorge) follows on (and, I hope, complements) my fairly two recent (also lengthy) posts ("Sex Life of a Geezer" and "An Octogenarian on the Prowl in Medellin" Again, my reporting is based on three extended visits to Medellin, each about a year apart, the latest having just concluded about a month ago. In this post I provide my personal take on the main mongering venues in town: the Mansion, Gustos, the strip clubs, the casas / spas, and two major streetwalker locations—Parque Lleras and El Centro. I hope that this Medellin Magic Mystery Tour will prove helpful to a few prospective first timers and newly arrived mongers--and perhaps of some entertainment value for the more veteran Medellin hands as well. Per my prior post, as an old guy who's only stimulated to get it up a few times a week, I usually am visiting these venues to recruit new candidates for my select, "keeper" rotation of chicas who visit my apartment regularly—rather than as a perpetually horny younger guy, content to secure a satisfactory, one-time lay, and quickly move on to the next. The following survey reflects this perspective.

The Mansion.

For my second visit to Medellin (in early 2020), just out of curiosity (I speak pretty fluent Spanish and already knew my way around the city), I booked the Mansion for several days before moving into the apartment that I had reserved in Laureles. If one can afford it, there is an attractive novelty to staying in what is a combination of a decent, three-star hotel and defacto brothel (albeit, one with independent chicas). And located just off of an up-scale, commercial street, with some quality restaurants, and within (longish but doable) walking distance of the Parque Lleras scene. At least from Thursday through Saturday, I always found a handful of chicas hanging out by the pool from the late morning through afternoon, and from a half dozen to a dozen or more available in the bar during the evening. That said each day I spotted at most one or two girls that I would rate as from the high 7's to an 8 in looks. (See my prior post for how I calibrate such ratings—one man's nine being another man's 7). On arrival, I had one decent chica session for, as I recall, 150 k. Also, on my last night there, I zeroed in on a girl I would rate an 8+, even a low 9 (beautiful pouty, sex-kitten looks and a killer body) who, much against my better judgement, I agreed to pay 250 k–even though I didn't get a positive vibe and it took a prolonged negotiation to get agreement to DFK and BBBJ. (A case of penis erectus overriding one's brain—and it being my last night at the Mansion after having taken a complete pass on the chica selection the two days prior.) In the room, she proved to be a total turn-off—shades of an FDA food inspector, taking out the handy-wipes to clean off my pecker and examine it minutely for disease before deigning to privilege it with her lips.

As others have mentioned, for a first-time visitor to Medellin, especially a non-Spanish speaker, the Mansion, all said and done, is a good bet for those who want to get the lay of the Medellin landscape from the other guys hanging out there (some of whom have been making repeat visits for years and can prove to be interesting company as well—e. G. One morning over breakfast I was somewhat surprised to find that the guy across the table was a law professor from a well-known university who visits the Mansion annually). But recognize that you'll be paying a premium for a decent, but smallish, so-so hotel room. The pool area and bar itself are nothing special in terms of ambiance—yet intimate and cozy in a way that makes it easier to check out (and chat-up) the chicas when compared with the local nightclubs.

Even if you stay elsewhere, you might find it worth your while (e. G. To collect some WhatsApp numbers) to make a visit and fork out the steepish entry-charge (50 k) for non-guests who patronize the bar or pool. But probably best to do so on a Friday or Saturday night.

Gustos.

As suggested by my prior post, Gustos might well be my preferred mongering destination in Medellin if it were not that many, perhaps most all, of the hotter chicas there aspire to operate in the dollar economy. It's the closest thing in Medellin to a popular, disco dance club populated with numerous independent working girls (30 or more on a busy night) available for take-out: usually a couple of 8's by my standard, and several 7's, perhaps somewhat older on average than the girls you'll find in the casas. Once you've paid the entry fee (10,000 pesos? May have gone up to 20 k) and been wrist-banded, no one bugs you to buy drinks—and one can leave, check out the Parque Lleras streetwalker scene just outside (more on that below), and re-enter whenever. Gustos's balcony provides a quiet enough refuge from the mega-decibel music, where one can have a normal conversation with the chica of your choice before deciding on your next move.

I've visited on several occasions, just to window-shop with the hope of obtaining the contact info for a hottie or two, and then later by WhatsApp trying (so far in vain) to obtain a more normal peso rate to visit me during a slow time of the day and week. That said, my visits have been on the early side (10:30 to midnight). Perhaps someone with the stamina to hang out closer to closing time, could negotiate a reasonable, on-the-spot deal with a chica who has had a slow evening up to that point. One night, a woman that I'the chatted up, and who seemed pretty indifferent at the time, sent me an eager WhatsApp at 4 AM promising the moon (the new message ping waking me up from a sound slumber.).

Recently, I did follow up by WhatsApp with one quite sophisticated beauty, a genuine 9 rarity, who responded from a luxury resort in Cancun, Mexico (sexy photo with yachts in the background). For the first time I decided to postpone discussing price till the lady (when back in Medellin) came to my place, on the bet that she might be more inclined to agree on a reasonable rate once she'the invested the effort to visit me. However, after some flirtatious back and forth on WhatsApp, confirming GFE, and setting a date for a get-together, she emailed me "Tú vas a pagarme 300 dolares? And stuck to it. So much for that. But I haven't given up, and most likely will try the Gustos scene again on my return to Medellin.

The Strip Clubs.

Although I don't particularly enjoy hanging out in these clip joints, they do lend themselves to trolling for new talent—be it by spotting a standout on the strip pole runway, by chatting over a drink, by enjoying a lap dance, or by springing for a FS "trial-run" session on the premises. I met three of my latest "Keeper" rotation at strip clubs, two at Luna Lunera and one at Conejitos in El Centro. If I'm inclined to session in the club, and just feeling cheap, I find that I can, first, have a leisurely chat with a targeted lady without buying her a drink by saying that I'd rather give her a generous propina (tip) if we have "buena química / trato de novia (GFE) en la cama".

At present the two priciest clubs (La Isla and Fase II), offer by far the largest and best quality chica selection (20 to 30 or so at prime times; almost always a few 8's; occasionally a 9), though sometimes I've left each of these clubs without having spotted any babe worth approaching. I've had a couple of quite good sessions at La Isla (300 k for 40 minutes if I recall) but no luck in negotiating acceptable terms for a follow-up visit to my place. (Disclosure: I'm on the short side, and generally will take a pass on the gorgeous (5'10 and over) amazon. So I may well be overlooking a number of otherwise, super-hot chicks as a result—and somewhat underestimating the prevalence of 8's and 9's.)

Two downsides of all the clubs for me: the music level poses a challenge to having a decent conversation (especially for a somewhat hearing-impaired geezer like myself), and, depending on the room configuration and the inclination of the girls to circulate, I find there's some difficulty of getting a good look at all the talent. In similar clubs in Mexico, Costa Rica, El Salvador, and Mexico, a waiter will arrange a casa style line-up at your table, and / or, every half-hour or so, all the chicas will be herded onto stage center for a gyrating dance number intended to encourage the customers to each make a selection. I imagine that in the Medellin clubs one could request a personal line-up review, but I've never had one volunteered and I've never asked for or witnessed one. The waiters do, of course, offer to bring individual chicas to your table (or, without being asked, will shepherd one or two girls over for your perusal). And, in some clubs, at least a number of the girls will wander from table to table to try to gin up business. But as often as not, many stay seated on the far side of the room or in darkened corners of the club where it's hard to inspect the goods.

I will sometimes meander about the premises to get a closer look at the ladies, but (except when a trip to the men's room provides a pretext for such a tour) one often feels self-conscious roaming around given that the other male clients all remain rooted to their tables. Interestingly, La Isla on a busy night (with large table groupings mingling and dancing in the aisles), lends itself better than the other clubs to circling the room inconspicuously and surveying from close up all the ladies available. As an anecdotal aside: on two evenings at La Isla during curfew-free, late February / early March, I witnessed several high-rollers (sad to say, fellow USA gringos) standing on a table and sprinkling dozens of peso notes in the air as a swarm of working-girls crawled after them on the floor—a truly cringe-worthy scene.

The two major, mid-level clubs (Luna Lunera, nd Grill San Diego) have cut their floor areas by more than half (compared to when I visited them in early 2020, pre-pandemic days). Each had a relatively small selection (8 to 15 chicas) on my visits this year (when they still remained open late evenings prior to the April curfews). In the case of San Diego, if one decides to bed one of the girls, one now has to take a taxi to an apartment several blocks away rather than sessioning on the premises. Half-hour to one-hour sessions are a good deal cheaper at these two clubs when compared with Fase II and La Isla (at Luna Lunera I paid 170 for half an hour). However, they are just about as expensive as the larger, and tonier clubs if one only wants to hang out and perhaps buy a copa or two for the ladies. Grill San Diego, to my annoyance, in addition to an entry charge, insists that you fork out 30 k pesos for a three-beer minimum. At both the high and mid-level strip clubs, some girls have been unwilling to provide DFK / BBBJ even for an up charge or tip; others have agreed for 50 k, but have given me the impression that doing so is frowned upon by the management.

One can also make the rounds of a number of smaller and seedier strip joints in El Centro including (from West to East), Taberna Hilton, Grill Occidental, Conejitos (Playmates Bar Show), and, the. Side-by-side, Clubs Maracaibo, and Barre Ejecutiva. As I recall, there's no entry charge at any of the above and drinks (including copas for the ladies) are quite cheap. All have had at least some chica selection when I've dropped in late afternoons, Conjitos being the most populated and by far the liveliest. With the exception of meeting my Venezuelan "keeper" at Conejitos (a one-time fluke? Or the promise of other hidden gems just waiting to be found? I personally have never been super turned on by any of the chicas in these El Centro clubs. (In early 2020 I paid my Venezuelan 80 k for a half hour, test -drive in an upstairs room, plus a propina for BBBJ) I've felt comfortable visiting Conejitos at night if dropped off by taxi at the door. A year or so ago I recall walking late after dark a few deserted blocks from there to Club Maracaibo / Barre Ejecutiva and back again, but, based on the more recent BM advise on this thread, I might abstain from doing so in the future.

In all the clubs, be they up-scale or low-brow, the strippers circulate for tips after performing, so be prepared with a goodly supply of small (1 or 2 k) bills. (To my amusement, on a couple of occasions at Fase II when I've paid for the entry fee or a beer with a 50 k bill, I've received my change in the form of a thick wad of 2,000 pesos notes—the management's not so subtle encouragement for one to take care of the help.) Some of the clubs have unmetered cars available if you don't want to wait for an Uber or Didi when heading home, but be sure you know the normal taxi rate for your trip and agree up front on the price.

Parque Lleras Street Walkers.

Whenever I happen to visit Gustos or to be in Poblado late afternoon or evening for some other reason, I check out the Parque Lleras street walking talent—mostly concentrated on the west side of the park, just across the road from the Gustos entrance —though some occasionally I've found working girls on the benches of the park's interior, on the downhill side of the park, and on the side-street leading to Calle 10. Usually only a few if any working girls will appear before 9 or 10 PM. As noted in my prior post, I did find Stefani, now one of my rotating "keepers", strolling park-side: a euro-looking, honey blond, by far the best-looking woman I've seen plying her trade on the street in Medellin. Another street walker whom I had approached a few minutes before spotting Stefani, had asked for $200 USD. And wouldn't budge. Still stunned by sticker shock, when Stefani only requested 200 k pesos with no upcharge for DFK / BBBJ, I accepted even though I normally would have bargained for 150. Caddy-corner to Gustos on the south side of the park is a usually crowded disco with seemingly much younger chicas than those that pay the cover to enter Gustos, many hanging around outside the entrance as well. I don't think there are many (if any) working girls there, but a younger guy with some game and passable Spanish might score.

The Casas and Spas.

Once or twice monthly, I like to make the rounds of the large concentration of bargain-basement casas located to the east and north-east of Plaza Botero and Parque Bolivar and a 10 to 15 minute walk east / south-east of the Prado Metro. I usually schedule my forays for late morning, with the expectation that each establishment's full complement of chicas will have shown up by then and still be feeling relatively fresh, while the peak-hour for clients likely occurs from lunch-time onward.

This spring I also made a couple of visits, each, to two of the more upscale spas convenient to my apartment in Laureles—Spa Fantasias Energy (a short walk from the Estadio Metro and across to the far side of the Unidad Deportiva (Sports Complex) Atanasio Giraudot, and Eros Spa (anshort taxi drive away). Back in early 2020 I also checked out (several times each) two smaller casas each within just two blocks of the San Peter Apartments (one on Calle 42 and the other on Carrera 70 A). At the time, I took a pass on the chica selection and I think they have since both closed.

For comprehensive listings of the casa / spa options, it's worth reposting Mojo Bandit's recent reminder that "there is a thread that can be found in the User Blog section of the Colombia Forum that is called "Medellin Map and List" and within this forum are two great tools the "Medellin Map" and the "Medellin Chica List". Also, the "adultsearch" website provides a pretty comprehensive "erotic massage parlor" listing (see: https://colombia.adultsearch.com/med...massage-parlor).

Here is my take on take on some of the variables to consider when compiling your personal short-list of best-bet, Medellin casas:

Chica Selection—Quantity and Quality.

By my somewhat tough grading scale (again, see my prior post), with only one exception, I've never found a beauty rating a 9, let alone a ten, at any of the spas including two visits to Loutrons. The one exception, back in early 2020, a very personable, Julie Christie look-alike blond at Fantasias Energy who, sad to say, adamantly refused to offer BBBJ or DFK, despite a generous propina offer. I still have lingering regrets at having taken a pass. I've found Fantasias Energy to be the most reliable casa in terms of size and quality of lineup, with Spa Eros not too far behind. During my two (one year-apart) visits to Loutrons, only three or four chicas were working, all 7's or 8's, albeit seemingly in their late 20's.

On the other hand, at any of the casas with a decent sized line-up the day of your visit (say eight or more working girls) there is a good shot (but no guarantee) of finding an 8 or two, and almost for sure a seven who radiates some genuine good nature, latina vitality and sexuality, with the promise of an enjoyable romp in the sack. When checking out the casa circuit just east / northeast of El Centro, I always start at New Life, since it offers by far the largest chica selection (often a dozen or more)—but I've either left immediately on finding it too crowded with other guys (even at 10:30 AM), or I simply haven't found anyone in the line-up to my taste. However, after striking out at New Life, I've had good GFE sex with chicas at several nearby casas (Dulce Compañias, Club Amigas Sexy, and Zandalay--where I found one addition to my visiting, keeper rotation this year). Aiffe, just a block and a half from New Life, during my two recent visits, had a half-dozen or more working girls, but none rating more than a 5 to 6 at best.

On the other hand, I can recall at least two times during my stay this year of having visited most all of the above casas during a single day, and not finding anyone to my "keeper" potential liking to take to a room for a test drive. NOTE: When I toured the New Life to Zandalay circuit in March / early April, casas Divini, Safari, Bar Celona de Masajes, Case de Piedra (Linda Chicas) all were padlocked; Pamelas, where I had some good sex in 2020, has closed altogether (or moved, perhaps).

Pricing, Including Upcharges.

In the lower-end casas, pricing typically ranges from about 50 k for a half-hour to 90 k for an hour. Eros, at 70 k per hour, something of a bargain, given its somewhat more upscale location and chica quality. Fantasias Energy's pricing (140 k / hour) is comparable to that of Luna Lunera / Grill San Diego, Loutron's pricing is comparable to Las Islas / Fase Dos (300 k plus).

Two of the casas I've visited have their price lists posted on a wall-New Life in the reception area, and Eros Spa, in the room, with the list including up-charges for extras such as BBBC for 30 k and, surprisingly, for anal as well. At even some of the bargain casas (e. G. Zandalay's) I've been quoted seemingly fixed-by the house upcharges of 50 k each for BBBJ and DFK, more than doubling the base session cost. At Fantasias Energy, the same. However, at other casas (Amigas Sexy and Dulce Campañia) chicas have delivered GFE (including "sexo sin condóm") for the promise of an unspecified, but generous propina, and have been happy with 20 or 30 k—and perhaps would have provide the same GFE service without any tip having been offered. During my two Loutron visits I walked out on finding that my chosen chica refused DFK / BBBJ on any terms—perhaps per a strict house policy.

Mode of Presentation—a variable which may matter to some mongers.

The casas have two styles of presenting their chica selection to clients. In most, the ladies are paraded out one at a time for your inspection, either all queued up in the viewing area or each waiting out of sight for her turn to twirl in front of you and flash some boob for your inspection.

With ten or more chicas in the line-up, you have to pay attention to remember the name of your favorite, especially if you find yourself changing your mind several times as the parade progresses. At Spa Fantasias Energy, the chicas sport matching chemises, and, as an aid to aging memories, each girl has a large number sewn onto her outfit—a practice I recall New Life as having begun as well.

At some others (notably Eros Spa) the ladies are crowded before you all together at the same time, so you have to make your selection while the ones that you have rejected look on, a procedure I find to be somewhat awkward (flash back to teen-age memories of how we used to choose teams for pick-up basketball).

At Loutrons and Fantasias Energy you are seated in a private viewing area; New Life has a few semi-private booths as part of the entry seating area. In all the other casas you view the chicas and make your selection in a common reception room. I only will session with chicas after having the chance to chat, both to confirm a sympathetic vibe and the availability of threshold GFE (by my definition, to include DFK and BBBJ). I've always found that the casa's mamasan (or maître de) will always let me interview my selected chica someplace reasonably private before agreeing to take her to a room. If you decide to leave without booking a session, many, if most casas, have a modest (5 k) viewing charge if you haven't purchased a drink.

Amenities and cleanliness.

As mentioned by another poster recently, most all the casas, including those at the lowest end, are reasonably clean (including towels, sheets, showers—some surprisingly hot ones in joints where you'the least expect it)—compared with what you may have experienced in other Latin American countries. New Life and Eros Spa actually require that you to take a shower at the beginning of the session. Of the casas on the east / northeast of El Centro circuit, New Life and Zandalay have the best physical set ups, albeit still fairly barebones. (As I recall, at Zandlay. A large aquarium graces its reception area.) Most lack music in the rooms (for me a negative--I often enjoy launching a chica session by having her dance for my pleasure and twerk on my lap.) Unlike most Love Motels, as far as I can recall, none of the casa rooms have TVs with porn channels. Fantasias Energy occupies a nicely furnished townhouse on prosperous commercial strip; Eros Spa can be found on the third floor of a modern, mid-rise building with a security guard at ground level. Loutron (located in a mansion well to the southeast of Poblado, by some reports, a former farm house once owned by Pablo Escobar), even if outside your price range preference, may be worth one visit, if only to check-out t (to the best of my knowledge) the one casa in Medellin with more of the feel of a truly, upscale brothel.

El Centro Streetwalker And Bar Scene.

More or less once, every two or three weeks during my Medellin stays, I have visited el Centro in mid to late afternoon, usually making at least a couple of tours that combine a loop around the Vera Cruz church block, a saunter back through Plaza Botero itself, and then a lap on the north side of DeGreiff / Raudaul—most often interspersed with a beer or Gatorade in Conejitos. I've chatted up a few streetwalkers while making these rounds, but have yet to pull the trigger--or spotted any no-doubt-about-it, potential "keeper" material. (I can visualize the hardcore El Centro rats rolling their eyes as they read this.) A couple of times I've spotted a quite, one-time-doable young lady by my standards, but have passed on the hopes of spotting someone more tempting, and then, on quickly doubling back have found that my choice has already taken off with another client. You definitely have to be prepared to strike fast with any relatively attractive girl who strikes your fancy.

In addition to Plaza Botero itself, the best-looking prospects that I've spotted in El Centro have been hanging out right at the NW corner of Calle 51 and Carrera 53, (aka Avenida Cundunamarca; a mystery why that corner in particular), and, especially, in two of the larger bars on the left side of the block of Carrera 53 just north of DeGreiff and the Taberna Hilton club. These bars are open to the street thereby giving you a pretty good view of the chicas and patrons inside—during my latest tours usually up to 15 or so quite young (some underage?) looking girls and only two or three male customers. By contrast, I've found only a bottom-of-the barrel chica selection in the other bars on DeGrieff and side blocks to the north (including Taberna Hilton, itself, as well as Grill Ocidental. And Taberna Victoria). Behind the Veracruz Church, the block on Carrera 53 between Calles 51 and 52 (to me the true El Centro ground zero) has a much raunchier feel, both on its jostling with low-life side-walks, and in the elbow-to-elbow, hole-in-the wall bars, each with a high ratio of male drinkers to putas (generally looking much the worse for wear than in the Raadaul area).

Overall, I haven't given up on finding the hidden gems that others on this thread claim to have snatched from the mean streets of El Centro (especially while the large infusions of Vennie refugees continue to refresh the ranks)–and, from time to time, just enjoy the titillating (sex-is-in-the-air) seediness of the bar / streetwalker scene itself.

A Final Note on Short-term Hotels and Love Motels.

In Medellin I've never used any of the love motels typical of most Latin American Cities, (which cater especially to the many young adults still living at home and needing a discrete place to tryst with their novias), but many options can be found by a quick Google search. Other BM posters have recommended a number of short-term hotels in El Centro (typically about 15 k for a room). When the San Peter Apartments refused to accept my Venezuelan's ID ("cedula" she and I tried out three or so hotels just a block or two away that had no trouble with her document and rented out quite decent (hot showers, stereo music, porn TV), but quite cramped rooms for 30 k short-term (in Spanish, "habitación occasional" o "a corto plazo" We later settled on the Hotel Golden Suites, a ten minute walk away on Avenida Nutibara which offers quite generous sized rooms, also 30 k for up to 3 hours (with a discount card that I requested after each visit).

This concludes my brain-dump of a high-road / low-road tour of the varied mongering venues in Medellin. For any newcomer who's had the patience to wade through the above verbiage, I hope that you found some info of help in leading you to your own Paisa Pussy-Promised Land, no matter how you may personally rock and roll.

[Nil Admirari]

One of the best posts on this forum. Clear, well said, and straight to the point. Kudos for you.

I agree with Black Page. Compliments to Rextor for a post that stands out for its saneness, tone, and clarity.

[Osteoknot]

I got a couple of E-mails asking me what I meant about scoring with chicas (of course, always at least 18 yo) who had "daddy complexes. " At first I thought the E-mails were being sarcastic, which I always appreciate, but apparently the questions were genuine. As the saying goes, for every one person who asks a question like that, there are ten more who want to know the same thing but are too preoccupied to write.

Jung, who was a giant in the field of psychiatry, probably only second to Freud, coined the phrase Electra Complex for a daughter sexually attracted to her father. I modified this phrase to Electra Complex in Absentia, to account for the large percentage of girls who were raised in a home without a stable father figure. The theory is that subconsciously those girls are yearning for paternal love and approval that they did not get growing up. Once they are old enough to act out, they will subconsciously fulfill that need by having sex with someone old enough to be their father. That is what I meant by there being two kinds of girls in the world, those who like older men, and those who don't. And being half-way home when a girl I just met describes a broken home without a father figure. Next time you are with a adult girl young enough to be your daughter or younger, and you get the feeling she is into you more than you would expect, ask her about here dad. Donuts to dollars, he wasn't around.

The course of events is fairly predictable with a girl like this. Early trip to the bedroom, then nothing in common to talk about the next morning, and the relationship quickly fizzles out due to boredom on both sides, and her realization that is nothing too special about you other than you like pussy. Ostee Out.

[PhilLanderr]

Wasn't sure where to drop this post. Staying at Energy and wondering if anyone that's stayed here has used the COVID test tent right across the street for US travel requirements. Seems awfully convenient if yes.

[Black Page]

Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.
The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.

One of the best posts on this forum. Clear, well said, and straight to the point. Kudos for you.

If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side.

Mr. E, on many topics you make very reasonable statements. Trust me: your statement above is 100% wrong instead. It is a medical fact, not an opinion. Saying a triangle has 4 sides is not a matter of opinions. It is wrong, period.

Contributing to spreading wrong facts may have serious consequences, because some people may believe it, just because expressed well, then harm themselves and others.

[Just Incognito]

Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.

But if you are vaccinated your ability to transmit the virus is reduced greatly!

Vaccinated people are part of the solution. Non-vaccinated people, right now, are the problem.

Just accept that, own it, and make whatever decision you make knowing that. Its an undeniable fact. And its people's right to be part of the problem since the vaccines aren't mandated.

My hope: All nations and airlines / ships / public transports will only allow properly vaccinated people to pass through their borders or get on their planes / trains / mode of transport. The exceptions only being: provably recently recovered cases or people who can somehow prove immunity to covid-19.

I have been to places where a yellow fever vaccine was mandated or I could not enter. Same should be with covid at all border crossings and public gatherings of more than 50 people.

You have a right not to be vaccinated, and govts. Should have the right to exclude you from public gatherings if you choose to not be vaccinated IMO.

Also, If the US just took 5% of it military budget for 1 year and shifted it to vaccine production and development--the whole planet could probably be vaccinated with a year or 2--and the USA would have a lot more peace if it did this.

Okay, back to chicas: I've had 2 of my Medellin girls ask if they could come stay with me for the next 3 months or so just so they could get vaccinated! True story. 1 chick said if I paid for her flight and supported her where I live for 3 months (how long you have to be where I am to be fully vaccinated) she would arrive with std papers showing she was clean (and I would have to show her my tests) and we could be barebacking anything goes the whole time she is with me.

All she wants: I pay for her expenses, she gets vaccinated-so I help her through the system I am in, and I give her 1000 dollars total for the 3 months--she asked this just so she could pay her bills and help her family while she is gone. Its basically 10 bucks a day plus a 400 dollar flight and I get a hot 28 year old, no kid, gorgeous blond paisa in my bed for 3 months. Yet, I am debating it because it would be hard to hide that from my community and could create other potential dramas, or go sour. Plus, if I want to go somewhere in the next 3 months--I will be locked in with her here. This story gives an example of how desperate and desirous to get vaccinated many Colombianas are. Tis girl just wants to get away from Colombia for some time and have a vacation as well. I may pull the trigger--we are still deciding.

[Just Incognito]

Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.

The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.

Yes, exactly!

I think of getting vaccinated as the same as volunteering to go to war after Pearl Harbor. True patriots went, took a risk, and stood up to a very bad thing for the sake of their country and the world. Other people stayed home, cowered, complained and did nothing to help win WW2.

People getting vaccinated are patriots standing up, taking a small risk, for the greater good. People refusing the vaccine: the selfish ones who stay home and let other people fight the bad guys for them--while pretending they are doing so because they somehow know more than the top scientists who have dedicated their lives to this stuff.

I have had a couple of my Medellin girls comment at how pissed off / frustrated they are that they are desperate for the vaccine--but can't get it, while a bunch of idiot armchair experts with no real knowledge or training refuse to be part of the solution by refusing the vaccine. If you ever wonder why there is so much animosity against America from around the world--even though America, on the whole, does more good than anyone, politicizing the pandemic and refusing the vaccines based on nothing but nonsensical conjecture is a reason why. Too many selfish Americans who just don't understand that we get vaccinated not just for ourselves--but to reduce transmission rates for everyone.

[Lucky Nuts]

I'm a cheap bastard. Prices in Colombia seem very low though.

Any recommendations for someone who wants to date normal women (non p4p) and wants options for cheap sex to supplement normal dating?

The best option for cheap sex imo are the casas in el centro. During the daytime hours it's quite safe to visit these places. New Life, Chicas Amigas and Zandaly are all within a few blocks of each other and all are inexpensive. Visit often to find the hot chicas that work one day per week or maybe even less.

[Rextor]

Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.

Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.

The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.